Puma Longevity ??

[Rosco]

OK ... I'll admit it ... I'm a Landy Tragic :D

Notwithstanding my veiled inference in my other thread that I was considering going over to the dark side, the simple truth of the matter is that I can't do it .... I simply can't for the life of me go there :o

Which got me thinking, p'raps I should consider moving on to a newer Fender and hence my posting. I've had a search through postings and haven't quite found what I'm after.

So, to all you Puma owners. They've been out there for long enough now to get some feedback on longevity issues, if any.

Any reports or comments on failures or breakdown issues and at what distance travelled would be appreciated. Plus of course any positive comments.

Ta :)

[Drover]

Rosco,

PUMA's are like any new car, some will have problems, some worse than others.

Lots of members on here like to rag on them as they are the latest model and forums will always attract owners wanting help with problems and other needing to "vent", more so than good new storeys.

My personal experience is very positive, with only very minor issues and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to a mate. After all, you have 3 years to get it sorted.

There are PUMA owners on here with close to 200,000K's with barley an issue.

The engine gets lots of attention, being to small and only from a transit but the reality is transit vans do hundreds upon hundreds of thousands K's across the planet without issue, and at 2.4L it is only .25Ml per cylinder small than the famous (tongue in check) TD5.

Make your own decision, but I say Go For It and enjoy mighty PUMA....;)

[PAT303]

Mine has 2600km's on it already and I've only owned it for 2 days,impressed with the motor and gearbox and ahem,it gets to it's 135km/hr speed limit very easily. pat

[n plus one]

Mine's a 2009, just coming up on 50k.

Only meaningful issues to date have been new halve shafts/flanges and seals - done under warrranty after I raised whfelt was excess drve train lash.

Sundry issues include: paint around windscreen, paint on roof join, passenger door not staying open (needs to be done again) and a loose rear view mirror.

There's a recall for the transfer case/handbrake to be done.

Not much all up really. I'm happy and would buy again.

A good dealer is worth their weight in gold.

[KarlB]

MY Puma 90 came in with the first batch and was purchased by me in March 2010. I have now done 36,000 km. Had a transfer case oil leak after about 6 months. Presumably this is the same leak that is now subject to recall. Other than that only a few very minor things (eg re-gluing one of the rubber door seals).

Cheers
KarlB

[Symo]

Had a td5 and other than having the gearbox removed, reconditioned and eventually replaced ( could never select 2nd gear) it was a great bus. Has it's share of LR personality I.e door seals that don't, no turning circle, grove in my left shin at about the same Hight as the hand break lever. Did about 80k before I sold it ( biggest mistake of my life). It never let me down. Loved the car and loved the bonnet vents, even when I forgot to close them and hat water wash my cd,s out of the slot. Oh yes, let's never forget the frozen left knee is summer when I was foolish enough to have the ac on... But I miss her so much.....

missing the old girl for so long and still waving to defenders drivers as I passed them in my Holden I though I can't wait any longer. I rang up my loacal LR stealer said how much for a new 110. $53 k drive away was the immediate response. I said I.ll give you $51k for a silver one and offered my credit card for the deposit. Deal was done that quick.

It's been a year now and the puma, warts and all is so much a better car. I can get 2nd ( gearbox is beautiful...... ) door seals still don't and the groove in the left shin is still a perfect fit. My cd stay dry on deep crossings but very sad to loose the vents. Ac and heater WORK. No, not a typo... My daughter in the rear seat asks me to turn it off as it's too cold in the car in summer..... A defender.... Hmmm..

Hand break drum is a little lower... Ehhhh what do you do? More steal in the car, miss the visible welds inside the doors... But I love the car.

Problems? 20k on it's had a few.... Windscreen motor was a dud - replaced under warranty. Engine mcu was a suspected dud - replaced under warranty ( was actually a symptom of some wiring I did.... Errrrr sorry land rover). Traction control and abs lights keep coming on... Been back and forth to the dealers about 5 times for this. It's there now in fact. It's a sneaky bug but they still have 2 years and 80k plus to fix it, they will. They give me a loan car and all the free e,tag usage I can eat so I'm not complaining and I always get the defender back clean....

No complaints. Love driving the car, love driving her with ease where other cars with similar after market mods to her fail to proceed and love watching the big monsta trucks scream and bounce their way up hills with all the good ol' boys high fiveing at the top of the hill while the defender just walks it's way up the hill past them as they slap each other on the but. I just smile and nod and go on my way.......

Yes it's a sad thing. Td5 is brilliant for all the things that make it great, puma is brilliant too.... Which is better... Hmmmmm. I think the puma if for nothing other than a working heater......

Sorry. I'm off to the lav with some tissues and a LR book..... Hmmm

[Rosco]

Thanks for the replies fellas.

If I decide to go down this road ... which is becoming more likely by the day ;), how similar are the 2?
i.e. What bits that I've added to the TD5 will go straight on a Puma?

Bullbar ?
Towbar ?
Steering guard ?
I would expect roof racks etc wouldn't be a problem, nor would the rear draw, luggage barrier etc.

[newhue]

[QUOTE=Rosco;1522676]Thanks for the replies fellas.

If I decide to go down this road ... which is becoming more likely by the day ;), how similar are the 2?
i.e. What bits that I've added to the TD5 will go straight on a Puma?

Bullbar ? yes
Towbar ? yes
Steering guard ? yes
I would expect roof racks etc wouldn't be a problem, nor would the rear draw, luggage barrier etc.correct /QUOTE]

[PAT303]

I had a good look at mine today and I'm impressed at the level of detail LR have done as far as retaining the pipes,wires,tubes etc on the puma model.The engine bay is full of retained componants and heat shielding,guarding is everywhere and the chance of wires,pipes rubbing through would be very low,they have done well.The attention to detail in the puma is light years ahead of the Tdi,Td5 and is equal to my L322 Range Rover. Pat

[Beckford]

So, to all you Puma owners.....Any reports or comments on failures or breakdown issues and at what distance travelled would be appreciated. Plus of course any positive comments.

2010 Puma;

No major failures or breakdown issues. 14,800 km. It is a cool car and the best 4x4!

[Phoenix12]

A bit of water ingress..............FIXED

Faulty door alarm and lock (wasnt fitted properly)............. FIXED

Just ticked over 7000kms and I smile every time I hop in it still :)

I have heard all the horror stories, and have been told to expect them to come with more k's, but realistically I am not waiting.

If it happens it will happen - but until that day comes I wouldnt swap it for the world. :D

You wont regret it if you have been through it before, and the new PUMA's are the goods.......... DO IT !

[solmanic]

2007 Puma, 72000kms, no breakdowns or failures.

...but...
A loooong list of minor items and preventative parts replacements by the dealer under warranty. Many of these were also caused by the dealer being clumsy damaging things whilst doing other repairs.

[rovercare]

Gee these are far to many claims for a new vehicle

My old boys 1HD-FTE troopy has travelled 150,oookms, with the only failure was a wheel bearing at abour 130,ooo, this was due to his own neglect, no warranty claims, no niggles, nothing, that's 2 simpson trips, canning, kimberely, cape work etc

Having to go back to the dealers for anything other than servicing with a new vehicle is bad, let alone more than half a dozen times!

[Disco_owner]

Gee these are far to many claims for a new vehicle

My old boys 1HD-FTE troopy has travelled 150,oookms, with the only failure was a wheel bearing at abour 130,ooo, this was due to his own neglect, no warranty claims, no niggles, nothing, that's 2 simpson trips, canning, kimberely, cape work etc

Having to go back to the dealers for anything other than servicing with a new vehicle is bad, let alone more than half a dozen times!

oh no , this sounds like a Toyota Vs Landrover debate in the reliability department :D:p

[rovercare]

oh no , this sounds like a Toyota Vs Landrover debate in the reliability department :D:p

Mass debate?

just facts, I still don't think I could handle having to be on a first name basis with a dealership due to continual warranty work on a new car:(

[PAT303]

Mass debate?

just facts, I still don't think I could handle having to be on a first name basis with a dealership due to continual warranty work on a new car:(

Never took my Tdi back for warranty and it's still going strong today 13 years later,maybe your dad should buy a D4D and see if the same applies,a carton says it doesn't.I drive a 1HD-FTE regulary and IMHO it's the best engine tojo ever made. Pat

[rovercare]

Never took my Tdi back for warranty and it's still going strong today 13 years later,maybe your dad should buy a D4D and see if the same applies,a carton says it doesn't.I drive a 1HD-FTE regulary and IMHO it's the best engine tojo ever made. Pat

I know quite alot of people that have had good runs from tdis, and your right, a d4d won't experience the same level of reliability, I think the same, I'd like to shoe horn one in a rover, the n/a stuff, 1hz, 2h etc I'm far from keen on, but I've scoured the net and talked to everyone I could and the 1hd-fte's don't fail, although my Isuzu makes more power, his is chipped with 3" exhaust and prob 2l/100km less, it's far from refined

Then again the lr is substantially cheaper, but that's lack of door sealing, rattles etc that come with the style, not mechanical issues, they should be very few and far between,

[eezeetoo]

I've had my 09MY10 Defender for 20 months and 33,000kms - hasn't missed a beat nor had any "issues", large or small. Not even an untoward rattle of any kind. Superb vehicle.

[Goulies]

Does anyone know or have seen any evidence of corrosion issues in the PUMA between the chassis and the body?

[gt4]

2011 defender wagon, done 2,800k's so far, had the remote central locking cease working (due to electrical interference from a roadhouse!) resulting in having to use PUK to get going again. Burning oil, and venting oil via the rocker cover to inlet manifold. Other issues with trim and fit. I own a 1hdfte cruiser as well from new and no problems, the landrover is good for its intended purpose and hopefully warranty will sort out any issues, so i am basically happy but wish the turning circle was a bit smaller!

[wishy90]

My daughters 09 def 90 has done 40k- has had vacumn pump renewed ,ABS & other electrical issues. We have made up a cover to protect the fuel cooler - mounted on LH chassis rail - & re routed the water hoses over top of engine mount. after these were ripped off.
Has just had clutch , flywheel & spigot replaced.
Has anyone had experience with duall mass flywheel failing ?
Has twin diff locks and sure performs well off road

[wagoo]

Does anyone know or have seen any evidence of corrosion issues in the PUMA between the chassis and the body?
There have been a couple of threads on this forum regarding corrosion. Some moron suggested that the vehicles were shipped over from the UK as deck cargo on submarines:mad::wasntme:
Wagoo.

[Scallops]

My daughters 09 def 90 has done 40k- has had vacumn pump renewed ,ABS & other electrical issues. We have made up a cover to protect the fuel cooler - mounted on LH chassis rail - & re routed the water hoses over top of engine mount. after these were ripped off.
Has just had clutch , flywheel & spigot replaced.
Has anyone had experience with duall mass flywheel failing ?
Has twin diff locks and sure performs well off road

No DM flywheel on the Puma. ;) And AFAIK, there have been 3 versions of the clutch due to various issues - mine had a new one (latest) fitted in 2010.

[muddys1]

99860 kms and just over a year old, cant complain bout anything really :)
certainly goes well, just wish it would sound like my old td5 disco....the sound of a td5 is something special.
keep telling my wife, if we win lotto, i'll buy a fleet of defenders...:D

cheers
muddys1

[PAT303]

A hundred K in a year,your getting your moneys worth. Pat

[Hugh42732]

Now I'm not sure if this is the right place but I'm thinking by PUMA you mean the ford 4 cylinder for 07 to current models? Dropped a cylinder that was caused by a broken cam follower that resulted in "a bit of minor damage to the top end" so Land Rover are replacing it under warrenty. Only in the early 40K range and done hardly any heavy work. Can anyone tell me how available these engines are, LR have had the vehicle for over two weeks and no ETA on replacement engine.