D3 won't start - turns over rapidly though

[djambalawa]

Any ideas? :(

Wondering whether its the immobiliser or something... seems to have plenty battery power...

Cheers
Paul

Its a TDV6... MY07...

[djambalawa]

Ah nevermind.. my aunty who is currently borrowing it put a gutfull of petrol in it.. hopefully no damage.. the guy with her on the phone had a quick look underneath and coudn't see any easy way to drain it so hopefully its not a mission... :o

[Psimpson7]

oh dear. good luck sorting that out. Was it run with the petrol in, and then stop? or did it just refuse to start....

[djambalawa]

oh dear. good luck sorting that out. Was it run with the petrol in, and then stop? or did it just refuse to start....


Thanks for that - sort of both - it didn't konk out whilst running but it did run after filling it up ($50 of petrol she says - so maybe 50/50 mix). But it didnt start after stopping it.

:(

[Psimpson7]

I don't really know much about D3's but that doesnt sound good atall.

The TD5 gets very upset if that happens, let alone I would imagine the TDV6.

I wouldn't even consider trying to start it again without seeking advice from a knowedgable specialist.

[Tombie]

Hope your Aunty has plenty of spare pocket money :o

Last "petrol" fueled TDV6 I saw required a minimum of a complete new Fuel system. The one prior to that required rebuild...

She's looking at between $6000-$17,000

[stevo68]

Ah nevermind.. my aunty who is currently borrowing it put a gutfull of petrol in it.. hopefully no damage.. the guy with her on the phone had a quick look underneath and coudn't see any easy way to drain it so hopefully its not a mission... :o Man...you'd wanna hope it was an aunty you were close to.....otherwise I'd be gathering up the shovel and wheel barrow :twisted:.....thing is...these day's you really have to try when it comes to putting petrol in diesel cars :wasntme:,

Regards

Stevo

[B92 8NW]

Make sure you buy a mis-fuelling device when it comes back fixed.

I paid $55 for mine. Although it is only a D1, I sometimes have no choice but to lend the car to people I have no confidence in whatsoever. It installs easily and although I've never needed to can be easily removed to use a hi-flow nozzle or one that otherwise doesnt fit.

[stig0000]

if it wont start and was driven for more then 2 mins on that mix,, it will need a fuel sys replacement,

and a tdv6 rebuild from pet in desel??? the fuel pump will kill the injectors ( like it has happend in this case) b4 the engine will fail internaly

wev had countless 99.99% petrols in desel run till they stop and dont need a rebuild:(

just think your self luck you dont own a tdv8:angel: the most resent case was 21.1k

[Presto]

I'm scared to death of my wife or family member doing this to ours, so I feel for you! :(

[DiscoWeb]

[QUOTE=stig0000;1517320

just think your self luck you dont own a tdv8:angel: the most resent case was 21.1k[/QUOTE]


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: christ that is an expensive mistake, where do you buy those misfueling devices ?

George

[stig0000]

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: christ that is an expensive mistake, where do you buy those misfueling devices ?

George

and i wish i was over exagerating,, but im not:( wev only had one customer pay by savings but all go on insurence clames,,

i think the avg tdv6 is about 8-9k ish, now,, the price of the injecotors on tdv6s have droped a fear bit last i looked;)

[101RRS]

A friend filled his TDV6 with petrol and drove off for a couple of kms - the ECU sensed something was wrong and shut the engine down. No damage to anything - just a complete fuel system flush,l change filters etc.

The ECU shut the engine down , not the driver. So if the system worked for him - why not others? Or is it just profiteering and the usual changing for work and parts that do not need doing.

Garry

[B92 8NW]

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: christ that is an expensive mistake, where do you buy those misfueling devices ?

George

I got mine off Ebay, its "DieselKey UK" brand. This was the only one I could find for a D1 - I mentioned earlier it removes easily, it does, but it ends up wrecked:angel:.

There are others for later Disco's that can be removed for large bowsers. Maybe even try LR for an OE D4 one if it fits.

FuelSure | Protects your vehicle from misfuelling, the right fuel every time (http://www.fuelsure.com/)

[B92 8NW]

I've just watched the video on the FuelSure site. That is a much better design than the Diesel Key. No cap to undo at the bowser and removed easily if need be.

[sniegy]

A friend filled his TDV6 with petrol and drove off for a couple of kms - the ECU sensed something was wrong and shut the engine down. No damage to anything - just a complete fuel system flush,l change filters etc.

The ECU shut the engine down , not the driver. So if the system worked for him - why not others? Or is it just profiteering and the usual changing for work and parts that do not need doing.

Garry

Garry,
In all the vehicles we have had towed to us, we have NEVER seen an ecu shut the vehicle down. Not saying it will never or can't happen but just expressing what I have seen. It normally turns out to be a stumble from wrong fuel & the vehicle won't start again.
The petrol normally damages the injectors, which in turns sprays metal fragments into the fuel system then damaging the high pressure fuel pump &
other components.
Hence the expensive bill as Stig has said.

Cheers

[Graeme]

The petrol normally damages the injectors, which in turns sprays metal fragments into the fuel system then damaging the high pressure fuel pump &
other components.

I suspect its the other way round. The lack of lubrication in the petrol quickly damages the HPFP which sends metal fragments to the injectors causing them to be damaged too. Contaminated surplus fuel would also be returned to the tank.

[101RRS]

[QUOTE=sniegy;1517542]In all the vehicles we have had towed to us, we have NEVER seen an ecu shut the vehicle down. Not saying it will never or can't happen but just expressing what I have seen. It normally turns out to be a stumble from wrong fuel & the vehicle won't start again.
/QUOTE]

Hi Pete,

Understand what you are saying - however he took on about 60l of petrol and drove off down the highway towing a horse float and little while later the D3 equivalent of the check engine light came on so he pulled over - as he stopped all the dash lights came on - indicating ignition on and engine off which it was.

At that time the light came on with the driver - remembered it was petrol not diesel he had put in (not only his tank but a couple of jerries as well) so did not try a restart. Called the tow truck and off to the dealer - after a flush, clean, replace fliters etc all was OK - recently ran rough but just needed EGRs replaced. The D3 has 135,000km and regularly tows a horse float.

I guess he was lucky.

Garry

[stig0000]

Youd think surly.they could make a sys that senses petrol... but i guess just dont put petrol in.. the lid has a masive deasel.sticker and the cap has to and bright yellow...

[101RRS]

Youd think surly.they could make a sys that senses petrol...

I agree - now in the situation I indicated above the guy only has a Disco and has owned it four 4 years and in all that time has never put petrol in - just wasn't thinking.

I don't put 2 stroke into my diesel (might start though) - now if you accidently put in petrol instead of diesel but you still put in your 200ml or so of 2 stroke would the injector pump still have a hissy fit sucking through 80% petrol, 19.5% diesel and .5% 2 stroke?

[Presto]

I don't put 2 stroke into my diesel (might start though) - now if you accidently put in petrol instead of diesel but you still put in your 200ml or so of 2 stroke would the injector pump still have a hissy fit sucking through 80% petrol, 19.5% diesel and .5% 2 stroke?

Try it in your RRS and let us know how you get on! :wasntme:

[101RRS]

Try it in your RRS and let us know how you get on! :wasntme:

Nah - I will let you try - can you give us report by next week:)

[Presto]

Nah - I will let you try - can you give us report by next week:)

Ok, but I might go for 10% 2 stroke :P

[PAT303]

Youd think surly.they could make a sys that senses petrol... but i guess just dont put petrol in.. the lid has a masive deasel.sticker and the cap has to and bright yellow...

Yep I recon they should,we are already so dumb as to need chimes to tell us when the door is open,keys in the ignition,put your seatbelt on etc so one more thing fitted because people are to dumb to know they've bought a deisel would be a great benefit. Pat

[djambalawa]

Hiya folks just an update.. we drained the fuel out of it (had to remove fuel tank to do this)... flushed out fuel system and replace filter.. filled her up with diesel and it started instantly.. and seems to be running beautifully... is this a good sign or might there be hidden damage yet to show itself?

From what I can understand she filled it up with petrol when it was about half full of diesel. She drove it a few kms somewhere and noticed it took a bit to start when she went to leave there. She drove another couple of km to another place (not noticing any problems) and then went she went to leave there it wouldn't start.

But yeah driving it around now it just seems as good as new...

[stig0000]

50/50 deasel... mmmm its just a wating game now... maby a dash of 2stroke oil in the tank to help relub everything... have had them fail a few thou after the miss fuel... hope it gose well for ya..

[djambalawa]

because people are to dumb to know they've bought a deisel would be a great benefit. Pat

:eek:

Or they're just letting their pensioner Aunty drive because she currently can't drive her manual as she had a fall and hurt her left shoulder...

I did know I bought a diesel and made sure she knew... she even thought she put diesel into it until she checked the reciept :(

[wrinklearthur]

The signage on some of those pumps, is very close to being the same colour and style.

Maybe we should be pushing for all brands to have a standardised colour scheme to identify the different fuels.

Cheers Arthur

[PAT303]

:eek:

Or they're just letting their pensioner Aunty drive because she currently can't drive her manual as she had a fall and hurt her left shoulder...

I did know I bought a diesel and made sure she knew... she even thought she put diesel into it until she checked the reciept :(

Sorry mate,no offence.Seems today that everythings got an alarm on it because if something goes wrong it's always someone else's fault. Pat

[Presto]

The signage on some of those pumps, is very close to being the same colour and style.

Maybe we should be pushing for all brands to have a standardised colour scheme to identify the different fuels.

Cheers Arthur

That I agree with! ....I can't believe it's not already the case!!!??

[djambalawa]

Sorry mate,no offence.Seems today that everythings got an alarm on it because if something goes wrong it's always someone else's fault. Pat

Sorry mate agreed you're right - I should've read your post for what it was - a generalisation that I agree with! :)

[PAT303]

We have a BHP Prado,it's even got a bright yellow sticker on the windscreen reminding you to drive carefully??????,along with the 20 chimes that start when you open the door and a Dallas key that you have to insert first before the ignition key and ZZZZzzzzz. Pat