100% aussie built ebay

[NavyDiver]

Hired a great hard floor camper from Barnsdale from Action Off road campers (http://www.actionoffroadcampers.com.au/index.php) it was outstanding for a run with the kids into Wonangatta:) great value too even for longer term trips I think.

The trailer was great, thought of grabbing one but the 30K scared me off a bit. e-bay looked too cheap to be true and major questions if it might survivie an off road trip. For about 5k and my 70y.o parents wanting to join the grey nomads traveling north I bit the bullet and brought one from Pro-camping trailer ( mars camper or A&S powersellers) The trailer looks fine. The price looks fine. The advertising it was 100% aussie built sold it and it is down stairs. VIN number was a giveaway it is fully imported:mad: I am not against imports- we drive one right:D. Department of transport in Canberra was able to confirm it was fully imported. Consumer affairs Vic are having a look at it. Not a bad trailer or tent, not a bad price just very questionable claims about the country of manufacture.

[Michael2]

A mate went to the caravan & camping show, then started to research the camper trailers on-line. One of the H/Duty $30K "Aussie Built" units was available from China - same name, @$6,500 with a minimum order of 3. The Chinese ads used the same photos as the aussie supplier.

2 options here (1) they're a ripp-off copy or (2) they're designed here and manufactured O/S.

He had a look at one of the "cheap" imported hardfloor campers available locally, and reported poor quality welds, mainly just spot welding, even on the suspension. He "punched" the bottom of the floor on one and the welds broke and the floor lifted up.

[VladTepes]

Ya get what you pay for USUALLY.

[Hymie]

Yep Vlad, Oats are cheaper if you run them through a horse first.

[NavyDiver]

Rusting-in a few week It is a ebay soft floor trailer camper from Pro-camping trailer ( mars camper or A&S powersellers) It is going back to them the hard way via the courts. It has rust coming out all over after a few weeks outside only:mad:. Fully galvanised over rusty unprepared metal is my and the next door neighbour (a retired engineer with expertise in galvanising.


You do get what you pay for. A hard floor version from another ebay seller has got from Melbourne to Darwin with no issues and the 70 year olds towing it are raving about the quick set up and pull down time.

I will keep the hard floor and give it a few off road tests assuming I the grey nomads bring it back as they are having too much fun with it.

[bee utey]

Just found your trailer on ebay, it says "100% built by Aussie". Does that mean there is a Chinese camping goods company called "Aussie"? Or did Sun Yoo Ching change his name by deed poll? After that it says "assembled in Australia". This slight misdirection may be what they do to fool the customers. I'd say they were very careful NOT to say "made in Australia".:mad:

[uniquebdz]

Hi,

I was wondering which hard floor camper you purcahsed i am looking at one for my parents.

regards

unqiuebdz

[NavyDiver]

Hi,

I was wondering which hard floor camper you purcahsed i am looking at one for my parents.

regards

unqiuebdz

hard floor is from m2cptyltd (http://shop.ebay.com.au/m2cptyltd/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562). They assured me it is 100% imported:D it is still of with the grey nomads- aka MUM and DAD :D. they are loving it and with any luck I might even see it again in a few months:o, they are well into thier 70s and say they have set up and pull down down to about 5 minutes for almost everything. The owner of m2cptyltd is ex army (chinese) and a very helpful chap.

Many of the ebay sellers are selling excatly the same trailers hard and softfloor. The gents at MARS/Pro-camping trailers are not recommended:mad: MARS/Pro-camping trailers softfloor camper has lots more rust showing now. when they get it back it might be even worse. Consumer affairs Vic is looking at it for me. VCAT would be used except the staff and Consumer affairs Vic stated that they felt they would be able to fix this- Get a refund for me:D

[NavyDiver]

Mum and dad AKA the Grey Nomads brought my hard floor hard floor trailer back (from m2cptyltd (http://shop.ebay.com.au/m2cptyltd/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562).) It made it to Darwin and about with no problems reported except hitch hikers- mouse plague in central Oz!:D At least one ended up in thier car as well.

Still waiting on Consumer affairs Vic to sort out my issue with the softfloor from mars campers. Little more rust showing on it.

Now I have mine back I get to try it myself soon. The nomads had so much fun they have threatened to take it way again soon.

[tomisawesome]

What was the solution with this mate? My uncle has just purchased a MARS camper, they don't look too bad from what i have seen of them....

[scott oz]

Weakestlink

Thanks for the heads up on the Mars. Are you saying the hard floor van is holding up. In terms of the welds are they spot? Importantly how is it holding up with the rust. I'm looking to buy a unit and the price of these units is more than competitive.


How do you think it would handle the Kimberley’s'.

[NavyDiver]

Weakestlink

Thanks for the heads up on the Mars. Are you saying the hard floor van is holding up. In terms of the welds are they spot? Importantly how is it holding up with the rust. I'm looking to buy a unit and the price of these units is more than competitive.


How do you think it would handle the Kimberley’s'.

Hard floor is back from Darwin with only minor issue being the kitchen draw lock broke and the gas strust broke of the lid of the box on front= metal is too light! . About $20 and 20 minutes to fix the lock and i have welded a bit of metal to reattach the struts. I think it would handle the Kimberleys well. you might be tempted to toss a new pair of shock absorbers in but that is just a guess on the one on it still looking fine. The 70 year old had no trouble settting up or pulling it down and want to borrow it again soon:)

The Softfloor has more rust and in now going to VCAT to get a refund :D Consumer affairs Vic suggested about 5 other softfloor trailers are at VCAT for the same reason.

[NavyDiver]

What was the solution with this mate? My uncle has just purchased a MARS camper, they don't look too bad from what i have seen of them....

They MARS - look great- the issues with mine are the non sealed top, weld is way out of place and the 100% aussie built and the pain of the set up. The camper is a good price, if not taking it off road, your prepared to gamble that the metal preperation pre galvanising was a LOT better than mine or you camp indoors then it could be a bargin :eek: Be interested if your uncle can find a few issues, as per my other post a lot of them are going back- with a very skinny profit margin I wonder if the company will handling very well. About 5 online sellers are selling the same trailer with just a few options diferent. You might be lucky. If VCAT doesn't order them to take mine back it will be for sale but I would feel bad for the person who brought it:(

[NavyDiver]

Hard floor is back from Darwin with only minor issue being the kitchen draw lock broke and the gas strust broke of the lid of the box on front= metal is too light! . About $20 and 20 minutes to fix the lock and i have welded a bit of metal to reattach the struts. I think it would handle the Kimberleys well. you might be tempted to toss a new pair of shock absorbers in but that is just a guess on the one on it still looking fine. The 70 year old had no trouble settting up or pulling it down and want to borrow it again soon:)

The Softfloor has more rust and in now going to VCAT to get a refund :D Consumer affairs Vic suggested about 5 other softfloor trailers are at VCAT for the same reason.

The hard floor did darwin via blackstuff and now Oonadatta track with easy. The issues
Exposed wiring on water pump got ripped off as did one of the hoses (time only fix)
Jockey wheel- Cheap and nasty- needed a better quality one ( about $60) Replace it if you value your feet!
Box Hinge pin on the box fell out somewhere, ($10 and 30 minutes to replace hinge)
Water tank has a breather hole top front RHS. It is just a hole! Put the trailer on a 30 degree angle RHS side down and I can drain 70% of the water out. I am taking tank off to add a snorkel to the breather hole, re-plumb it and put a drain bung to allow me to easily empty the tank.
Electrical bits I have already added were a battery, sine wave inverter, anderson plug to the car to charge the battery while driving. I am going to add battery monitor, fixed LED lighting, 240 volt inlet hooked to a charger for the battery. The water pump has a pressure switch which works but I will add a isolator switch to stop it turning on from time to time as the pressure drops off – wakes me up!


Tent up it easily handled 120kph wind gust at Wilpena Pound and at least a dump of 4 inches of rain over night with only one minor wet patch.
Trailer is in good shape after 1000 plus km of dirt roads and at least 350km of off road bits and over 10,000km travelled to date.
Product Range> (http://www.stayputfasteners.com.au/range.html#Vertical) will be added to secure the canvas to the trailer when up. The little bit of water came in when a flap which should be outside diverting water off the trailer blew in and allowed water to pool in side. Easy fix and will make the tent first rate. Boat Winch could be better but I lift it so not an issue for me. I might add a bit more lift to the springs or bigger rims/tires before I take it into my favourite 4wd trip in the Victorian High country over summer. Yet to see how well it swims:)



Over all- very cheap hardfloor camper trailer option which looks like it will survive off road. Needs some modifications which I am happy to do. It is not perfect but neither am I.

[turps]

Just wondering how your hardfloor camper is going.
I was wondering if it was something like this from ebay-
7x5ft Off Road Hard Floor Camper Trailer wit 15x13ft Tent caravan 4X4 4WD CTHH01 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/7x5ft-Off-Road-Hard-Floor-Camper-Trailer-wit-15x13ft-Tent-caravan-4X4-4WD-CTHH01-/130628153819?pt=AU_Caravans_RVs&hash=item1e6a0b71db)

As I am thinking of getting one.
Want be used for much off-road. But may make a trip or two to the high country. So not leaking would be nice.

[NavyDiver]

Just wondering how your hardfloor camper is going.
I was wondering if it was something like this from ebay-
7x5ft Off Road Hard Floor Camper Trailer wit 15x13ft Tent caravan 4X4 4WD CTHH01 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/7x5ft-Off-Road-Hard-Floor-Camper-Trailer-wit-15x13ft-Tent-caravan-4X4-4WD-CTHH01-/130628153819?pt=AU_Caravans_RVs&hash=item1e6a0b71db)

As I am thinking of getting one.
Want be used for much off-road. But may make a trip or two to the high country. So not leaking would be nice.
That is the same seller I am taking to VCAT for the bad soft floor tailer. The trailer is exactly the same in two photos and only cosmetic diferances in the others. The paint and the poor stone guard are the diferances I can see. There is about four ebay sellers of that trailer.

It would be fixable!

Noted a few problems with mine after a xmas trip into Wonnangatta. Coming up Zeka spur I broke off the RHS shock absorber mount. It was welded to the plate holding the axel to the springs. The weld is at a right angle and not braced at all. A small brace now added to both sides has added a lot of strength to this weak point.

Lashed the shocky up and of again. Going up a nice goat track AKA as Hearn Spur ( great drive and views) the plate was weakened by the broken bit near a bolt hole and it let go leaving the axel attached to nothing on the RHS. Whoops. Lashed up the lot and camped at the top.
A bracing bit of steel welded to the right angle joint holding the lower shocky mount bolt is a must do if you have one of these imported trailers. About 30 minutes if your hand with a welder or about $50 for a nice engineer would massively strengthen this weak point.
I am upgrading the shock absorbers and also lowering the axel 2-3 inches as I did drag the back of the trailer a fair bit.

Water tank took another battering and I will also add a protection plate to the front edge and bottom. The stone hits on it have to be seen to explain this fully

[turps]

Cool sounds good. Bugger about the soft floor. But the hardfloor sounds like a winner for a budget light duty hardfloor camper. Just what I am after.
Going to Ballarat in a couple of weeks and will have a look at one hopefully. As I am keen to see how much bed space there is. As the CUB I have borrowed a couple of times has a small cupboard at the head end which I really like.

Also just wondering how much room there is when the hardfloor is folded up. As on the current CUB we borrow its possible to leave the annex zipped on. Plus still leave bedding and tables ontop of the bed.

[NavyDiver]

Cool sounds good. Bugger about the soft floor. But the hardfloor sounds like a winner for a budget light duty hardfloor camper. Just what I am after.
Going to Ballarat in a couple of weeks and will have a look at one hopefully. As I am keen to see how much bed space there is. As the CUB I have borrowed a couple of times has a small cupboard at the head end which I really like.

Also just wondering how much room there is when the hardfloor is folded up. As on the current CUB we borrow its possible to leave the annex zipped on. Plus still leave bedding and tables ontop of the bed.

Bed is huge above Queen size sheets needed. Access under the bed is similar to most hard floors. I usualy put the better half and two kids on the bed and swag it myself or a camp bed on the hard floor if my elder son pinches my swag. There is no cupboards. Your welcome to have a look at mine if near Doncaster vic. A Defender driver I met in Wonnagatta with a very nifty roof top tent on his truck mentioned he had a CUB. He liked mine mentioning it might be a bit more solid in some points. Not sure myself as the CUBs I have seen look pretty good.

Forgot to mention I am raising the axel and putting better shock absorbers on as mine sits a bit head down for the mattress. Not just to get more off road clearance. I was told some blocks used to lower cars can be used under the axel to raise the trailer. The axel is above the springs. I am moving it under the springs and then will add some blocks if needed.

The jockey wheel is another weak point. Replace the one it comes with ASAP or do not move the trailer on the jockey wheel unless it is fully lowered! Get a good one as the weight on front is heavy. I replaced the orgaional one with one from Autobarn which broke as well! I can easily lift the front of the softfloor. I would strugle lifting the hard floor at all. When my jockey wheel broke when I was pushing the trailer to one side the draw bar dropped onto my foot. If my foot had been a bit further forward and in a fairly good boot, it would have broken it, was my big toe nail is still black. Mum and dads needed load leveling bars due to the draw bar weight. Not a issue on my D3.

[Reads90]

I bought my soft floor camper from a Brisbane company and know it was made he as I saw them make mine as they are to order. I got all the accessories that you could get for it. I paid on $8000 for it. I then lived in it for 8 months whilst doing 45,000ks around Australia.

So look around and you can find Aussie made ones locally

[rangieman]

Cool sounds good. Bugger about the soft floor. But the hardfloor sounds like a winner for a budget light duty hardfloor camper. Just what I am after.
Going to Ballarat in a couple of weeks and will have a look at one hopefully. As I am keen to see how much bed space there is. As the CUB I have borrowed a couple of times has a small cupboard at the head end which I really like.

Also just wondering how much room there is when the hardfloor is folded up. As on the current CUB we borrow its possible to leave the annex zipped on. Plus still leave bedding and tables ontop of the bed.
If your going to Ballarat give Pinnacle campers a call , I have a Pinnacle and am very happy with it and the service i got.

Mine is a soft floor the bed is king size , I had to buy a king size sheet just for the camper bed ;)

A trap that all should be aware of is there is no such thing as Australian canvas anymore it is all imported now :eek: Most will tell you its Australian built but i bet 80% of the thing is imported as is your Ve commordore ,It boils down that they are all made for profit and the gains in imported parts are very high , Not saying your build quality is bad maybe with certain brands ! But the parts quality could differ alot

[bigcarle]

i got my soft floor camper from Castle Campers in Brisbane and i am very happy with it. Trailer from Nathan Trailers and the tent is made to his heavier grade spec's in china. $8000 new on road tow away

[turps]

If your going to Ballarat give Pinnacle campers a call , I have a Pinnacle and am very happy with it and the service i got.

Mine is a soft floor the bed is king size , I had to buy a king size sheet just for the camper bed ;)

A trap that all should be aware of is there is no such thing as Australian canvas anymore it is all imported now :eek: Most will tell you its Australian built but i bet 80% of the thing is imported as is your Ve commordore ,It boils down that they are all made for profit and the gains in imported parts are very high , Not saying your build quality is bad maybe with certain brands ! But the parts quality could differ alot

Yep already emailed Pinnacle and found there address. I should have realised who they where as a mate from work brought a chainsaw from there a month ago. Seen the pictures and they look like all the bases are covered. And I already realise i am probably going to have to go thru and check tighten and replace bolts where necessary. Oh and some welds (dads a boiler maker so covered there).
Also going to check out the mob that sell on ebay. One of them are based in Malvern.

SO unless I can find something nice 2nd hand. I think mid year I will be buying.

[NavyDiver]

Mars campers (A&S powersellers) were ordered to give me my money back and take their trailer back this morning in VCAT which is a Victorian consumer affairs tribunal to keep little things from clogging up the courts

The nice gent in charge of the tribunal agreed with my request for a refund and mars campers (A&S powersellers) did not bother turning up to be told they fib a bit more than acceptable.
As long as they don’t go bankrupt I have the an order for them to give my money back. Wonder if Ebay will now stop them advertising the waffle that they are 100% aussie built and 100% satisfaction guaranty?

[Bytemrk]

Anyone looking for an off road camper at budget prices that truely is made in Australia should definitely take a look at Tambo (http://www.tambocampers.com.au/Cooper.html).

They are made here in Victoria, I bought mine about 6-7 years ago and it has been faultless.

Tambo are a small family owned operation - there customer service is outstanding.

As Vlad mentioned you generally get what you pay for...

eBay provide cheaper units than this .... but not that much cheaper... and the quality and backing is like chalk and cheese.

I have no affilliation with this company ..except I am a very happy customer. Particularly if you are in Victoria - pop out to Wantirna and take a look - talk to the people that design and build these things and you will see.

The only time mine has let me down was operator error...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37112761@N06/3995394552/https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/258.jpg

You get that.....

[turps]

Weakestlink. Was that for the soft floor?

[NavyDiver]

Weakestlink. Was that for the soft floor?

It was the softfloor going back turps. My hardfloor from another dealer is staying put with me.

The softfloor is full of water and a fair bit of surface rust- Its fully Sealed promise proved a bit shakey as well.

The hard floor is also sold by the same dealer "mars campers- A& S powersellers" who sold me the softfloor promising 100% aussie built and 100% satifaction. Given the G rating I can not begin to tell you how much they failed on the satisfaction promise:o

[turps]

Cheers thanks for the heads up. I will still go look at there's. But also there's another seller in Malvern and Clayton (I think was the other).
Plus Pinnical in ballarat.
That should give me some good exposure to them to get bidding.

[dirtdawg]

ive had a good look at rangiemans camper and it definitely looks well built and handled a good dose of rain when we were away no probs!!

[Redback]

Don't waste your money on these cheap Chinese campers, buy a good quality Australian made camper, there are heaps out there, Tambo and Camel are about the best for a new budget camper.

Second hand is a great way to buy a good quality Aussie made camper at a good price, the bonus with this way is the camper is usually already setup with everything you need.

Here ya go
2009 - Camel Camper - Beachcomber - $7000, Sydney South (http://myswag.org/forum/index.php'topic=19229.0)

Baz.

[TerryO]

I agree with Baz, there is no need to buy junk made rubbish when you can buy a good quaility Australian built camper for roughly the same price second hand that will do what it is designed for. With many of these Chinese units they look flash but aren't up to the task they are meant for and usually people get let down by them when in the middle of no where or they just fall apart while sitting in your shed.

I have a really good quaility well set up Australian made camper for sale that has a full hot dipped galv body and independant suspenion. Recently I left it up in the front paddock for over a month, when I finally went back inside it it was completely dry with no smells or moisture. That only happens with the best quality canvas.

Anyway if anyone is interested have a look at the pics I put up even though I sized them wrong, anyway I have better ones that I can email if contacted.


http://www.aulro.com/apc/showproduct.php/product/6462/cat/33

cheers,
Terry

[NavyDiver]

Mars campers (A&S powersellers) were ordered to give me my money back and take their trailer back this morning in VCAT which is a Victorian consumer affairs tribunal to keep little things from clogging up the courts

The nice gent in charge of the tribunal agreed with my request for a refund and mars campers (A&S powersellers) did not bother turning up to be told they fib a bit more than acceptable.
As long as they don’t go bankrupt I have the an order for them to give my money back. Wonder if Ebay will now stop them advertising the waffle that they are 100% aussie built and 100% satisfaction guaranty?

VCAT Orders are followed about as closely as 100% claims. No refund so Sherifs office took it for me and went to collect from the VCAT order last week.:D
They did not stuff the Sheiff about and gave him my money and cost.

Took the trailer back today. The wheels nearly feel off :eek:. Two wheel nuts had come off and every other one was loose on both sides. I think when assembled they had put them on hand tight only.
Put two new nuts on and tightened everything up so I could take it home for them. It traveled 20km to here and a similar distance back to Mulgrave today.
They are not happy. Front tool box and trailer have a heap of water inside. Canvas which is still in it orgional covering is apparently moldy due to the leaks. They think I must have used it I suppose. That would be dificult for me to tow two traliers at once - I didn't :D. It has been outside waiting to go back for about twelve months now. It has rained lots but still supprising how much water has accumulated in it.

Noticed almost all the sealing strips have fallen off. They used cheap double sided tape:eek:

It will be interesting if they try my trick at VCAT for the moldy canvas. I wonder if they might have forgotten about the 100% sealed promise?
If they try it on I will be seeking costs this time. Be happy to swear it has traveld only 40odd Km and never used and show vcat lots of camping photos in my trailer not thiers!:D Winning feels good:cool:

[worane]

Bugger, I bought a hard floor off them this morning.

[turps]

Bugger, I bought a hard floor off them this morning.

If you read the thread the hardfloor has been relative hassle free. It was the soft floor that has had issues.

I havent brought mine yet. Thinking about getting some mates together and buying 4-6 direct from the factory and assembly them ourselves.
As I found a factory that makes copies of some of the bigger priced hardfloors.

[Tank]

I have bought one of these Chinese import/assembled here in Australia from Tyre King (I think that's there name) in Dandenong, Vic.
I bought the trailer knowing it's origins after a thorough inspection.
Fully galvanised steel chassis with welds better than most so called Aussie built trailers. Draw bar is bolted on with quality bolts and nuts, welds on this also ok.
Has Treg (type) Hitch (chinese branch), square axle, proper leaf springs with bushes, Electric brakes, stainless draws for kitchen and battery box, large alloy box on drawbar, 9kg gas bottle holder, 2 jerry can holders. Proper pinch weld rubber seals on box and draw lids as well as rubber seals where draws close to body. Triple seal between roof/hard floor, S/S hinges, water pump, battery, charger, water tank and 4 burner S/S slide out kitchen with sink and tap/drain, rock guard on draw bar, 3 new 15" sunraysia rims and tyres, canvas good, some of the poles need loosening up for the supplied Annex and walls.
As I said I looked at this trailer and found the structural work sound, I knew I would have to do some work on it to get it where I want it, like:
Reposition the water tank and brackets, replace the 50kg. innerspring queen size mattress with a Dunlopillow double size 10Kg. mattress, which gives me some room along side the bed and makes it easy to make the bed.
Move the battery from underneath the head of the bed to the large cargo box on the drawbar along with all electrics, reroute the gas hose from the same area (under the bed) to outside.
Install a battery management system in the cargo box, fit a real set of shocks and modify the mounts so the shocks will be almost vertical, instead of almost horizontal.
Set up a tow/recovery point and protection bar under the LED tailights.
I couldn't build this trailer for the price I paid for mine, which was $5200 w/rego, so I figured if I spent a coule of grand I will have a trailer I will be confident of taking anywhere, so I am happy with my trailer, because I know what I bought, towed it from Melbourne to home (up the Hume) and it poured all the way, not a leak anywhere, been camping twice, only one leak in canvas roof, very slight, will have to season it properly and spray on some of that sealing stuff, my story, regards Frank.

[AnD3rew]

A trap that all should be aware of is there is no such thing as Australian canvas anymore it is all imported now :eek:

Almost but not quite true. Wax Converters Textiles in the Hunter Valley makes excellent canvas in Australia.

[loanrangie]

I believe Bradmill still make canvas and denim fabric locally but it usually gets cut/sewn OS.

[worane]

I pick up my new Mars Road King CTHHA1 hard floor on Friday.
Will be giving it a good go over before it leaves their yard, including wheel nuts.
I have been told by one who knows, to replace the axle U bolts for high tensile ones which I will do.
I have been to their yard (A&S Power sellers) and I can not fault the welding.
I will give you all a report on the thing in a week or two after I have got to know it better.
I paid #5451.00 at auction by bidding at ten seconds before the end.
I think I was bidding against the company as their bids are private.

[worane]

Picked up my new hard floor CT from Mars Power sellers at lunch time today.
It tows like a dream and I put it up of course when I got home.
So far only two very small faults. One a couple of the screws missed the body when securing the draw latch to the kitchen draw and the other thing is the screw lock on one of the kitchen stablizers does not screw in and lock the leg just needs a tap running through it.
I was very pleased to find it has a plastic water tank and not the advertised stainless one. I feel S/Steel will suffer more from stone damage.
So far so good , I have not had the time to put the annex up yet but tomorrow if the weather allows.
One other thing is that the jockey wheel is a lousy fit as it does not allow the trailer to go low enough to fit on the land rover. Also when hitched up you can't swivel the jockey wheel down into position to use it.
The head man there finally ADMITTED TO ME THAT IT IS MADE IN CHINA... So what , my three cars are made in USA,Japan , and UK.
and I am not worried by that at all. I have eyes and have worked in the caravan industry for five years and I tell you what, I would sooner have this rig over any caravan I have ever seen.
More soon. Regards Nick.