plastic wheel arch liners - easy way to remove rivets?

[bbyer]

Is there an easy way to remove the plastic rivets that hold the arch liner to the inside of the wheel well?

I have purchased some new rivets, Land Rover part # ANR 2224, per below, that look to require a special sort of plier to remove them. If so, what are the pliers called?

Also the new rivets as below, look a bit different than the existing ones. It appears that the removal procedure for the existing is to punch the centre insert right thru the middle - single use sort of I presume unless you can find the plastic pins again.

Alternatively, is there any better method of retaining the wheel arch liner than the Land Rover plastic rivets? Maybe with a special tool, removal of the new style rivets below would be easy, but nothing to me seems obvious.

[Ean Austral]

They look similar to the plastic things that hold the plastic trim on under the doors of a D2.

Flat blade screwdriver and a pair of long nose pliers, generally they break the little winged bits so would say they are single time use only.

dony know of any special tool, but assume there is

H T H

Cheers Ean

[p38arover]

A screwdriver into the flat slot, lever the centre up a bit. Side cutters are then used to gently grip and lever the pin out. I've been removing/reusing mine for years (although the P38A pins are a slightly different design without that locking section - see attached pic). I may have broken one or two but no more than that.

When refitting, put the centre pin just into the body and refit the pin. Then tap the pin in with a hammer.

Oh, I did the same with the RRS a couple of weeks ago - I think it used the same pins as you show.

[CaverD3]

What P38 said. :BigThumb:

[Nomad9]

Hi Bbyer,
I bought a set of pliers that were originally used to trim the outer sheath of plastic off wire. I ground the two ends into a flat fox wedge type shape, the wire shears also had a setting screw so you didn't cut right through the wire, I use the setting screw to stop me cutting the head off the centre pin. Same as P38A, I've been using the same ones for years. I've bought some spares in case I broke any which unfortunately over the years I've broken a few.
Hope this helps.

[bbyer]

Hi Bbyer,
I bought a set of pliers that were originally used to trim the outer sheath of plastic off wire. I ground the two ends into a flat fox wedge type shape, the wire shears also had a setting screw so you didn't cut right through the wire, I use the setting screw to stop me cutting the head off the centre pin. Same as P38A, I've been using the same ones for years. I've bought some spares in case I broke any which unfortunately over the years I've broken a few. Hope this helps. That gives me some encouragement.

I have started to look for some very narrow end cutters, but your idea is better. I was looking at wire strippers but the ones I found were more like side cutters - will keep looking, otherwise it will be the tried and true screwdriver and side cutters routine. The pdf is what I have been finding, ends about an inch wide when I need less than a quarter of that.

[p38arover]

Hi Bbyer,
I bought a set of pliers that were originally used to trim the outer sheath of plastic off wire. I ground the two ends into a flat fox wedge type shape, the wire shears also had a setting screw so you didn't cut right through the wire, I use the setting screw to stop me cutting the head off the centre pin. Same as P38A, I've been using the same ones for years. I've bought some spares in case I broke any which unfortunately over the years I've broken a few.
Hope this helps.

A cunning idea. I have a pair of those in my tool box.

http://www.choicediy.co.uk/images/WSP160.jpg

[bbyer]

A cunning idea. I have a pair of those in my tool box. I saw those but bauked at the price, about sixty five dollars here, but I did like the look of them.

As such I am continuing to look for something cheaper such as a very small narrow width end cutter. I looked at electronic supply places and all are too big, (could grind down like you did but am lazy); hence now to try to find some jeweller type or something similar.

[Nomad9]

Hi Ron,
Exactly, they're the ones, not that brand though, I got mine from SuperCheap, a lot cheaper that $65, hence the reason I didn't mind hoeing into them with a grinder.

[RichardK]

Hi Marty,

Great idea, I'm forever hating to attack those fixings, I will get one tomorrow at Supercheap or Bunnings where I think I've seen them.

[p38arover]

Mine are not those illustrated, I got that pic off the 'Net. I have no idea what mine cost, I've had them for years and they were provided as part of my tool kit by my employer (the tools became our own and didn't have to be returned when we left - in my case, after 37 years).

[Nomad9]

Hi Richard,
The trick is grinding the inner one, one has to be ground on the outside the other on the inside so you keep the jaw alignment right. Took a bit of messing around but I got it in the end, works a treat now.

A bit off topic I've sold the RR with the Chrysler and I've now got a 96 Disco with a 300 Tdi, got a bit of a bargain. Off up North, Denham I think with the D3 next school hols, can't wait for the break it's been a long time coming.

[bbyer]

Mine are not those illustrated, I got that pic off the 'Net. I have no idea what mine cost, I've had them for years and they were provided as part of my tool kit by my employer (the tools became our own and didn't have to be returned when we left - in my case, after 37 years). After 37 years, I think there must be some precedent under English Common Law that the tools are yours - kind of like the law re private paths being public access after some length of time - a lot less than 37 years I might add. Regardless, you have earned them.

I think the tool you modified is still better than what I found per below, but the the price was right and I did not have to grind anything.

The set was about twenty dollars, (Lee Valley Tools 25K65.01), and the one plier with the curved bent nose works surprisingly well. The pointy curved bent nose facilitates both digging the centre pin out and then pulling on the outer portion as well.

If there is a problem, the handles are too long so the tool works best with the wheel removed.