D4 Dies after first service....VERY unhappy camper!

[Rockylizard]

Gday...

I provide the following copied from an email from a friend who has recently bought a new D4 - has always been Toyota Prado owner previously ....

QUOTE:
The first annual service located an oil level sensor that has to be replaced next week (thereby already surpassing the number of parts replaced on the Prado in 8 years!.....). And when I picked up disco, the reduced performance warning was on. So I pulled over, shut down and restarted. Caution gone.
15 km later - death rattles from engine, full acceleration (under closed throttle), masses of smoke and Christmas tree lights on panel (self soiling itself!) . Stand on brakes to slow engine, then it shut down so I rolled to a stop on a side road. In Ashwood - otherwise known as Axemurdererville.
Won't restart on a few attempts - one-press starter just keeps winding!
Landrover 24 hr assist put me on hold for 15 mins so I then try another start, which works so I limp 2 km to brother's place - during which it self oiled twice. I was prepared to put it in N and happily watch as it beat itself to death!
So it's gone on the truck (smokin' and stinking of oil and sulphur) and I'm on the train to get a loan car (anything that isn't British please!) and head to Sale, having missed two meetings this morn.
I hope that when it gets to LR it self combusts and burns down the dealership and all stock, so partially removing this scourge from the earth and saving many other owners from 'enjoying' LR ownership and 'service'!
UNQUOTE.

Any assisting comment please :(
Cheers
John

[SuperMono]

Only assisting comment I can offer is that this sort or failure happens to every brand of vehicle at some point.

Business contact was brave enough to order a Saab, first day the engine warning indicator came on, phoned the assistance line: 'faulty sensor - drive home and bring it in tomorrow'.
1 seized engine later, maybe the sensor wasn't faulty after all.

[d3syd]

Only assisting comment I can offer is that this sort or failure happens to every brand of vehicle at some point.



True. Had to happen to a happy Tojo owner of all things.......

[TerryO]

I guess he was lucky that his poor brother lived in Axemurderville, as he put it, otherwise he could have been in real trouble. :angel:

One could reasonably expect that when he decided to buy a new 4x4 that he test drove a new Prado given how happy he was with his old one. That being the case then the D4 obviously won the sale because he considered it to be a superior vehicle so he moved on from Toyota and now one break down later he wants to have a dummy spit because of a warranty issue that will be fixed by the distributor.

Well thats life things break down all the time even when new, maybe he should focus more on why he personally chose to buy a LR and not another Toyota and just get on with life.

cheers,
Terry

[Redback]

Not good at all, I was going ask if there was petrol put in the tank rather diesel, but I read it again and noticed an oil level problem, seems it wasn't a faulty guage, obviously knowone checked the dipstick maybe:eek:

Was it a 3.0l or 2.7l D4??

Baz.

[Rockylizard]

-SNIPPED-

Well thats life things break down all the time even when new, maybe he should focus more on why he personally chose to buy a LR and not another Toyota and just get on with life.

cheers,
Terry

Gday...

Sorry - I caused confusion. I (and he I guess) was only seeking suggestions on what the 'wise heads' on here may have to suggest from experience so that when the squealer rattles on that it was only a 'minor' thingy he is at least armed with pertinent, experienced reflection.

He knows why he chose the D4 ....

Cheers
John

[Rockylizard]

Gday...

It's a 3.0L HSE D4

Cheers
John

[Geedublya]

Sounds like it was overfilled with oil at the service.

[discowhite]

its a land rover thing, he's obviously not LR worthy, our D4's are that good! they can judge if you are worthy or not:cool:

cheers phil

[Graeme]

Sounds like it was overfilled with oil at the service.
I wonder if the faulty oil level sensor reported that the engine was grossly overfilled.

[Rockylizard]

I wonder if the faulty oil level sensor reported that the engine was grossly overfilled.
Gday...

Can I perhaps hazard a completely uninformed guess - could the oil level sensor have indicated "oil level full" after they serviced it (and they did not check whether they had put oil in) and the problems were insufficient oil?

Cheers
John

[Ean Austral]

Sounds like a classic case of why all engines should have dipsticks..

( am I right that the 3.0l has no dipstick )



Cheers Ean

[Celtoid]

He's a Prado owner....I don't believe a word he says.....;)

On his point about the one sensor failure being more parts replaced than he needed to in 8 years with the Prado......being an owner of a 3.0l D4 and having driven many Prados off and on road......I'd live with a few sensor changes.....LOL!!! :D

But seriously folks....

Is it possible that he didn't check the oil level at all when he picked the car up? As Ean Austral queried, yes the 3.0L has no physical dipstick and you can't check the oil with the in-dash monitor when the engine has been running, without waiting for 15minutes or so. If you check the oil cold, chances are it will tell you there has been an overfill...even if there hasn't.

So, it may have had no oil at oil or way too much and he would have been unable to tell....if he tried at all.

With regards to the type of failure you describe, I don't know enough about the engine to say which way is more likely. Would you get a restart, in fact several after seizing through there being no oil?

I understand his concern, that if the engine is still able to run and LR just fill it up and say, it's OK, no damage done....how do you fight that?...crappy position to be in.

At the end of the day, good practice or otherwise, legally the onus is not on him to check the oil or the serviceability of the car, LR have just carried out the service, it's their responsibility....it has to be! You'd think they'd be on the hook for a new donk, but I doubt that they will take that lying down.

That probably hasn't helped at all......sorry.

Hope it works out.

Kev.

[edddo]

no dipstick...is that right?

[D4disco]

The thread title is misleading since it was the first "annual" service, nothing was given to say what kms travelled that year.
Speculation about oil is not really helpful, as there is nothing in the thread to say the problem was an oil issue in origin. Even if an engine over-fill, D4 hand book page 211 shows that warnings are given for oil too high and failure of oil level monitor itself, and for oil too low.
The thread is unhelpful with its emotional reference to "Christmas" lights. Hand book page 156 is clear on how to read engine warnings, including the 3 grades of warnings. Had there been an overfill both service-mechanic and driver would have had the lights and the chimes, so may be the post needs a few facts to help us start assessing possibilities .
Comment might have usefully focussed on why the sensor needed changing since the thread implies no monitor failure warning was present prior to service.

[kenl]

I agree with D4DISCO, when I first read the original poisting it all seemed a bit suspect to me (smells of a troll).
I then thought back to my next door neighbours parado that 2 weeks ago locked up on road in front of our house. 2 days later it was recovered by toyota and 4 days after that they said nothing was wrong? (the parado is 16 months old with 60K)
Some real facts without all the drama queen stuff would be helpful, if in fact it all happened as per the origanl post?

[Graeme]

Speculation about oil is not really helpful, as there is nothing in the thread to say the problem was an oil issue in origin.
Who's trying to be helpful? Its a guessing game as to what might have caused such an event if it occurred at all. Furthermore, a diesel engine revving by itself after an oil change where the old oil can be removed without draining the sump and the oil level relies on a sensor which was said to be faulty, an overfilled sump is a possible cause. However the story may well be the result of someone trying to discredit the 3.0 engine.

[Rockylizard]

Gday...

I have been a member of this forum for over a year and have found the information that comes from the 'wise heads' has been incredible - good depth of thought, drawing on experience - either their own or those they know - sensible wit delivered with good humour and generally a very good forum.

I am astounded at the responses this thread has received.

It seems the main response has been - "wake up stupid ex-Prado owner", "D4s have problems, live with it", "this thread is just BS and setting up D4 3.0L motor", "he should have checked the oil before he drove off" "Christmas tree lights - check the Owner's Manual dummy" ......... etc etc.

I find it unbelieveable the tone of dismissiveness and defensiveness of you all - it is so out of character to what I have seen from this forum.

I am sorry I asked. I guess I will just go back to being a 'watcher' and not try to get info.

John

[connock]

If the engine ran away by itself and was blowing a lot of smoke ? It may be a turbo seal , this will pump sump oil into the intercooler and engine will then start running off this oil and you generaly cant stop it :( the engine may still be OK
new turbo and of coarse a intercooler flush

connock

Just a thourght

[ozscott]

Agree John. I have also been accused of being a troll - only on the d3/4 board though...

I wonder if the responses from some but not all to your thread reflect the digital nature of some d3/4 drivers. Get with the real world people - whilst the d4 is a technological marvel they have more than their fair share a problems and the 3.0 has now quite a number of horror stories attached to it in it's short life. If you get a good one fantastic - never look back. Watch out if there was an away game and yours was built on a Friday (or on a Monday after the cup final).

Many of the responses to this thread are very unroverlike and some just smack of the author having blisters on both hands.

[ozscott]

Thanks for being roverlike Connock!

Cheers

[Ean Austral]

Gday...

I have been a member of this forum for over a year and have found the information that comes from the 'wise heads' has been incredible - good depth of thought, drawing on experience - either their own or those they know - sensible wit delivered with good humour and generally a very good forum.

I am astounded at the responses this thread has received.

It seems the main response has been - "wake up stupid ex-Prado owner", "D4s have problems, live with it", "this thread is just BS and setting up D4 3.0L motor", "he should have checked the oil before he drove off" "Christmas tree lights - check the Owner's Manual dummy" ......... etc etc.

I find it unbelieveable the tone of dismissiveness and defensiveness of you all - it is so out of character to what I have seen from this forum.

I am sorry I asked. I guess I will just go back to being a 'watcher' and not try to get info.

John


Where as I agree with some of what you say, and I have read some shocking roastings people have gotten for comparing a D4 to a LC 200 or complained about a D4 problem, I think you need to re-read your original post..

I dont see anywhere in that post a ask for help or reason's why this may have happened or what the un-happy owner ( and fair enough he should be) should know before he gets a response from L/R.

All I read was a vent of frustration and a why the hell did I buy a L/R to start with post.

As I have said some of the comments recieved are out of place, but it wasn't the greatest way to ask for help..especially the burn the thing and the dealership to the ground part

My view of course, and am sure some will dis-agree.

I hope he gets the D4 sorted.

I personally wouldn't buy a 3.0l D4, for the reason I said.NO DIPSTICK..

I have seen trawlers loose fishing time because of electronic Cat engines that have an oil senser failure and wont let the engine be started, not much help in the middle of the ocean..

Cheers Ean

[rovercare]

Gday...

I have been a member of this forum for over a year and have found the information that comes from the 'wise heads' has been incredible - good depth of thought, drawing on experience - either their own or those they know - sensible wit delivered with good humour and generally a very good forum.

I am astounded at the responses this thread has received.

It seems the main response has been - "wake up stupid ex-Prado owner", "D4s have problems, live with it", "this thread is just BS and setting up D4 3.0L motor", "he should have checked the oil before he drove off" "Christmas tree lights - check the Owner's Manual dummy" ......... etc etc.

I find it unbelieveable the tone of dismissiveness and defensiveness of you all - it is so out of character to what I have seen from this forum.

I am sorry I asked. I guess I will just go back to being a 'watcher' and not try to get info.

John

Good reply, I've read this and many others with dismissive rubbish when it comes to facts, passion obviously blures their vision, more like full blown cataracts!

When will people realize it's unacceptable to have these issues, I'd be right ****ed off if my new car died regardless of make, but yet being a disco he should accept that?

Anyway, sounds like a run on, I'd be demanding a new engine, even if it still runs, after having oil in the intake it can have wonky conrods

Now another fact he should just accept aside from the long turn around without his car, is the likely work could end up with the body off, so now his brand new car is likely to be split by the apprentices in the workshop, yay!

Anyhow, tell your buddy to accept it then become so anal about the mark he to can payout on others for being Toyota owners and any fault is completely acceptable on his 90k car

[Tombie]

QUOTE:
The first annual service located an oil level sensor that has to be replaced next week (thereby already surpassing the number of parts replaced on the Prado in 8 years!.....). And when I picked up disco, the reduced performance warning was on. So I pulled over, shut down and restarted. Caution gone.
15 km later - death rattles from engine, full acceleration (under closed throttle), masses of smoke and Christmas tree lights on panel (self soiling itself!) . Stand on brakes to slow engine, then it shut down so I rolled to a stop on a side road. In Ashwood - otherwise known as Axemurdererville.
Won't restart on a few attempts - one-press starter just keeps winding!
Landrover 24 hr assist put me on hold for 15 mins so I then try another start, which works so I limp 2 km to brother's place - during which it self oiled twice. I was prepared to put it in N and happily watch as it beat itself to death!
So it's gone on the truck (smokin' and stinking of oil and sulphur) and I'm on the train to get a loan car (anything that isn't British please!) and head to Sale, having missed two meetings this morn.
I hope that when it gets to LR it self combusts and burns down the dealership and all stock, so partially removing this scourge from the earth and saving many other owners from 'enjoying' LR ownership and 'service'!
UNQUOTE.




I'd prescribe a dose of HTFU... :p

Over dramatic, and full of crap....

Good luck detecting the level Sulphur in modern diesel.... What a clown :eek:

Sorry mate, every brand has issues.... I'd bet the service did something wrong causing run on....
But no need to get so over the top.....

Yes, its frustrating - but to compare in such a rubbish manner is silly.

Sounds like the turbo may be playing up and feeding oil into the engine. There were some problem turbos - maybe one slipped through.

[DiscoWeb]

Gday...

I have been a member of this forum for over a year and have found the information that comes from the 'wise heads' has been incredible - good depth of thought, drawing on experience - either their own or those they know - sensible wit delivered with good humour and generally a very good forum.

I am astounded at the responses this thread has received.

It seems the main response has been - "wake up stupid ex-Prado owner", "D4s have problems, live with it", "this thread is just BS and setting up D4 3.0L motor", "he should have checked the oil before he drove off" "Christmas tree lights - check the Owner's Manual dummy" ......... etc etc.

I find it unbelieveable the tone of dismissiveness and defensiveness of you all - it is so out of character to what I have seen from this forum.

I am sorry I asked. I guess I will just go back to being a 'watcher' and not try to get info.

John

I partly agree John,

Seems natural reaction by many is to defend the honor of the D4/D3 etc and discredit any thread that says things are not all good.

However the original post did not give a lot of detail and was pretty dismissive of every LR product as a result of this problem, which as far as I am aware is an isolated one for D4's.

I do recall reading somewhere on this forum about diesel engines running away and self combusting due to oil seal problems (i think) where oil keeps flooding the engine causing it to run away and basically blowing them selves up.

Your mates managed to stop and then re-start a couple of times so does not sound like that.

Will be interesting to see what the problem was, LR issue or dealer service issue?

I for one have never actually checked my engine oil or other fluid levels before I leave a service, perhaps foolishly making the assumption that they would have done the right thing. On the odd occasion I have checked within the next few day at home but I see no onus on anyone to check before driving away.

The lack of dipstick in the 3.0 on the other hand seems to be a case of technology for technology sake and the fact you need to wait 15 min blah blah blah simply means very few people will ever check their engine oil.

If the post is a rev up/troll so be it, who cares we are only preaching to the converted on this site.

If it is a real issue then I am interested to hear what caused the issue and what is the result.

[Redback]

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that the 3.0l has NO DIPSTICK:eek: what dipstick thought that was a good idea.

I reckon someone at the dealer has done something, I'd be asking some questions that's for sure.

Hope he gets it sorted.

Baz

[Tombie]

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that the 3.0l has NO DIPSTICK:eek: what dipstick thought that was a good idea.

I reckon someone at the dealer has done something, I'd be asking some questions that's for sure.

Hope he gets it sorted.

Baz

Not uncommon Baz...

Lets face it, how many urbanites even know what an engine looks like in a modern vehicle... Only dipstick in many modern vehicles is located in RHF Seat :cool:

It has an electronic sensor, and a procedure not unlike the same one used on my Dry Sump Motorcycle...

Your transmission doesnt have one either - remember ;)

When I do oil changes on the bike, its a case of fully drain and then add a precise measured quantity of oil to replenish.

[Celtoid]

I don’t read all the D3/4/RRS threads but on the ones I’ve read and contributed to, I’ve NEVER once seen people deny there are issues with these vehicles…..not once! Not saying it doesn’t happen but I just haven’t seen that as a theme, contrary to other’s suggestions.

I’ve seen plenty of people, including myself (rightly or wrongly), venting their frustration at the following:
· Blatant Brand or model knockers
· The ill-informed making inflammatory statements
· Trolls
· The “I know or heard of a guy crew”…..you know, people that have never really had anything to do with the model or Brand, acting on hearsay
· Oh and of course people who suggest that the D3/4/RRS forum members are defensive… J

I’ve seen threads where it appears that people are getting a pizzling over their comments but if you weather the storm, you’ll see that it is usually caused by folks making bold statements about things they nothing about…as in, they haven’t done their homework and go shooting off.

I’ve seen plenty of posts (the vast majority) helping the uninformed (which often includes me), when there is a genuine question there to be answered…..plenty.

I’ve also seen a few people getting pizzled when it ‘looked’ like they were Trolling…..mistaken identity…in one instance I unfortunately jumped on one of those. But in my defence, it was a third party who started the thread and it was a pretty uninformed statement…..so uninformed it looked like a Troll. L

Honestly, there are plenty of people talking about the issues of all of those models (in fact, some are quite scathing of their own purchase) but it helps nobody to suggest that there are more problems than there really are, or the problem is more of an issue than it really is. Conversely it doesn’t help to cover up either…nobody is suggesting that! Owners and prospective owners deserve to be informed and it doesn’t help them when they have to trawl through emotive mis-information.

I’m sure most folks have heard all the LR Brand jibs but it serves nobody if they are based on rubbish and hearsay and maybe it’s worse when that is perpetuated by Brand owners. Now if anybody thinks that is a ‘defend LR (or D3/4/RRS) at all costs’ statement, you need to read it again. I’ve had a compressor problem, a turbo replaced and a few other freakin annoying squeaks and broken bits, that I have been more than happy to share with this forum. Does that bother me? Of course it bloody does…it seriously craps me off. Should it be covered up? Hell no, LR need to keep lifting their game…and I do believe that they really have. But let’s stick to the facts; let’s not lose them in BS or emotive rants or Green Monster knocking sessions.

It was difficult to get any reliable (reliability) info on the D3 when I was looking to buy because there was so much knocking and emotive crap floating around. I depended on the good folks of these forums to help me make my decisions. With the issues I have, would I buy another D4?….hell yes!

Obviously, sometimes it’s unintentional….just the way people write things, or it comes across.

But if folks kept it genuine (supply as many facts as possible…for diagnostic purposes) and didn’t hit on the above bullet points, I’d wager there would be very few of these break-downs in communication….but some might ask….”where’s the fun in that?…LOL” It will never happen J

For the record:
· The removal of the Dipstick in the 3.0L is a pain (IMOHO). When I can check the oil (as in met the required timeframe, etc) I forget and when I can’t….’cause the engine is cold or has just run, I remember… L Consequently my oil gets checked way too infrequently.
· Knocking Toyotas, in my book, is fair game… ;-)

Cheers,

Kev.

[Celtoid]

Agree John. I have also been accused of being a troll - only on the d3/4 board though...

I wonder if the responses from some but not all to your thread reflect the digital nature of some d3/4 drivers. Get with the real world people - whilst the d4 is a technological marvel they have more than their fair share a problems and the 3.0 has now quite a number of horror stories attached to it in it's short life. If you get a good one fantastic - never look back. Watch out if there was an away game and yours was built on a Friday (or on a Monday after the cup final).

Many of the responses to this thread are very unroverlike and some just smack of the author having blisters on both hands.

I'm gonna have to call you on this one..."the 3.0 has now quite a number of horror stories attached to it in it's short life"......Outside the turbo issues that many have talked about for the 3.0L?...and I wouldn't exactly call them horror stories? Pry do tell? The one that started this thread is certainly up there....no doubt about it....but what others?

[Disco4SE]

I have one of the first D4 3.0 built in October 2009. After 66,000Klm's she still purs like a kitten.
Have had the oil & filter changed every 12,000Klm's and will continue doing so :)
Cheers, Craig (one of the many happy ones)

[TerryO]

Sorry Rocky I disagree with some of your comments about the responses. I invite you to go back and read your original post, it was never a question or request for assistance rather it came across as a giant whinge and put down of Land Rovers by your mate.

I believe if there had been a reasonable question about what might have gone wrong rather then what looked like a cut and paste of a dummy spit from some where else then the responses would have been very different.

I have read many of your other posts over time and they have always been very reasonable and helpfull without exception. In this instance however it was a case of you got back what you put out.

cheers,
Terry

[multistrada]

G'day Ladies And Gents,
well, I'm the "unhappy camper" – amazed at some of the comments and agree with John and the few other helpful, constructive, rational and calming voices – and I really appreciate some of the witty and clever banter (e.g. Discowhite - I am clearly not worthy and the D4 has judged me - Python-esque! And Celtoid – “He's a Prado owner....I don't believe a word he says.....” very wise! I obviously couldn’t afford a Cruiser at the time!).
My original words were written in an email (on my phone on the train) to some friends who communicate regularly in a dry, perhaps unusual, humorous banter and wasn't intended to be a precise technical debrief on the issue (I'm an aviation senior design engineer and could bore you to tears with pages of analysis! I’ve also raced bikes and cars, on and off road, since I was a teenager so, mechanically, I’m not a “dipstick”.). John posted it for me because I was travelling and hadn’t been online (travel home was delayed by some yet unexplained vehicular problem!). I’m not active with posts, but read a lot – perhaps because of the responses that some people post.

Some Info: as soon as I got onto the roadside assist, in business hours, they were brilliant. And the LR Squealer was also very responsive – loaner Freelander with no questions and offer to truck my car back to my home (200km away). As soon as I get the outcome of the repair/rectification, I’ll post it (so long as you promise not to shoot the messenger…… Or RockyLizard!)

So to answer a few questions (the ones that John hasn’t already):
· No petrol was put in the tank , it has done 22,000km, is 13 months old, and has been serviced at 1 and 6 months health checks, plus been back a few times to rectify “accessory issues”
· I don’t know the nature of the failure/Replacement Oil Level Sensor– they didn’t give me the fault code or the “defect to Board level”. it was picked up in the LR diagnostic and they didn’t have a replacement in stock.
· No Cautions or illuminations prior to the service, nor after (except the “Reduced Performance temporarily) – even when the dieseling/overrun occurred, no lights came on until the engine shut down – and then it was just the (expected) full set that comes up during the start-up – eg everything including hi beam and icing caution
· This isn’t a troll, this happened at 19:17 on 15/8 on high st rd on the downhill outbound after Warrigal Rd. And if it didn’t happen, why would LR be pulling my car down and loan me a Freelander for the week? (are some guys that desperately in denial?!)
· “I'd bet the service did something wrong causing run on....” – No ****, Sherlock?!?!
· this “Clown” must have a big nose and could smell Sulphur. That’s a fact and observation. It happened. Accept it and get over it. Maybe it came from the local rubbish tip or a nearby Crack Lab, but the smell wasn't there before but was immeiadtely after. It was intense inside the car, so it likely came from the event that had just occurred.

I am hesitant to even provide much of this info after seeing some of the comments – I’m expecting to get “he didn’t say how many seconds past 19:17!”. I am active on similar forums for KTM and Ducati – we use the approach of “only post what you would say to the person face to face, with a view to not being punched in the face” Again, some of the comments on this thread are helpful and humourous - I’m sure the Administrator/Master would say “ Boys and Girls. Play nice, don’t throw sand and be Roverlike” (a good term)

If this was first problem, I wouldn’t be so concerned nor made such cynical comments (and I’m not an arsonist) – the vehicle, and particularly the motor, is (was?) excellent (although a little quirky in the controls and displays, but nowhere near as “unusual” as my ducati!) but the service, in sales, accessories and service is atrocious. 3 month delivery turns to 6 (too popular!), accessories that were ordered with the car weren’t available at delivery, and one of them, ordered by part number from LR Oz brochures and website, wasn’t available in Oz, accessories falling off due to poor manufacture and fitment and then a 6 week wait for the replacement, features that were briefed during the sales pitch that aren’t actually fitted on this model, probably the worst Users’ Manual I have ever seen, etc.

Expect things like this to happen with all brands? We all know they do, but to what extent and how often? Well I’ve never had a car that had to be towed before, and rarely had any parts replaced other than consumables like tyres, windscreens, etc (and I push some of them pretty hard) and the list for the last 15 years or so reads something like Subaru, Nissan, Datsun, Ford, Holden, HSV, Toyota, Mazda, BMW, Daewoo (!), KTM, Ducati, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda, Gas Gas (multiples on some of these brands) – I like to experience different types and makes and tend not to be one eyed towards a particular brand loyalty – Yep I drove a new Prado and a key factor in the D4 decision was to try something different! Guess I shoulda paid more attention to the JD Power ratings.

Thanks for the constructive bits, keep up the mischievous banter and for those who want to rant – driving a Brit Car will give you plenty of reason to be bitter! Although, it is really an Indian brand now…….(Hey, those last two points’ll get the forum buzzin’ again!!)
Rob

[Ean Austral]

So the original post is some banter between you and some friends, with no ask for help or what could cause this to happen, or , why do you think it happened, and then you and some others are surprised by the fact that it isnt taken seriously and filled with responses of helpful answers..


MMMM Interesting..

Cheers Ean

[PAT303]

Multistrada,I know where you are coming from.Almost 14 years ago I bought my first brand new Land Rover,mate I was beaming,until I took it back for servicing.I still have that same Land Rover today and love the thing but only because I stopped useing LR dealers from looking after it,the only trouble I ever had with it was AFTER a ''factory trained techni/mechanic----monkey played with it.Don't let poor dealer service put you off,find through here a real mechanic to look after your D4 and you'll be smiling. Pat

[Rockylizard]

Gday...

I provide the following copied from an email from a friend who has recently bought a new D4 - has always been Toyota Prado owner previously ....

QUOTE:
The first annual service located an oil level sensor that has to be replaced next week (thereby already surpassing the number of parts replaced on the Prado in 8 years!.....). And when I picked up disco, the reduced performance warning was on. So I pulled over, shut down and restarted. Caution gone.
15 km later - death rattles from engine, full acceleration (under closed throttle), masses of smoke and Christmas tree lights on panel (self soiling itself!) . Stand on brakes to slow engine, then it shut down so I rolled to a stop on a side road. In Ashwood - otherwise known as Axemurdererville.
Won't restart on a few attempts - one-press starter just keeps winding!
Landrover 24 hr assist put me on hold for 15 mins so I then try another start, which works so I limp 2 km to brother's place - during which it self oiled twice. I was prepared to put it in N and happily watch as it beat itself to death!
So it's gone on the truck (smokin' and stinking of oil and sulphur) and I'm on the train to get a loan car (anything that isn't British please!) and head to Sale, having missed two meetings this morn.
I hope that when it gets to LR it self combusts and burns down the dealership and all stock, so partially removing this scourge from the earth and saving many other owners from 'enjoying' LR ownership and 'service'!
UNQUOTE.

Any assisting comment please :(
Cheers
John


Gday...

I now realise how silly of me ....................... I thought the bit I have now highlighted in red (with a sad face) would have solicited some responses of "assistance" - not a long tirade of BS, abuse and comments questioning my integrety.

Of course, hindsight (such a great thing that) tells me that I will never again dare to have anything in my requests that even suggest the slightest discontent with the LR range.

I sure hope I don't get anything wrong with my D3 and want answers from some on this forum.

Cheers
John

[Ean Austral]

Time to eat Humble pie..

My appologies Rockylizard and Multistrada, I never read past the Burn the thing part


Please forgive me:TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow:


Cheers Ean

[mowog]

I have had my D4 for a little while now and it has had its fair share of issues.

I think some people get a bit bent when they have an issue and that's understandable. But I can forgive my D4 for its sins because it is simply a bloody awesome thing to drive. I tow a 3200kg van with it and it is awesome at that as well.

If you can see your D4 looking like this and still love the thing for what it can do then it must be an impressive vehicle.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/750.jpg

[Tote]

G'day Ladies And Gents,
SNIP

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Expect things like this to happen with all brands? We all know they do, but to what extent and how often? Well I’ve never had a car that had to be towed before, and rarely had any parts replaced other than consumables like tyres, windscreens, etc (and I push some of them pretty hard) and the list for the last 15 years or so reads something like Subaru, Nissan, Datsun, Ford, Holden, HSV, Toyota, Mazda, BMW, Daewoo (!), KTM, Ducati, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda, Gas Gas (multiples on some of these brands) – I like to experience different types and makes and tend not to be one eyed towards a particular brand loyalty – Yep I drove a new Prado and a key factor in the D4 decision was to try something different! Guess I shoulda paid more attention to the JD Power ratings.

Thanks for the constructive bits, keep up the mischievous banter and for those who want to rant – driving a Brit Car will give you plenty of reason to be bitter! Although, it is really an Indian brand now…….(Hey, those last two points’ll get the forum buzzin’ again!!)
Rob

Its clear to me that since you own a ducati you are a perfect cantidate to own a Land Rover :D My wife Just bought a Jeep and I've come to the conclusion that Jeep owners are just as odd as LR owners.

I hope the dealer gets it sorted and you don't have too much inconvenience. My D3 was off the road for 12 weeks early in its life because someone screwed a bracket on and pierced the Canbus when they built it.
Regardless of the problems I'd had I'd still rather drive my Rover than a whitegood.

Regards,
PS I had an ST2 as well so that adds to my oddness :p
tote

[Hoges]

Wow, what a great idea for the DIY person..... find a tree with a strong high branch, apply lifting harness, whip off the body, sort out the chassis/running gear problems, then put the body back... you can even leave the spare in place! ... :wasntme:

I do miss the days of (relatively) simple vehicles which were designed for the owner/mechanic in mind. Had I forked out the best part of two years' average wages for a new vehicle I'd be spitting chips and looking at legal action against the servicing agent:twisted:

As for smelling sulphur, the threshold values for the human nose to detect sulphur dioxide and hydrogen sulphide is very low (parts per million) I have no doubt he smelt what he says he did and it could indicate release of sulphur products which did not go through the cats... which raises other worrying possibilities....

[smcshack]

As for smelling sulphur, the threshold values for the human nose to detect sulphur dioxide and hydrogen sulphide is very low (parts per million)

There are only a few ppm of sulphur dioxide in a fart ( and this is the ingredient which causes the stink) and I know I can smell it.

..... .... just thought I'd add some levity to the thread :D:p

[PAT303]

[QUOTE=Hoges;1528823]Wow, what a great idea for the DIY person..... find a tree with a strong high branch, apply lifting harness, whip off the body, sort out the chassis/running gear problems, then put the body back... you can even leave the spare in place! ... :wasntme:

I do miss the days of (relatively) simple vehicles which were designed for the owner/mechanic in mind. Had I forked out the best part of two years' average wages for a new vehicle I'd be spitting chips and looking at legal action against the servicing agent:twisted:

The days of easy servicing finished a long time ago,the D4D cruiser needs a Toyota service tool to change the oil filter and the Puma needs a Land Rover service tool to change the fuel one.Everyone wants a 200kw engine with 600nm of torque but nobody wants to pay for it,more performance=more $$$$. Pat

[multistrada]

mine is the same rimini red colour as Mowog's pic below and I just about had a heart attack when I thought it was mine exploded apart!
cheers, Rob

[Celtoid]

G'day Ladies And Gents,
well, I'm the "unhappy camper" – amazed at some of the comments and agree with John and the few other helpful, constructive, rational and calming voices – and I really appreciate some of the witty and clever banter (e.g. Discowhite - I am clearly not worthy and the D4 has judged me - Python-esque! And Celtoid – “He's a Prado owner....I don't believe a word he says.....” very wise! I obviously couldn’t afford a Cruiser at the time!).
My original words were written in an email (on my phone on the train) to some friends who communicate regularly in a dry, perhaps unusual, humorous banter and wasn't intended to be a precise technical debrief on the issue (I'm an aviation senior design engineer and could bore you to tears with pages of analysis! I’ve also raced bikes and cars, on and off road, since I was a teenager so, mechanically, I’m not a “dipstick”.). John posted it for me because I was travelling and hadn’t been online (travel home was delayed by some yet unexplained vehicular problem!). I’m not active with posts, but read a lot – perhaps because of the responses that some people post.

Some Info: as soon as I got onto the roadside assist, in business hours, they were brilliant. And the LR Squealer was also very responsive – loaner Freelander with no questions and offer to truck my car back to my home (200km away). As soon as I get the outcome of the repair/rectification, I’ll post it (so long as you promise not to shoot the messenger…… Or RockyLizard!)

So to answer a few questions (the ones that John hasn’t already):
· No petrol was put in the tank , it has done 22,000km, is 13 months old, and has been serviced at 1 and 6 months health checks, plus been back a few times to rectify “accessory issues”
· I don’t know the nature of the failure/Replacement Oil Level Sensor– they didn’t give me the fault code or the “defect to Board level”. it was picked up in the LR diagnostic and they didn’t have a replacement in stock.
· No Cautions or illuminations prior to the service, nor after (except the “Reduced Performance temporarily) – even when the dieseling/overrun occurred, no lights came on until the engine shut down – and then it was just the (expected) full set that comes up during the start-up – eg everything including hi beam and icing caution
· This isn’t a troll, this happened at 19:17 on 15/8 on high st rd on the downhill outbound after Warrigal Rd. And if it didn’t happen, why would LR be pulling my car down and loan me a Freelander for the week? (are some guys that desperately in denial?!)
· “I'd bet the service did something wrong causing run on....” – No ****, Sherlock?!?!
· this “Clown” must have a big nose and could smell Sulphur. That’s a fact and observation. It happened. Accept it and get over it. Maybe it came from the local rubbish tip or a nearby Crack Lab, but the smell wasn't there before but was immeiadtely after. It was intense inside the car, so it likely came from the event that had just occurred.

I am hesitant to even provide much of this info after seeing some of the comments – I’m expecting to get “he didn’t say how many seconds past 19:17!”. I am active on similar forums for KTM and Ducati – we use the approach of “only post what you would say to the person face to face, with a view to not being punched in the face” Again, some of the comments on this thread are helpful and humourous - I’m sure the Administrator/Master would say “ Boys and Girls. Play nice, don’t throw sand and be Roverlike” (a good term)

If this was first problem, I wouldn’t be so concerned nor made such cynical comments (and I’m not an arsonist) – the vehicle, and particularly the motor, is (was?) excellent (although a little quirky in the controls and displays, but nowhere near as “unusual” as my ducati!) but the service, in sales, accessories and service is atrocious. 3 month delivery turns to 6 (too popular!), accessories that were ordered with the car weren’t available at delivery, and one of them, ordered by part number from LR Oz brochures and website, wasn’t available in Oz, accessories falling off due to poor manufacture and fitment and then a 6 week wait for the replacement, features that were briefed during the sales pitch that aren’t actually fitted on this model, probably the worst Users’ Manual I have ever seen, etc.

Expect things like this to happen with all brands? We all know they do, but to what extent and how often? Well I’ve never had a car that had to be towed before, and rarely had any parts replaced other than consumables like tyres, windscreens, etc (and I push some of them pretty hard) and the list for the last 15 years or so reads something like Subaru, Nissan, Datsun, Ford, Holden, HSV, Toyota, Mazda, BMW, Daewoo (!), KTM, Ducati, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda, Gas Gas (multiples on some of these brands) – I like to experience different types and makes and tend not to be one eyed towards a particular brand loyalty – Yep I drove a new Prado and a key factor in the D4 decision was to try something different! Guess I shoulda paid more attention to the JD Power ratings.

Thanks for the constructive bits, keep up the mischievous banter and for those who want to rant – driving a Brit Car will give you plenty of reason to be bitter! Although, it is really an Indian brand now…….(Hey, those last two points’ll get the forum buzzin’ again!!)
Rob

….and the rocks just keep getting thrown….. J

Anyway…thanks for the extra info Rob. However, you do realise that what you described actually has nothing to do with the 3.0L engine or the D4, in relative terms? What you have inadvertently done, is supply a perfect example of one of the things that peeves myself and others and gets us accused as being defensive and precious about the D3/4/RRS. I know you didn’t do it maliciously but what you described is a chain of events that could have occurred with any brand, any car, and any engine and now there is a suggestion of negativity towards both the 3.0L engine and the D4. A suggestion that has easily been picked up by others. As has been stated ad-nauseaum (however you spell that?), it’s not about being defensive about the car, it’s about sifting for hard facts that will assist current and possible future owners.

I’ll reverse engineer to try to explain my mad-man rants…. J

If you purchased your D4 3.0L HSE, bought no accessories and had no issues, you’d still be referring to it as ‘excellent’…..right? No rocket science needed there.

So let’s look at the breakdown of issues.



SERVICE
I don’t think you’d be Robinson Crusoe complaining about LR service. It seems a bit of a mixed bag and it’s due to personalities generally….as in work ethic, belief in customer service, etc. However, in reality LR have no monopoly on that mixed bag either. In the past I’ve had absolutely crap service from Holden, Toyota, Peugeot and Hyundai….the last almost culminating in legal action. I don’t know what the fix is. Accepting it certainly isn’t. However, this has absolutely nothing to do with the engine or the D4.

ACCESSORIES
Mate I can’t comment on those, I couldn’t afford any… ;-) It’s extremely unacceptable that the service and product is such low grade but once again, nothing to do with the car or engine.

COMPONENT FAILURE
It’s crap…but it does happen. However, if the sensor was picked up and replaced during the service, with no ongoing issue, you’d still be raving about the car and still, rightfully moaning about the service and accessories.

So what actually happened?……Your car was excellent before the service (or post-service maintenance). So unless it’s a complete coincidence and you have just become the not-so-proud owner of the first 3.0L (reported in Oz…. haven’t read or heard about others) to kill itself, then it appears that somebody in LR screwed up! Brilliant deduction, I know…. ;-)

So when you separate the parts of your concern/experience, what does that actually have to do with either the 3.0L engine or the D4 specifically?…unless I’m missing something, I’d wager it’s got nothing to do with either at all. You could be reading this on a MB, Toyota or Porsche forum.

As I said, completely unintentional as you are understandably hot under the collar about the whole thing but do you see how much of a bun fight this can produce in these forums…other forums and then general reputation. As has been said before, being precious is the last of my concerns….I own a D4 and I really don’t give a flying F what anybody else thinks about it, but I’d like hard facts before I shell out $100K.

Anyway, I was going to chuck in some polar-opposite comments about Engineers and humour (I’m allowed to do that…I work for a large aerospace corporation that’s full of aircraft technical and engineering types (including myself)…..it’s a mixed bag and some would even pass as human)…but thought better of it…. J

Before you burn your D4…can I come down and strip some parts off it?

Mate, hope it all works out. It’s a freakin awesome machine and it’s a shame you have come to think less of it.

Technically, you’ve still never had a car that had to be towed……this is like some other **** crashing into you….somebody else made it happen. J
Cheers,

Kev.

[connock]

OK everyone seems to have kissed and made up ,SO beers allround thanks:D

Connock

[ozscott]

Kev it was limp home, excess smoke and blown turbos - all turbo issues it seems - that I was referring to. More cases than just on this forum.

Good to see this thread pick up.

Cheers

[multistrada]

The update. It was very overfilled with oil during the service, not detected because the oil level sensor was unservicable (or disconnected? pending replacement next week). At some stage it decided to suck up the excess through a breather hose into the inlet and the rest is history - TDV6 says "I have compression and I have oil, I'm goin' for it"!
They are cleaning out the inlet tracts (and turbos? depending on where the breather enters, but I would expect that this was on the LP side upstream of the turbo).
Now "the discussion" with LR begins re the follow on effects on the rest of the system..........
the progression:
:):o:(:mad::twisted: which I hope turns to:)

[Graeme]

As I understand it, the refill requires a specific volume of oil to be added. If the old oil was extracted under vacuum rather than drained, perhaps not all the oil was extracted which then prompted the notion that the sensor was faulty when the specified volume was added because the sensor indicated it was over-filled. If this occurred then a 2nd error was made, being that the oil wasn't subsequently removed via the drain plug to prove that the sensor was faulty. On the other hand, perhaps there was an undetected gross inaccuracy with the measuring equipment.The 3.0 has the advantage of being able to close-off the 2nd turbo on a runaway which could reduce the extent of runaway and subsequent possibility of engine damage, especially if the oil is entering via the 2nd turbo.I am pleased that my dealer uses the drain plug to remove old oil.

[TerryO]

Well on the bright side at least everyone now knows that the problem was caused by human error when the vehicle was serviced. There is no excuse for that and I hope you stick to your guns about having the vehicle repaired without future potential risk to you.

I put my D3 in for some minor warranty work a couple of months ago and while at the wokshop circumstances and the odd human oversight conspired together to cause a number of further mechanical issues with the engine. I politely stuck to my guns and last week I got it back with a brand new long engine fitted at no cost and no arguement and because of the service I got I will be going back to the workshop to get futhrer servicing done as the owner was very reasonable and helpful through out the process. Same goes for the car yard I brought the D3 from they provided a courtesy vehicle through out the whole process.

Good luck with it all.

cheers,
Terry

[Tombie]

The update. It was very overfilled with oil during the service, not detected because the oil level sensor was unservicable (or disconnected? pending replacement next week). At some stage it decided to suck up the excess through a breather hose into the inlet and the rest is history - TDV6 says "I have compression and I have oil, I'm goin' for it"!
They are cleaning out the inlet tracts (and turbos? depending on where the breather enters, but I would expect that this was on the LP side upstream of the turbo).
Now "the discussion" with LR begins re the follow on effects on the rest of the system..........
the progression:
:):o:(:mad::twisted: which I hope turns to:)

See :) Nothing wrong with the vehicle...

Just another example of a ****** in a workshop not taking pride or care in their work... :mad:

Dont feel too bad though - We had Toyota blow up our LV (Hilux) through a simple water pump change on a D4D... They didnt bleed the system and cooked the engine....

And our 2nd LV (My group has 2) just had its 3rd D4D fitted in 160,000km plus a new steering rack, new front arms and joints, new tailshaft centre bearing, new A/C unit, Bullbar re-welded (again), New radiator, new headlight (cracked mount) and new fuse panel (which fell apart).

[ozscott]

Good result. I am very glad it wasnt the truck itself. I dont like the no dipstick idea at all. Interesting to see what the reaction of some mechanics/dealers might have been out of warranty (ie what they could get away with - I dont mean the specific dealer, just dealers in general).

Cheers

[Mully]

What a great thread... :)

Rob I hope they sort this seriousness out with your D4. These forums the world over sadly have the ability to self degenerate and it's not just the Landy ones... always the ones with humans involved. Personally I picked up the vibe/tone of the original post and was saddened to see the troll type comments come through and seriously hope the fix your D4 properly enough to give you full confidence which is always a difficult thing to reclaim once you know it's been pulled to bits.

I worked a lot at Sale and know how reliable your D4 is going to need to be on the long road out there so I sincerely hope this works out properly for you. Not game to ask which dealer you were using but presume a city based one....

Best cheers.

[Geedublya]

Sounds like it was overfilled with oil at the service.


Looks like my over the internet diagnosis was correct. Pity the Tech/mech who worked on it wasn't more careful/thorough but it happens.

[Celtoid]

Kev it was limp home, excess smoke and blown turbos - all turbo issues it seems - that I was referring to. More cases than just on this forum.

Good to see this thread pick up.

Cheers

Hey mate, they are actually two different things. Limp Home Mode is a self protection system that could occur with just about any major failure. It's designed to stop further damage being caused. So it's a design feature not a failure. However, there appears to be a few cases with the D4 where the protection system has been the problem...as in the software flagged a fault that wasn't there. I presume these will get sorted.

The turbo issues have been well documented and covered in numerous places including this forum.....including my own requirement to have a turbo replaced :mad:. There have been various manifestations of the problem...as you stated, blowing smoke and running rough, through to no obvious symptoms at all (like mine....just a miniscule external leak)...I can't remember reading about any causing Limp Mode....but it's highly likely that the failsafe could get triggered.

As to how many there will be.....I guess as many as there were crap turbo's fitted. There could be thousands....but it's all the same fault.

Do you see what I mean?

It sux that this has happened but it's not right to brand a model or engine as being lame when one faulty part has been fitted to one specific built. At this stage, it seems like it's only been the 2009 built. Fingers crossed.

Cheers,

Kev.

[scrambler]

As others have mentioned, I would be deeply suspicious that the "error" in the oil sensor was that it read overfull when the mechanic knew it was fine. Particularly as no error was reported prior to the service...

Lucky (or good design???) that it wasn't worse. And I concur that the dealer and LR need to be held to account for damage that may present in the future. Good luck, and thanks for getting back to us.

Quite a few around here have been psychologically wounded by Toyota drivers :) and the mere suggestion that someone would leave their self-destructing Land Rover and return to an experience of problem-free Toyota motoring stings. Although many of them would only buy old Land Rovers with no electronics at all. I dare say one reason Defender's don't have headlight relays is that Defender owners are suspicious of even that degree of technology.

Mind you the other reason given for sticking with older models is being able to avoid LR dealers...

PS Do check my sig before flaming :)

[ozscott]

Cheers Kev. I WANT LR to sort out the turbo issue - the D4 TT is so close to being the duck's nuts (setting aside tyres which has been gone into many times - for many its not a problem of course). They are miles ahead in tech and design compared to other manufacturers, its just tidying up some lose ends now, hopefully.

Cheers

[Ean Austral]

And a $10 dipstick would've picked up the problem before the car even got started..


Cheers Ean

[PAT303]

Having worked in mechanic shops for many years I'll disagree with a dipstick not letting it happen.If I had a dollar for every time a componant with a full mark,dipstick,sight glass was overfilled or not filled at all my puma would be painted in gold. Pat

[Ean Austral]

Having worked in mechanic shops for many years I'll disagree with a dipstick not letting it happen.If I had a dollar for every time a componant with a full mark,dipstick,sight glass was overfilled or not filled at all my puma would be painted in gold. Pat


I would bet the times that an engine was filled or checked and found to be correct level would far outweigh the times they got it wrong..

Personally I would take an engine with a dipstick every time.

You cant put a number to the lack of human attention factor.


Cheers Ean

[kenl]

maybe.... If the electronic sensor was programed to prevent starting in the first place... the scales would be balanced.. between human error and electronic wizadry.:banana:

I would prefer a dip stick to the current system, but wouldn't have your D3 with a dip stick over my D4 3.0 without one.... in a fit.

And if you had one, you put up with not having the dip stick too, like the rest of the happy owners.:D

PS my first one didn't have a dip stick either, and I still bought another D4 3.0:p

[Ean Austral]

maybe.... If the electronic sensor was programed to prevent starting in the first place... the scales would be balanced.. between human error and electronic wizadry.:banana:

I would prefer a dip stick to the current system, but wouldn't have your D3 with a dip stick over my D4 3.0 without one.... in a fit.

And if you had one, you put up with not having the dip stick too, like the rest of the happy owners.:D

PS my first one didn't have a dip stick either, and I still bought another D4 3.0:p

Fair Call, and you may be right

PS After trying to get a V12 Cat engine to start in the middle of the ocean due to a failed oil level sender,. and the computer not allowing it to start, and not having the override software onboard, believe me its not something you would want on your D4..

Cheers Ean

[DiscoWeb]

PS After trying to get a V12 Cat engine to start in the middle of the ocean due to a failed oil level sender,. and the computer not allowing it to start, and not having the override software onboard, believe me its not something you would want on your D4..

Cheers Ean

Ean,

Perhaps if you had one or two of those reliable toyota engines in your boat that would not have been a problem :wasntme:

George

[Ean Austral]

Ean,

Perhaps if you had one or two of those reliable toyota engines in your boat that would not have been a problem :wasntme:

George


Yeh, could put about 12 of the 4.5ltr V8 together and we may get it to move :p

The V12 cat wasn't in my boat it was in 1 we had to tow to get it somewhere where parts and a computer could be flown in..

My K series Cummins does me just fine, simple with no electronic wizardry, and best of all...IT HAS A DIPSTICK.:p:p:p

PS, with the 1000ltr oil tank we have onboard, we may have enough oil to keep the Toyota's topped up...


Cheers Ean

[Celtoid]

maybe.... If the electronic sensor was programed to prevent starting in the first place... the scales would be balanced.. between human error and electronic wizadry.:banana:

I would prefer a dip stick to the current system, but wouldn't have your D3 with a dip stick over my D4 3.0 without one.... in a fit.

And if you had one, you put up with not having the dip stick too, like the rest of the happy owners.:D

PS my first one didn't have a dip stick either, and I still bought another D4 3.0:p

You've already owned two D4s....?

[kenl]

:angel:

[Celtoid]

:angel:

Please explain? :)

[reubsrover]

Well with any luck he'll get to drive one while the other is in at the dealers getting fixed, then he can just swap them over...saves him having to drive the dealer's Freelander around:wasntme:

[Busman]

What a great thread... :)

Rob I hope they sort this seriousness out with your D4. These forums the world over sadly have the ability to self degenerate and it's not just the Landy ones... always the ones with humans involved. Personally I picked up the vibe/tone of the original post and was saddened to see the troll type comments come through and seriously hope the fix your D4 properly enough to give you full confidence which is always a difficult thing to reclaim once you know it's been pulled to bits.

I worked a lot at Sale and know how reliable your D4 is going to need to be on the long road out there so I sincerely hope this works out properly for you. Not game to ask which dealer you were using but presume a city based one....

Best cheers.


I also had a read through some of these posts.
Mully you are bang on, with your comments.
Some are so blind sighted !!:angel:
Usually the same punters.
I could say more, but l know it would create a rampage of replies.:D

[kenl]

Please explain? :)

I was offered a good trade in price.

And i wanted a few options not on the first one, as I bought that one off the list and didn't order it from the factory.

[Celtoid]

I was offered a good trade in price.

And i wanted a few options not on the first one, as I bought that one off the list and didn't order it from the factory.

Nice....

I'm trying to convince my wife that mine needs renewing, since it was an Aug 2009 build.

Can't print her response......:)

[stig0000]

ever since you serviced my car;);)

[John W]

Just had a read of all this, big thanks to all the contributors very entertaining, dipsticks & irony; just got to love us landy owners.:clap2:

[multistrada]

thought I'd add the (hopefully!) final update on this thread. They cleaned it all out, assured me that it would be fine and cause no long term problems, and I'll wait and see. Unfortunately, the car stunk of old burnt oil, both inside and out, for about two weeks whenever it was left sitting in the sun or locked in Garage. Not a desirable point for a hundred grand, leather interior.......
anyway, every chance I could, I've aired it with open windows and the smell has subsided and perhaps gone away. Hopefully a hot summer won't bring it back, because there is some residue somewhere.
Now, how about the poor fitment of the roof rails! simple job that I should have done myself.......:(

[Graeme]

Hmm...
The following is from the disco3.co.uk site. Of note is the reference to potential oil pull-over and subsequent engine damage.




Just found this on TOPIx:

Reference: SSM49357

Models: Discovery 4/Range Rover Sport

Title: 3.0 TDV6 Engine Oil

Category: Engine

Last modified: 10-May-2011 00:00:00

Symptom; 401000 Oil System Concerns

Content

Issue: Clarification on engine oil specification applicable to 3.0 TDV6 derivatives.

Cause: Incorrect engine oil specification being used in some Markets.



Action:

The engine oil used in 3.0 TDV6 must be to specification WSS-M2C934B (ACEA A5/B5/C1). Land Rover recommends Castrol Professional Powerflow C1 5W-30 especially for vehicles fitted with DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) as this engine oil is specially formulated to minimize ash build up.

For non DPF vehicles ONLY, engine oil to specification WSS-MSC913B (ACEA A1/B1) may be used. Land Rover recommends Castrol SLX Professional C1 5W-30. It is permitted to use an alternative to Castrol as long as the specification stated above is met. The grade of oil used must be 5W-30, there can be no deviation from this viscosity. Failure to use a 5W-30 viscosity engine oil meeting the above stated specification will have a significant effect on the bearing shells which may cause irreparable damage to the engine.

NOTE - It is imperative that when the engine oil is drained from the sump during routine service work and replaced, the correct amount of engine oil is added to the engine as follows - 3.0 TDV6 Engine oil service fill with oil filter change 5.9 litres – Maximum. Therefore it is essential the correct amount of engine oil is measured prior to filling.

Failure to follow the above instruction will compromise the engine breather system, potentially resulting in oil pull-over and subsequent engine damage

[jonesy63]

I wonder how LR Australia will handle claims on this - after "dealers" use whatever oil they have at hand? Like the Darwin Mitsubishi dealership that also does LR cars - and use Valvoline 15W40! Good luck up there! :angel:

[multistrada]

thanks Graeme:)

[outbacktourer]

My last dealer service said Castrol Magnatec Professional 15W40. Should I be worried?

[CaverD3]

Quote the above and get them to change it.