2.2 Puma vs 2.4 Puma

[cal415]

Hi All,
not sure if anyone here can help me with this yet but i am looking to purchase a 130 puma in the next few months but this whole 2.2 "Upgrade" is putting me off buying a new one, 2.2(even 2.4) seems to small for a big 130.

What i would like to know is what are the performance upgrades for this new motor like, i know its not out yet but isnt this the same motor the freelander currently gets? I plan on trying to squeeze as much power out of the 130 without killing it and going smaller just doesnt make sense.

Also does anyone know the timeframe for when we stop receiving 2.4's, if i order a new one say in 2 months or so will i still be able to get the 2.4? when is the cut over date? I like the idea of getting the latest, and would really like leather interior(apparently an option coming with the new motor) just scared off by the 2.2

Thanks,

Mick

[PAT303]

Never driven the 2.2 but the 2.4 goes pretty good,plenty of chip/IC/exhaust upgrades for it too.Ring around the dealers and find out who has a 2.4 130 and buy it. Pat

[JDNSW]

Hi All,
not sure if anyone here can help me with this yet but i am looking to purchase a 130 puma in the next few months but this whole 2.2 "Upgrade" is putting me off buying a new one, 2.2(even 2.4) seems to small for a big 130.

What i would like to know is what are the performance upgrades for this new motor like, i know its not out yet but isnt this the same motor the freelander currently gets? I plan on trying to squeeze as much power out of the 130 without killing it and going smaller just doesnt make sense.

Also does anyone know the timeframe for when we stop receiving 2.4's, if i order a new one say in 2 months or so will i still be able to get the 2.4? when is the cut over date? I like the idea of getting the latest, and would really like leather interior(apparently an option coming with the new motor) just scared off by the 2.2

Thanks,

Mick

Your dealer should (but probably won't or can't) tell you when the old model will cease being available - but it will depend not only when the new ones first start coming in, but when they manage to sell all the old ones, which in turn will depend on how good they were at guessing future sales volumes six months ago!

Also, don't count on all models and options advertised being available here - this is particularly likely to apply to things such as leather interiors.

John

[chuck]

I beleive they start manufacturing the new model years in September.
This applies to all Landrovers.

You should be able to get MY12 in late 2011.

Regards

[wagoo]

I'm biding my time till they bring out the 1.6 in 1948. Oh hang on,where am I? Who moved the steering wheel over there in the middle?:eek:
Wagoo.

[the_prof]

I ordered a 110 in late May of this year, and was informed by the dealer that it was built last week. So that is 16 weeks from order to factory output. I would guess, therefore, that ordering one now would turn out to have a 2.2l engine in it, if the new model starts manufacturing from September. Better try and source a floor car from somewhere in Oz......


I believe they start manufacturing the new model years in September.
This applies to all Landrovers.

You should be able to get MY12 in late 2011.

Regards

[cal415]

Thanks, anyone seen any new 130s in there local dealerships? any color other then white!! preferably silver or grey.

[stig0000]

we dont have one :( there to expensive to have lieing around, we do have one of them bronz 90:angel: we could do a deal on a big tralor for you:D

[PAT303]

Perth had a weld back and alloy tray back three weeks ago,the weld back was mine until I switched to the X-Tech. Pat

[KarlB]

Try Lennock Motors in Canberra (02 62507203). Pretty sure I saw a 130 twincab when I went past earlier this week. Justin Cornock is the man to ask for.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Pilbara130]

Look on carsales.com grey one on there just have to find a tray.

[VladTepes]

Given (I gather) power and torque figures are the same there's no reason the 2.2 would be any worse than the 2.4 I wouldn't think.

[cal415]

Whats wrong with LR dealers??? I called around a bunch of places, most couldnt care less about the defender, hardly any wanted to do a deal with me on the price, just quoted RRP then told me they cant really move much if any on price, i even got into an arguement with the dealer here in newcastle because i asked for a 130 with HCPU tray, which he told me they didnt make!?? In the end i won that arguement when he finally decided to check himself. Land rover really need to sort out there dealers.....

But on advice from here to talk to Simon at Bryce Lyntons on the gold coast it looks like i have secured my self a 130, In silver, to be built in november, arrival sometime in dec or january... and it will be a 2.4 :)

Regarding the same power output, i would like to see a dyno chart across the entire rev range, same peak power is not the same as power at any RPM. Also i would much rather trust 2.4L to do the job then 2.2L, well i would rather trust the 3.2L version... but thats not going to happen.

[newhue]

Whats wrong with LR dealers??? I called around a bunch of places, most couldnt care less about the defender, hardly any wanted to do a deal with me on the price, just quoted RRP then told me they cant really move much if any on price, i even got into an arguement with the dealer here in newcastle because i asked for a 130 with HCPU tray, which he told me they didnt make!?? In the end i won that arguement when he finally decided to check himself. Land rover really need to sort out there dealers.....

But on advice from here to talk to Simon at Bryce Lyntons on the gold coast it looks like i have secured my self a 130, In silver, to be built in november, arrival sometime in dec or january... and it will be a 2.4 :)

Regarding the same power output, i would like to see a dyno chart across the entire rev range, same peak power is not the same as power at any RPM. Also i would much rather trust 2.4L to do the job then 2.2L, well i would rather trust the 3.2L version... but thats not going to happen.

Good work, I bought mine through Simon. He will do as much for you as he can. While you are spending it, grab a set of original floor mats, they fit and work well. Of course you can screw LR to compensate you when it's in the work shop for too long. Hopefully that wont happen for you.

Last week I drove two turbo'd 3.9 Isuzu Parenties. As far as I could tell my Puma did all the Parentie did just at higher revs. So'd I guess a 2.2 will be the same just higher reving again. I do recon though, as they ring these motors necks for more power, longevity is being compromised.

Good work cal, look forward to the pic when it arrives.

[PAT303]

The LR waterproof seat covers are good too,$400 out of the UK but they fit perfectly. Pat

[cal415]

Yep, longevity of the 2.2 was a concearn for me too, as it is with the 2.4, but if anything major happens once its out of warranty hopefully the ford rangers with 3.2s will be common enough to find a donnor car or TDV6's in wrecked D3s are a little more common.

I like the look of the defender mats, do you remember how much they set you back? Pat Do you have any pics of the seat covers?

My plan at the moment is once the car comes, i will strip the interior, hurculiner(or similar) the interior, add some heat proofing/sound proofing to the under side of the floor panels and firewall, Add a roof console, add icom400 pro, replace stereo with something bluetooth capable and of reasonable quality, add some better speakers, replace the front seats with some nice recaro's or similar(might take a while for that one) put a water tank under the rear seat box, modify the rear seat mounts so it can tilt back a little further, fit child restraint and kids seats, make a storage box across the floor in the rear as it will be only little kids sitting in there, tint the windows,add black checker plate to gaurds maybe bonnet tub rear quarters etc, add some custom sliders, add a bullbar not sure which one yet, put on my HID converted lightforce, put on a winch, upgrade the intercooler, loose the cat, get a BAS remap, disable the EGR, put on my 255-85s, i also plan to replace the rear diff with a salisbury some time down the track being a 130 with no ABS this should be fairly easy, when i do it will get the D60/35spline treatment, i also baught a d1 recently as my daily driver, it has F/R jac mac lockers and upgrade axles/CVs, hopefully i can fit these in the front :)

[Loubrey]

Just a thought... Puma refers to the engine developement project of the 2.4 Transit engine (changing the dual mass flywheel etc). The new dash and other pretty things just came as a bonus.

The 2.2 should therefore have a different project name? Is anyone aware of a new name for these 2.2's?

[cal415]

Jason, thanks for pointing out the floor mats for me they look good, just had a conversation with Simon and he is including some for free! He has done me a good deal, knocked a large ammount of the price and giving me some freebies... cant complain about that :)

[Tusker]

Just a thought... Puma refers to the engine developement project of the 2.4 Transit engine (changing the dual mass flywheel etc). The new dash and other pretty things just came as a bonus.

The 2.2 should therefore have a different project name? Is anyone aware of a new name for these 2.2's?

The Freelander Defender :D

Regards
Max P

[Drover]

Jason, thanks for pointing out the floor mats for me they look good, just had a conversation with Simon and he is including some for free! He has done me a good deal, knocked a large ammount of the price and giving me some freebies... cant complain about that :)

Nice work Cal,

Land Rover rubber mats for the front and rear of PUMA are worth about $500.00.

Gota be happy with that....

[isuzurover]

Given (I gather) power and torque figures are the same there's no reason the 2.2 would be any worse than the 2.4 I wouldn't think.

Peak power and torque are one thing. What about at lower revs where you need it in a 4x4.

I have driven a 2.4. It felt great at high revs and the 6-speed is nice, but there is no comparison to the torque down low in a 4BD1 (even NA!).

[cal415]

Nice work Cal,

Land Rover rubber mats for the front and rear of PUMA are worth about $500.00.

Gota be happy with that....
NICE! Never realised they were that expensive! but honestly how much would it cost to make some moulded rubber mats? 20 dollars? :)

[PAT303]

The Freelander Defender :D

Regards
Max P

Different engine sorry;). Pat

[PAT303]

Cal415,I got the seat covers from Rimmer Bros in the UK,ordered them sunday night online and they were at my door friday afternoon.Puma's aren't noisy and the floor mats do soak up alot of noise,mine being the X-Tech has wrangler muddies on it and they are the loudest part of the whole car. Pat

[newhue]

Cal you think the ribber mats are made cheap and sold for a lot. Price up some genuine wing tops. Make sure your sitting on the couch so you don't hurt yourself when you fall over.

Mate I can understand your enthusiasm to change bits and bobs, and you know your way around Landies. But I'd let the car bed in 15, 20, or 30K before you change anything. They are dam expansive to fix, and having your warranty revoked for something you may know had no affect, but LR see it differently can be a lesson not needed.

The trouble with a Puma as I see it, is they haven't really come up with a common problem. Everyone seems to get what they get. And I'm sure glad I didn't pay for the troubles I had with mine at the start. Perhaps a remap or ERG removal may have changed the circumstances significantly.

just some food for thought.

[PAT303]

The mats are exxy but they are good,my Tdi's are 13 years old and are still going strong. Pat

[Tusker]

Different engine sorry;). Pat

Are you sure?

I'm quite prepared to backpedal & retract, wouldn't be the 1st time, but I thought this was the joint Peugeot etc FL2 engine turned north/south.

Happy to be proved wrong

Regards
Max P

[cal415]

Exactly what i was thinking, im my previous experience LR wernt all that great cover my D2 because of the "offroad use" so i was thinking of keeping it simple to start with, interior and stereo mods etc till 20k then i might start looking at the more major stuff, the BAS remap tombie sells looks good, can flash it at will and it disables the EGR :)

With the diffs, i dont think it matters when i do them as they will get all new internals so LR wont cover them anyway and i will probobly get decent money for the stock items that come out. Either way i would have a lot more confidence in those diffs then the stock items...

[tempestv8]

I can imagine why Land Rover would produce a smaller capacity engine in countries where the road taxes are directly attributable to the swept capacity of the engine, i.e. smaller capacity engine = lower taxes.

Having said that, I noticed that the VW Amarok is equipped with a 2.0 litre 4 cylinder turbo diesel, and the Amarok is not a small truck by any stretch of the imagination.

[PAT303]

Are you sure?

I'm quite prepared to backpedal & retract, wouldn't be the 1st time, but I thought this was the joint Peugeot etc FL2 engine turned north/south.

Happy to be proved wrong

Regards
Max P

The freelander engine is the PSA/LR engine were the defender 2.2 is the Ford duratorque Transit engine. Pat

[Loubrey]

The engine in that Amarok is the one out of the European Golf GTD (diesel Gti). It is has an insane amount of torque for a 2 liter engine (170PS or metric horsepower and deep in the 400Nm's torque on the European spec one). It's apparent all to do with the super high pressure fuel injection. Driving it nicely (and unloaded) it is rumoured give you 20km/liter or 5liters/100km at a steady 120km/h :eek:

Australia and America is really the last bastion of big engines and Europe is completely moving towards small high spec ingines that are essentially disposable and can be 95% recycled at the end of it's reasonably short expected lifespan.

Obviously this sort of thinking is no good out here, but unfortunately R&D is done with those parameters in mind.

[PAT303]

The thing that gets me is you ask any van owner about towing vehicles and they all say big engines are best,the 200 series being the pick but then they go out on the open road and sit on 80 because they can't afford the fuel. Pat

[muddymech]

bit late now cal but there is a green 130 sat a dealership in narrellen, also a black 90 and the usual mix of discos and rangies
ian

[digger]

Nice work Cal,

Land Rover rubber mats for the front and rear of PUMA are worth about $500.00.

Gota be happy with that....

They cost about $500, they're worth about $50!!!:angel:

[PAT303]

Rubbish,mine still haven't worn through. Pat

[d90td5]

NICE! Never realised they were that expensive! but honestly how much would it cost to make some moulded rubber mats? 20 dollars? :)

Hi Mick

I'm on my second set of mats, worn a hole through the drivers one in each set but kept them in the shed as spares. So I just attacked them with some large tube patches. Worked a treat and good or another 5+ years, they are fantastic, fit perfectly, easy to clean an shake the sand off.

When do you get the new beast?

MJ

[cal415]

Should be flying up to brisbane later this week, just trying to line up a way of getting to maroochydore from brisbane then driving it home, so hopefully should have it for next weekend but i dont want to bring it on the beach run, need to run it in a bit first :)

[c.h.i.e.f]

Mick don't go the icom! Go with GME I hav had all brands and currently have the icom can't remember what model it is at the moment the one that is all in the hand piece ...and on average the GME is the best....
As for egr I don't know what affects it has on the computer being all electronic controlled but tombie will know??

As for driving the isuzu perenties were these army owned or sivilian ?

[juddy]

Strange when LRA did not even know anything about the new 2.2 Defender coming out, I was only talking to bruce Lyton about this a few weeks ago, and they had never heard that this was happening, so much so, a number of people, both there and Oz wide ordered a 2.4 Defender, but will get. 2.2 Defender instead, with no warning from there dealer. The next build for Australia is later this month, so these will be 2.2's. There's still a large number of 2.4s out there at the dealers, seems a lot of 90's and a few 130 chassis cabs.

[cal415]

Matt, the Icom is the best... 400pro or the comercial version, with the programing cable you can crank these up to 35-45watt out put power :)
EGR can be turned off the in tune, i am thinking about getting a Bell Auto services tune with the flash unit, to flash the stock tune, stock minus EGR and tweaked tune at will.

Yes, when Simon told me about mine, he told me he had others to inform but thought there opinion would be different to mine and they would be happy to have the 2.4.... to motor itself sounds good just the DPF sounds like a bitch of a thing.

[101RRS]

I find the power and even torque to be incredibly low for a 2011 vehicle - 90kw and 360nm just does not cut it. A vehicle of this size and load carrying capacity needs at least 120kw and over 400nm.

Great suspension - but the rest of the Defender needs to move out of the 1950s and into the 21st century.

Garry

[cal415]

One thing about the puma i noticed is it doesnt have very high peak power but the power it does have is available across a very broad rev range by comparison to my prado which apparently had 114kw(i think) stock but the puma goes way better stock. But i would glady buy a 3.2TDCI motored puma over the 2.4 if it was an option, or even better a TDV6 or TDV8. I will be keeping an eye out for a 3.2 once i get the puma just in case i ever need a motor swap or want to get some more power out of it.

[Bush65]

It is quite easy to increase the power and torque of a diesel with the right turbo and tuning. Turbos have improved over later years, hence why (IMHO) later engines of similar or smaller displacement to the TD5 give better performance.

Obviously when greater torque is needed at a time when conditions don't allow the boost to build enough, a small engine will be at a disadvantage compared to a larger displacement engine of similar technology.

[isuzurover]

... But i would glady buy a 3.2TDCI motored puma over the 2.4 if it was an option, or even better a TDV6 or TDV8. I will be keeping an eye out for a 3.2 once i get the puma just in case i ever need a motor swap or want to get some more power out of it.

Does the 3.2 have the same bellhousing bolt pattern?

It must have a larger bore/stroke than the 2.4, as a 5cyl version of the 2.4 would be 3.0.

[cal415]

Does the 3.2 have the same bellhousing bolt pattern?

It must have a larger bore/stroke than the 2.4, as a 5cyl version of the 2.4 would be 3.0.
Im not sure, but i would love to find out, it would be good to find some diagrams showing dimensions etc to compare with the 2.4 to see if its even able to fit length wise without to much butchering. I havnt really found a good source of info on these motors, Wikipedia has a good bit of info, but lacks a lot of the details i am after.

Ford Duratorq engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CodeYearsDisplacement (bore x stroke)/TypePower@rpmtorque@rpmZSD-4202000–20011,998 cc (1.998 L; 121.9 cu in) (?x?) I4115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)280 N·m (210 lb·ft)ZSD-420 (Duratorq TDDi)2001–20021,998 cc (1.998 L; 121.9 cu in) (?x?) I4130 PS (96 kW; 130 hp)330 N·m (240 lb·ft)ZSD-420 (Duratorq TDCi)2002-1,998 cc (1.998 L; 121.9 cu in) (?x?) I4115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)285 N·m (210 lb·ft)ZSD-422?2,184 cc (2.184 L; 133.3 cu in) (?x?)155 PS (114 kW; 153 hp) I4355 N·m (262 lb·ft)ZSD-422 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,184 cc (2.184 L; 133.3 cu in) (?x?) I485 PS (63 kW; 84 hp)250 N·m (180 lb·ft)ZSD-422 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,184 cc (2.184 L; 133.3 cu in) (?x?) I4115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)300 N·m (220 lb·ft)ZSD-422 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,184 cc (2.184 L; 133.3 cu in) (?x?) I4140 PS (100 kW; 140 hp)350 N·m (260 lb·ft)ZSD-424 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,402 cc (2.402 L; 146.6 cu in) (?x?) I4100 PS (74 kW; 99 hp)285 N·m (210 lb·ft)ZSD-424 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,402 cc (2.402 L; 146.6 cu in) (?x?) I4115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)310 N·m (230 lb·ft)ZSD-424 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,402 cc (2.402 L; 146.6 cu in) (?x?) I4140 PS (100 kW; 140 hp)375 N·m (277 lb·ft)2.5 (WLC) (Duratorq TDCi)2006-2,499 cc (2.499 L; 152.5 cu in) (93 mm (3.7 in)x92 mm (3.6 in)) I4143 PS (105 kW; 141 hp)@3500330 N·m (240 lb·ft)@18003.0 (WEC) (Duratorq TDCi)2006-2,953 cc (2.953 L; 180.2 cu in) (96 mm (3.8 in)x102 mm (4.0 in)) I4156 PS (115 kW; 154 hp)@3200380 N·m (280 lb·ft)@18003.2 (Duratorq TDCi)2006-3.2L (?x?) I5200 PS (150 kW; 200 hp)470 N·m (350 lb·ft)
ZSD ("Puma")CodeYearsDisplacement (bore x stroke)/TypePower@rpmtorque@rpmZSD-4202000–20011,998 cc (1.998 L; 121.9 cu in) (?x?) I4115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)280 N·m (210 lb·ft)ZSD-420 (Duratorq TDDi)2001–20021,998 cc (1.998 L; 121.9 cu in) (?x?) I4130 PS (96 kW; 130 hp)330 N·m (240 lb·ft)ZSD-420 (Duratorq TDCi)2002-1,998 cc (1.998 L; 121.9 cu in) (?x?) I4115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)285 N·m (210 lb·ft)ZSD-422?2,184 cc (2.184 L; 133.3 cu in) (?x?)155 PS (114 kW; 153 hp) I4355 N·m (262 lb·ft)ZSD-422 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,184 cc (2.184 L; 133.3 cu in) (?x?) I485 PS (63 kW; 84 hp)250 N·m (180 lb·ft)ZSD-422 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,184 cc (2.184 L; 133.3 cu in) (?x?) I4115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)300 N·m (220 lb·ft)ZSD-422 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,184 cc (2.184 L; 133.3 cu in) (?x?) I4140 PS (100 kW; 140 hp)350 N·m (260 lb·ft)ZSD-424 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,402 cc (2.402 L; 146.6 cu in) (?x?) I4100 PS (74 kW; 99 hp)285 N·m (210 lb·ft)ZSD-424 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,402 cc (2.402 L; 146.6 cu in) (?x?) I4115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)310 N·m (230 lb·ft)ZSD-424 (Duratorq TDCi)?2,402 cc (2.402 L; 146.6 cu in) (?x?) I4140 PS (100 kW; 140 hp)375 N·m (277 lb·ft)2.5 (WLC) (Duratorq TDCi)2006-2,499 cc (2.499 L; 152.5 cu in) (93 mm (3.7 in)x92 mm (3.6 in)) I4143 PS (105 kW; 141 hp)@3500330 N·m (240 lb·ft)@18003.0 (WEC) (Duratorq TDCi)2006-2,953 cc (2.953 L; 180.2 cu in) (96 mm (3.8 in)x102 mm (4.0 in)) I4156 PS (115 kW; 154 hp)@3200380 N·m (280 lb·ft)@18003.2 (Duratorq TDCi)2006-3.2L (?x?) I5200 PS (150 kW; 200 hp)470 N·m (350 lb·ft)
Codenamed Puma during development, these Ford 2.0 L, 2.2 L, and 2.4 L engines are called ZSD. They are produced at the company's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Dagenham_assembly_plant in east London.



Its interesting to see the broad range of stated power output figures for the 2.2 and 2.4, it would be nice to know the reason behind different the power outputs considering they are the same motor(displacement/bore/stroke) if its all in the tune or different turbo etc.

The 2.2 doesnt seem like such a bad motor either, just the DPF will likely be an issue.

[cal415]

bugger... it lost its formatting, check it out on wikipedia instead, i also found something interesting regarding the TDv8's while reading on wikipedia

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[PAT303]

One thing about the puma i noticed is it doesnt have very high peak power but the power it does have is available across a very broad rev range by comparison to my prado which apparently had 114kw(i think) stock but the puma goes way better stock. But i would glady buy a 3.2TDCI motored puma over the 2.4 if it was an option, or even better a TDV6 or TDV8. I will be keeping an eye out for a 3.2 once i get the puma just in case i ever need a motor swap or want to get some more power out of it.

Thats right,there's more to a vehicle than it's engine.My Prado has 25 more Kws and two of my friends have worked TD42 Nissans and they all feel sluggish considering there size advantage.The TDCi/Getrag is far and away the best package. Pat

[isuzurover]

Thats right,there's more to a vehicle than it's engine.My Prado has 25 more Kws and two of my friends have worked TD42 Nissans and they all feel sluggish considering there size advantage.The TDCi/Getrag is far and away the best package. Pat

If you take away the engine then you have a pedal car...

I think you mean: there is more to an engine than peak power/torque figures.

[discojools]

I was given a puma on loan while my D4 2.7 was being serviced.. I really thought it went pretty well.. I have a mate with Landcruiser 79 series TDV8 and he has had to put on aftermarket exhaust and has recently chipped it to give it reasonable power. I drove before he did this and I actually thought the puma went a lot better. I was pretty surprised at how sluggish the 4.5 V8 diesel was. He also can't seem to get better than 15ltr/100k out of it.. With a trailer in tow he used twice as much fuel as I did in my d4 also towing from Menindi to Broken Hill!!!

[Loubrey]

My experience as well. In work I get to drive the latest Toyota has to offer and while the brand new 70 Series Cruiser has more torque than your average truck, it's as sluggish as bugger. Really uncomfortable to drive, cheap and nasty feel to the seats and finishings and aircon is a couple thousand extra add on option, and that in the Pilbara! Regardless of the engine size difference, the Defender is just a miles better vehicle to drive, and after recent dealings with Toyota Australia, to own as well. Nothing that fails on a 70 Series (and believe me there is a lot more than they like to admit) is considered waranty by the happy men in Red and white!

The new Prado goes very well on road, but they have become nothing but big RAV's. Power delivery to the wheels is completely "artificial" feeling and it's possibly the worst vehicle I've driven in low range - ever!. Considering it competes in the market with the D4, it is only the foolhardy "Whitegoods" lovers that will pick it over a D4.

[pannawonica]

I just don't understand the 70 series Landcruiser, less than 15/km litre gutless considering engine size and the utes rev 2K at 80 km/h. The troopie version gearing is better about the same on highway as a 2.4 Puma. However driving them they feel that the centre of gravity is just to high, giving strange handling characteristics. Prados just seem to rattle to bits, not as robust as their donor vehicle the Rolux and have you considered the price of these things. I feel totally burgered by driving a rolux , cart springs at the back and just lets not forget about the seats.

[cal415]

Well i have the 130 now, i gota say after a 1000km drive home i am very impressed with the little 2.4, in standard form at almost all speeds it leaves my 1kz prado for dead and makes the TDI seem like a complete dog, pulling up the hills between the gold coast and ballina in 6th gear was a walk in the park for it, out of all the 2.4s i have driven so far this one seems to go the best.

[PAT303]

I gave mine it's weekly Italian tune this morning,125 in 5th,135 in sixth,damn limiter :angel:. Pat

[series3]

What RPM was 5th at 125?

Sam

[PAT303]

A bit over 3k. Pat

[cal415]

fastest i got it going was about 125, handles it well but the XZLs and wind noise was very loud. found some water leaks already, in the floor in the rear corners of the cab, theres nothing sealing them, you can see light, good old defender fit and finish :)

[PAT303]

I'm at Cessnock Xmas time,I'll swap your XZL's for my Wrangler MT's. Pat

[pannawonica]

My rev limiter seems to cut in at different speeds, have you noticed this ?

[Grappler]

I have a Defender 130 HCPU, on order since July and due for delivery next Jan.
I thought I was getting a 2.4 litre motor. The dealer was not aware of any changes to engine specs until I enquired after reading the post on AULRO.
They made some calls and confirmed the motor will be 2.2 and the build changeover is happening this month Sept. Very dissapointing:thumbsdown: since the Puma 2.4 was a critical factor in my decision the order.

What to do? Suck it and see-maybe it wont be too bad- or do I cancel my order. Ill follow the discussion and try and make an informed gamble:huh:

[cal415]

source one already in the country,, theres still a few around in white, and several minus a tray.

[PAT303]

Why not buy the 2.2 and then we can compare,it might be better. Pat

[JohanSwarts]

Just ordered my 2.2 110 SW, will keep you updated on the progress of it. Cant wait.

[TwoUp]

Just a quick on the speed V's rpm on the Puma...... I may just have to go out and check but I recall 3K rpm equals 140Km/Hr wait a second.....

[PAT303]

Yours is faster than mine,it'll only do 135. Pat

[TwoUp]

Pat303,
I have to fess up, that is from a loaner I had prior to purchasing mine. It inspired me though. I will have to check mine as it is newer the one following Using anti-stall in Puma then traction control - YouTube (http://youtu.be/jOb9-5ItWPg) is a 2007 model. I have only been up around or just over the 130Km/hr mark in mine. Did a tank full at that speed and got 11.5-100, so not too bad.

Regards,
PeterW

[pannawonica]

Mine now goes up to 155 like a rattle, its actually alot quicker than my previous Disco TD5 and better on fuel. :D

[scarry]

[QUOTE=Lou and after recent dealings with Toyota Australia, to own as well. Nothing that fails on a 70 Series (and believe me there is a lot more than they like to admit) is considered waranty by the happy men in Red and white!
.[/QUOTE]

We also seem to have this problem with our Hi aces,it seems once you have left the showroom,they just don't want to know you.
I have always found LR the complete opposite.

One thing i do notice with the Puma is how smooth the engine runs through the complete rev range compared with the D2 TD5.But then again this would be expected with a newer designed engine.

[slovenia]

My Mercedes Sprinter have 2.2 cdi, 680.000 km, bruto weight much more than 3.500kg, still going fine.
I buy new DEF 2.2, drivig similar my old Def 2.4 but sound much beter and not so noisy:p

[camel_landy]

FWIW - The new 2.2 is NOT the same as Freelander. It is still a 'Puma' engine.

M

[isuzurover]

FWIW - The new 2.2 is NOT the same as Freelander. It is still a 'Puma' engine.

M

You mean it is still a transit engine.

[camel_landy]

You mean it is still a transit engine.

That's one way of putting it... ;)

[discojools]

My (wife's actually) 2.2 90 goes really well. Very surprised how I can slot it into 6th around 80 kph and it pulls so well up hills and has no trouble sticking to 100kph. Not much happening below 1500rpm though.Rides a bit lumpy though!

[gouldier]

Gouldier here I to have ordered a Defender in December , Its due in April , May hope it is worth the wait

[stig0000]

My (wife's actually) 2.2 90 goes really well. Very surprised how I can slot it into 6th around 80 kph and it pulls so well up hills and has no trouble sticking to 100kph. Not much happening below 1500rpm though.Rides a bit lumpy though!

the 90 is a bit bumpy ride,, very light car tho,, so abit hard to make a solid ride,

iv drivin a heap of 2.2s now and find them alot nicer then the 2.4,, i just hope there way more reliable tho,,

[ezyrama]

Mines only 2 weeks old tomorrow, done 2200k's with a quick trip to Sydney when it was 2 days old, topped 130km/h coming back once or twice and the thing pulls like a freight train. 100km/h 6th gear and it keeps accelerating up hills. I must admit I was a bit apprehensive when Carl, then Simon told me I was getting the 2.2ltr, but now I love driving it. Carpeted the back (pic attached)with 10mm sticky backed rubber under it and it has made qiute a difference. All I have to do now is replace the standard steroe and speakers with some quality gear. I noticed in the manual that the stereo listed has a aux input jack and a USB port, but our local model seems to not get it. I found a FM modulator stereo input module in Coles (of all places) for $7.00, gave it a go and it works quite well with the IPhone. The only question I have is where the heck am I going to put the 2nd battery for the winch, fridge etc..
As for water leaks, Cal there was a thread back in November(I Think) last year, Land Rover have a part number for an upgraded lower door seal that works a treat, they are now fitted standard as when I test drove one, it didnt have the new seal and the daylight through the door seals was questionable, but the special edition model they had on the floor did. I had to tell them what the difference was as they didnt seem to know anything about it.
Cheers Ian

[Loubrey]

Very tidy 90 Ian! Love the look of the carpets, no good for me though as Pilbara dust gets into any car, more so into the Defender!

The battery situation is par for all Defenders, Naks from South Africa recently posted some pictures of 2 batteries shoe horned under the pasenger seat (sure there are many people out there with similar setups on the forum). The trick is to find the correct ampage with a low enough height to slide the cover back.

[ezyrama]

Very tidy 90 Ian! Love the look of the carpets, no good for me though as Pilbara dust gets into any car, more so into the Defender!

The battery situation is par for all Defenders, Naks from South Africa recently posted some pictures of 2 batteries shoe horned under the pasenger seat (sure there are many people out there with similar setups on the forum). The trick is to find the correct ampage with a low enough height to slide the cover back.

Thanks Mate
Will have another look around and see if I can find the thread, vaguely remember reading part of it though.
Cheers Ian

[Naks]

The battery situation is par for all Defenders, Naks from South Africa recently posted some pictures of 2 batteries shoe horned under the pasenger seat (sure there are many people out there with similar setups on the forum). The trick is to find the correct ampage with a low enough height to slide the cover back.


Yeah, the auto electrician had some choice words about the battery box when I went to fetch the landy :D

IIRC, the second battery is a Willard 105Ah deep cycle.


Pics:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/78.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/79.jpg

[isuzurover]

The battery situation is easy to fix if you are willing to spend a couple of hundred at the panel beaters.

You just need to cut out the raised sections of the battery box, replace with flat metal, and then you can easily fit 2xN70 batteries in sideways.

E.g. on an earlier model, these are the bits that need to be cut out:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/LR_PICS/County_parts044.jpg

LR can't have any problem with later warranty claims as it is just a cosmetic/panel mod.

Maybe someone like Rijidij could offer a pre-folded battery tray that can be bolted in place once the old one is cut out??? However what I did is only about an hour's work for a competent panel beater - not including paint.

[uninformed]

2.2.....I think they forgot 1 ltr and 1 cylinder

[TimNZ]

In my 2010 Defender I've moved the original battery tray outboard and forward, this has left heaps of space for another battery, in this case a yellow top Optima. This battery will happily run my 50l Waeco for 2 days, it's now 4 years old and still going strong.

I made up a tray for the Optima, (the battery strap/bar is a non-conductive resin), that mounts the battery as far forward as possible, this allows space for the factory jack. The messy jumble of wires is my, (carefully stowed :whistling: ), winch controller. The battery controller is mounted to the front of the seat box out of the way. The only thing I want to add is a decent set of terminal covers for the aux battery.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/42.jpg

[ezyrama]

In my 2010 Defender I've moved the original battery tray outboard and forward, this has left heaps of space for another battery, in this case a yellow top Optima. This battery will happily run my 50l Waeco for 2 days, it's now 4 years old and still going strong.

I made up a tray for the Optima, (the battery strap/bar is a non-conductive resin), that mounts the battery as far forward as possible, this allows space for the factory jack. The messy jumble of wires is my, (carefully stowed :whistling: ), winch controller. The battery controller is mounted to the front of the seat box out of the way. The only thing I want to add is a decent set of terminal covers for the aux battery.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/42.jpg

Thanks Tim
That's the battery I was thinking of using, I measured it up last night and now it's just a matter of getting time to make the necessary modifications. I already have a large deep cycle in SWMBO'S car running the fridge, but I dont think it will fit. I will have a go this weekend and post a couple of photo's of a clean:cool:battery box.:p
Cheer Ian