What diagnostic tool for a V8 Disco 2

[Rosieposie]

What diagnostic tool can you buy that works on a Discovery 2 V8 year 2002? I have looked at a number of sites but they all seem to lead to TD5's?:(:(

[banarcus]

I'm no expert on this yet I've been researching lately and asking myself this too lately. I'd really like to go for a Blackbox Faultmate FCR but it appears that they don't do one for the D2 and the other one they have, the MSV-2 is over twice the price. No good for me.

Other than that, Nanocom will read everything bar the V8 Bosch fault codes which I guess a generic OBDII reader could do anyway without the detail. Other than that, there is Hawkeye but there have been some bad reviews.

If someone with a D2 V8 has a idea I'm all ears too :)

[Fluids]

Sometime soon BBS will have a V8 module for the Nanocom 1 & 2 ... prayers answered.

... patience ! :)

[Psimpson7]

I think they already do for the version 1 nanocom.

Firmware 2.06 has it. (extra purchased code)

[banarcus]

Sometime soon BBS will have a V8 module for the Nanocom 1 & 2 ... prayers answered.

... patience ! :)

I wonder if that include engine management manipulation like that of the TD5 Lucas EMS or just read OBDII codes etc? I'm more than happy to pay the money like that of the Faultmate MSV-2 so that I can tune my V8 like the diesel guys can with theirs. Otherwise, a simple code reader and fault reset module like the FCR will do me fine.

[PaulP38a]

Hey RosiePosie - we knew it would happen... I saw you Saturday and my new toy arrived today :o

The Nanocom Evo 2 adds support for the Disco 2 V8, auto transmission and airbags. Shame I didn't have it on Saturday to try out on your Disco 2 so we could find out how what it can do.

See my other post for pics http://www.aulro.com/afvb/electronic-diagnostics/132563-nanocom-evo-2-has-landed.html#post1515837

Cheers, Paul.

[BBS Guy]

Hiya Guys

banarcus, i am so glad you have done your homework, when a company does not give exact detail of what functions and features it provides, there is usually a good reason as many have found to their dissapointment and cost.

Hence the bad reviews.

While i am not personally everyones cup of tea, The MSV-2 system is certainly the penultimate system and despite it's cost, no one who has invested in one will tell you it is not worth every penny or cent.

It is certainly not comparable with Generic OBDII equipment, even just for the Motronic V8 engine management.

here is a link to the on line help page for the Motronic that details exactly what it provides access to.

https://www.blackbox-solutions.com/shop/help/SM009.html

Although extensive, you will note the MSV-2 does not provide reflashing capability. Unlike the diesel guys there is so little need, market or demand for this on V8's, we did not develop this.

In respect of the Nanocom products capability for Motronic, we have furthered development of this to the same level and access capability of the MSV-2, although the MSV-2 does have some additional functionality such as HTML page saving, CSV and AVI capture.

But if you can live without these extra bells and whistles, then the Nanocom evolution, especially the new and nicely revised hardware version Paul has linked you to is very much the way to go.

I hope this helps

[banarcus]

WOW, I posted in this thread about five or so hours too early and should have heeded the "paitence" call! This is great news for V8 owners and just what I was looking for. I had a browse on your site Colin and noticed the Motronic page that you provided the link to. Pretty comprehensive.

When can we expect to see it officially on sale? All I need to do is convince the boss that this will save much hard earned in the future.

Good work Colin and thanks for reading my earlier comments and addressing them. You can expect an order from me down the track. Cheers, Mark.

[BBS Guy]

Hiya banarcus
Yes, i think quite a few have been watching and hoping that since we took on Nanocom, that we would indeed deliver this answer to the many Disco 2 V8 owners Prayers.

It has taken a few months and a bit of everyone's patience but finally It's now only a few days away from actually being available on our web shop.

The list is comprehensive, as we typically do not provide only enough capability to tick a box, or even just what can be accessed with a Main dealer tool. Our software development is not done by following or copying anything else, it is done entirely first generation on actual ECU's and utilizes in house developed permutation trying software that figures out everything that an ECU can actually provide diagnostically.

That's why our software provides information and access capability for systems such as the Secondary Air injection that is fitted only in certain markets and that we test this on real ECU's means reliable and dependable communications.

That's why the MSV-2 has always been the best and most capable equipment there is, that is until we applied our knowledge and experience to the Nanocom of course :)

I am sure you and the Boss will be very happy ;)

[Rosieposie]

[QUOTE=BBS Guy;1516420]Hiya banarcus
Yes, i think quite a few have been watching and hoping that since we took on Nanocom, that we would indeed deliver this answer to the many Disco 2 V8 owners Prayers.

It has taken a few months and a bit of everyone's patience but finally It's now only a few days away from actually being available on our web shop.

Hi,

Is it listed as being available yet? I cannot find it on the website:(

[BBS Guy]

Hiya Rosieposie
Sadly things are happening in almost slow motion here due to the disruptions in power and communications we are suffering as a direct result of the national disaster. We are trying our very best however and it should not be too long.

[Rosieposie]

Sorry I forget about the accident at Zygi Naval base

[BBS Guy]

No worries RosiePosie. Thanks for your and everyones understanding and patience in such times of crisis.

This actually could not have come at a worse time for us, as not only are we trying to beta test the 2,06 upgrade for the Nanocom one, and of course introduce the same for the Evolution, but we are also trying to build and ship the new Nanocom Evolutions to the many patiently waiting customers we have. We also have other un mentioned and even worse aspects causing us quite some additional problems.

So it really is very trying when you get un announced power cuts for up to five hours of a seven and a half hour working day.

For those not familiar with events, Cyprus is a pretty laid back place, and It's a well accepted fact that the Cyprus Governement and all officials here are typically more incompetant than most.

So in 2009 when the Barack administration insisted Cyprus conviscate no less than 98 full size shipping containers of assorted and unknown munitions, the Cyprus government did so.

However if they had someone competent enough to research the best place to store these containers, they would have found that the place they chose was absolutely the very last place they should have. IE right next to the Countries Main Power station :eek:

If they had consulted anyone about how to store them, they would have also known that the Pyramid fashion that they chose was also the worst possible configuration.

http://www.cyprusnewsreport.com/?q=system/files/261885_10150240734277831_591872830_7653036_7883977 _n%5B1%5D%281%29.jpg

To give you some idea of how utterly obvious this event on the 11th of July really was

The fire brigade were called out on the 6th of July to see what they could do in respect of the containers making fizzing noises and expanding under the heat.

Here is a picture that they took of what an expanding container actually means

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRs1OiFeG0nXK5c6ZLGXHw8tHmSpNNq zWGkG_c8LUbyD5UrkxJ

Hardly surprising that one of the containers in the middle got so hot as to explode the whole lot in a reported 1.5 Megaton blast.

Amazingly they are only now considering that there may have been radioactive material present in one or more of the containers, which has thankfully yet proven negative.

But regardless of whatever blame or stupidity aspects there are, we simply have to live with the consequences and power cuts and adapt as best we can.

[clubagreenie]

What we want to see is the post blast crater pics.

[wrinklearthur]

What we want to see is the post blast crater pics.
X2

Cheers Arthur

[biggin]

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It's a well accepted fact that the Cyprus Governement and all officials here are typically more incompetant than most.
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You have it good.
Our government is more incompetant than any!

[BBS Guy]

Well It's a bit off topic but as you ask x 2, here is a close up Satellite picture of the area before the Explosion.

The stack of containers can be seen about a Third in from the left and about a third up from the bottom. And it is quite clear to see that you could not have got them much closer to the Power station :mad:


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/97.jpg

If you can't pick them out, Maybe this picture of the same are area will help show you where they were :eek:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/98.jpg

Also a close up of the container area before and after

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/99.jpg

And another amazing shot of one of the containers bulging, and yes that is firemen walking along the container next to it :(:(:(

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/100.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Look at the damage to the power station--:eek::eek::eek:

[Freightdog]

I just took delivery of a Hawkeye version 5. Bought from Paddack Spares, delivered to my door for $420.

Am more than happy with it. Check out "The D2 Boys Club" forum for a more balanced view on them in regards to the D2.

I have just reached a new nirvana, a completly faultless D2. No lights, no codes and no worries with this little box in my glove box.

Should I have waited for a nanocom, don't know? However my Hawkeye is not restricted to just one VIN, it is restricted to one vehicle model i.e. the D2.

[BBS Guy]

Yea Pedro_the _swift, it's estimated it will take over 18 months and 700 Million to repair it.

Freightdog, i am pleased that you are happy with your choice. It is always nice to know your Vehicle is totally Fault code free :D

However, i take it from your comment

Should I have waited for a nanocom, don't know? However my Hawkeye is not restricted to just one VIN
that you incorrectly believe that the Nanocom is restricted to one VIN.

Might i enquire as to why you believe this is so?

[Freightdog]

I thought the new nanocom was restricted to one VIN, my mistake. Could I have mixed it up for one of your other products?

[PaulP38a]

The FaultMate MSV-2 is restricted to a single vehicle by VIN if you purchase the single vehicle licence, which is the default. Multi-vehicle licences are also available.

Will be interested to see what the Hawkeye can do on a Disco 2, as it is reported to be less than impressive on a P38.

Cheers, Paul.

[PaulP38a]

RosiePosie - when we catch up again I have the Motronics V8 module activated on my Nanocom Evo 2 so we can see what it can do with your Disco 2.

Let me know if you are coming down Canberra/Queanbeyan way and we can have a play.

Cheers, Paul.

[Rosieposie]

Paul,

Will do cannot wait to get my hands on the new unit.

[LRT]

The Bearmach Hawkeye handheld diagnostic tool will read and clear fault codes in the Engine ECU and ABS ECU. It will also read live data in the in all ECU's fitted to the vehicle, as well as the alarm system BCU. It will actively test all functions, such as the difflock warning light and fuel pump, because it has a Forced Outputs function.

With the release of Version 5 there is more functions available, including programming the BCU, and keys.

The Hawkeye diagnostic tool will work with all other Land Rover models, provided you purchase additional unlock codes.

I have found the Bearmach Hawkeye to be indispensable.

This diagnostic tool is made by Omitec Ltd for Bearmach, who manufacture Land Rover’s Testbook diagnostic system.

For the full functions that are available, see the link and attachment.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/electronic-diagnostics/37429d1310613272-diags-94-rrc-hawkeye_8pp_e-layout-1.pdf

LRT

[BBS Guy]

LRT

I am obviously a competitor to the hawkeye, and i really do not want to start any trouble or war but i really do feel compelled to respond and raise a few questions as food for thought and fair response.

I really do appreciate your enthusiasm for the system you have purchased, It;s quite natural and understandable, and i am glad you are happy, but have you actually physically compared what the hawkeye can do, like for like against anything else like the Nanocom or MSV-2?

I also do not get these manufacturer heritage and capabity claims you re iterate.
If the manufacture of the hawkeye has such an edge as having devoped the Testbook, can you explain why are they taking so long to introduce coverage of all capability in all systems and are even still missing coverage some systems completly?

I eagerly await your response as no doubt will most members here.

warmest regards

Colin

[OffTrack]

I also do not get these manufacturer heritage and capabity claims you re iterate.
If the manufacture of the hawkeye has such an edge as having devoped the Testbook, can you explain why are they taking so long to introduce coverage of all capability in all systems and are even still missing coverage some systems completly?


Hi Colin,

Speaking of taking a long time to add functionality I was wondering how you were going with the Nanocom One 2.06 firmware update? Any idea when we might see a final release?

cheers
Paul

[LRT]

Hi Colin,

No, we have not compared the HawkEye and Nanocom. We are looking forward to reading the comparison of diagnostic tools in the August 2011 issue of Land Rover Owner International. Hopefully, both of these tools will be compared.

We purchased the Hawkeye because the current Nanocom at the time did not support the V8 engine, as we needed to read and clear fault codes and live data in the V8 engine’s EMS. However, Bearmach seem to take a long time to release new system upgrades. Nanocom may now offer better support for the V8 engine.

Re the link between Bearmach and Omitec, Bearmach stated in their 2010 brochure: “Designed and manufactured exclusively for Bearmach by Omitec Ltd using their experience in Land Rover Diagnostics.” See further the link http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=37429&d=1310613272

However, Bearmach now state in their 2011 Version 5 brochure: “Designed and manufactured exclusively for Bearmach using our in-depth knowledge and experience in Land Rover Diagnostics.” See further the attachment.

Kind regards, LRT.

[GEK064]

An older thread I know- I really like the Nanocom but I bought a hawkeye for my D2 because it appeared to be the simpler to use for the V8, fewer bugs and more social.