MISFUEL COSTING

[kogarah]

I know someone (not me lucky) recently have kind of big trouble with the misfuel problem:

D4 2.7, filled with more than 50% of petrol by his wife and drove back to home. Of course the D4 was died after stopped at .........

Dealer quoted $13400 for repair subject parts shipping times.

I can image this will damage the whole fuel injection system. But just curious about is there any other parts / system will effects by this?

[~Rich~]

At that price it sounds like a new engine!

[mowog]

Nasty bill.

My wife won't put fuel in the D4. Question here is why didn't the missfuel device work?

If it failed then there might be case for this to ne fixed under warranty.

[Sprint]

Heres my shopping list when I have to quote for a CR diesel thats swallowed some petrol:

Fuel filter
Injector pump
High pressure hard line from pump to fuel rail
High pressure hard lines from fuel rail to injectors
Fuel injectors
Rocker cover gasket (if applicable)
Injector seat gaskets (usually a copper gasket)
Injector to head seal o-rings
Fuel return line/manifold (some are fragile, Ford Rangers are one that springs to mind)
20L of diesel

dont always use everything, sometimes you can get away with just draining the tank, but its not the best idea....

[Disco4SE]

Nasty bill.
Question here is why didn't the missfuel device work?



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[Beamin]

It might be worth suggesting he check with his insurance company. Some policies cover damage from misfueling or bad fuel, some don't. No harm in asking.

[DBKDISCO]

Insurance companys pay this type of stuff up, I have them pay serval times, we see this alot where I work

[101RRS]

Can someone please explain what this "mis fuelling" device is on the D4 that supposedly stops you putting in petrol instead of diesel?? but doesn't seem to work too well.

Is this thing that only allows small hose nozzles into the filler? If so then it is no use at the garages I use because the hose nozzles are all the same size except for high speed truck diesel which has a much larger nozzle.

Thanks

Garry

[kenl]

At your regular city / retail service station the diesel fuel nossle is slightly larger than the petrol ones, being larger it rests against a pair of stops in the misfueling device when filling. The petrol nossles however go past the stops and hit a "trigger" that causes a flap to close off the filler neck. The flap is bright yellow and will usually push the nossle out of the tank when triggered. If one is to persist, the fuel can still be trikled past the flap even without reseting it (special tool provided with every new car to reset it)

[Disco4SE]

Interesting info kenl...........however not foolproof.
Bought my wife a new diesel BMW in 2006 and she has never put fuel in it. This is the only foolproof way......take away the idiot factor.......only joking.
Can you tell that my wife doesn't read this forum :D
Cheers, Craig

[kogarah]

It might be worth suggesting he check with his insurance company. Some policies cover damage from misfueling or bad fuel, some don't. No harm in asking.

I am waiting for his feedback from AAMI.

[stig0000]

Nasty bill.

My wife won't put fuel in the D4. Question here is why didn't the missfuel device work?

If it failed then there might be case for this to ne fixed under warranty.

no chance,, the miss-fuel WILL NOT stop you from puting petrol in the tank,

it will only HELP stop it from happning,

wev had heaps of cars come in at late with wrong fuel, and 9/10 dident even no what the yellow flap ment, (even tho it clearly marked read hand book??) and had no idear how to use the reset tool( hand book again) , read your hand book people,, its in there, and it will save you in this cases thousends of $$$$, or just spend that extra second to cheack you have the right pump;);)

allso, if one dosent follow the bulliten for wrong fuel,( say just drain the tank and refill it) if later on down the track you have a failuor on eny part of the fuel sys, LR warrenty will say no deal,

[mowog]

I guess its problem that will never go away...

I always look twice anyway... Given that I have 2 Diesel cars my biggest risk is putting diesel in the Cooper S

[stig0000]

Yer i cant lie.. iv been close but found out on the second cheak :p allso watch kids dont come around and swap over the nozzels ...

[Dorko]

I've tripped the safety on my D4 up north, however it was a actual diesel pump. No idea why this pump was smaller then normal, but it triggered the blockage straight away. The bloody down side it sprayed me with fuel and then the pump cut off, as it thought the tank was fuel.

From my experience I would be very surprise how you could still fill the car with the blockage triggered. Fuel sprays immediately causing the pump to cut out as it thinks the tank is full.

Dorko

[101RRS]

Back to the original post - was the quote of $13k done after any diagnosis of just the usual replace everything whether it needs it or not and make the customer pay.

I certainly accept that major damage can be done when petrol goes in but also I have an acquaintance who almost completely filled the tank with petrol and drove off earlier this year and his costs were only about $1400 being the cost to flush the system, injection pump etc and replace filters etc and his is still running quite well with no issues.

So while I accept major damage may have been done - without some sort of diagnosis who knows, it is not always a given - get a second opinion.

Garry

[ADMIRAL]

At your regular city / retail service station the diesel fuel nossle is slightly larger than the petrol ones, being larger it rests against a pair of stops in the misfueling device when filling. The petrol nossles however go past the stops and hit a "trigger" that causes a flap to close off the filler neck. The flap is bright yellow and will usually push the nossle out of the tank when triggered. If one is to persist, the fuel can still be trikled past the flap even without reseting it (special tool provided with every new car to reset it)

Didn't work on mine. With the variety of fuel nozzle colours, and no consistency across the nation or between the different fuel providers, it only a matter of time, particularly at dusk in a strange servo...and you're in a hurry...or it's raining... or someone is talking at you. No idea why it didn't work, and I received no explanation from LR. I have removed it now as part of the fit for the long range tank. Once bitten...........you will only do it once !!

[kogarah]

The latest update is AAMI will cover the costing.

[Casper]

I've had this conversation with MANY employee's SEVERAL times in the past and the same thing every time seems to come up,

LACK OF TRAINING.

Doesn't matter if it is you wife, son or daughter, your apprentice or a worker you have had for 20 years, if they are not informed then they will stuff up.

I honestly mean no offence to women though my experience so far is that they seem destined to do it if they drive 2 vehicles that use different fuels.

Regardless of whether they are the same type make or model or completely different (other than trucks and tractors), they seem to go to the same pump every time not considering the type of fuel.

It's almost like everything runs on petrol as far as they are concerned.

No offence intended to any guys either though the guys that have done it in my experiences were mostly concerned about how they looked, what the score is of their favorite ball sport team was or if the gym will still be open when they get there, car guys rarely in my experience do anything like that.

Women were mostly apologetic and concerned with what they did wrong and the guys of course did nothing wrong until you prove they did and then just want you to fix it in an unreasonable amount of time.

This by all means is not across the board, not everyone or all trade/workplaces are the same and I may have worked with some not so mechanically minded individuals but it is just my experiences.

As for the quote, I think If that's what LR are going to charge then that's how much it costs, they hold the warranty and that's the cost of owning a new car these days.

This is why I have 2 D1's, 1 V8 on gas and my Tdi.

I'd like to see anyone wrong fuel the Tdi with an LPG nozzle of any brand.

[Sprint]

Back to the original post - was the quote of $13k done after any diagnosis of just the usual replace everything whether it needs it or not and make the customer pay.
Depends on the workshop, doing it by the book means replacing everything in my shopping list on page 1, half sensible workshops will replace what needs replacing and thats it.....

I have an acquaintance who almost completely filled the tank with petrol and drove off earlier this year and his costs were only about $1400 being the cost to flush the system, injection pump etc and replace filters etc and his is still running quite well with no issues.
It varies from vehicle to vehicle as to how much damage is done, the local police hilux paddywagon has been misfuelled several times to the point where the workshop staff treat it as a joke, and one of my trade customers had a 2008 prado DRIVEN in after being driven ~100km with approx 80% petrol..... it blew white smoke like you wouldnt believe, ran rough and noisy, but once its tanks and lines were flushed, it was as good as new

i also know of a near new colorado that had the same thing happen, sent the pump and injectors off to the local diesel injection specialist for testing, and that was it....

[games1]

Hi, interesting thread. Have a mate who runs company BMW X5's and he has misfuelled on several occasions. Reckons just put in 2 stroke oil and then drive to workshop and drain, clean etc. Has not had any ongoing problems although if you go by the BMW regime it would be a very expensive fix.