Fixed me Black smoke and other things

[400HPONGAS]

Missus was complaining loosing abit of power and the cloud of Blacksmoke on take off from the TDV6 .
Found a 6 inch split in the aftercooler outlet to manifold Hose
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/61.jpg

While I was at it also did the complete EGR block off trick using the BAS kit , goes heaps better now than it ever did , without smoke !!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/199.jpg

Also clean out oil build up in aftercooler
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/04/1264.jpg
Good idea to check your own , if you have a oil lesk from the RHF of engine or you hsve oil on the top bsck of hose, lets the boost go out the split instead of into the Manifold !!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/200.jpg

and while I was at it , fitted some nice slotted rotors and Kevlar pads for under $300 !!!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/201.jpg

[CaverD3]

Good Job. :BigThumb:

Which rotors and pads?
I found the DAB, even normal ones were more than OEMs.:eek:

[400HPONGAS]

Got em of fleabay , Obviously have to have right and left discs if slotted , far superior with the Kevlar Pads than the OEM stuff , lets see how long they last !!!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/193.jpg

[Ean Austral]

Can you tell me what year your car is?

Am interested in the EGR block off you mention.

Are silicon hoses an option for the TDV6, I know the TD5 had a common problem with de-laminating, but yours is a split..



Cheers Ean

[Discophil]

Mine was suffering the same lack of power and black smoke, took it to the mechanic and they advised me of the exact same problem with the intercooler hose. Now fixed, runs like new again.

[~Rich~]

Can you tell me what year your car is?

Am interested in the EGR block off you mention.

Are silicon hoses an option for the TDV6, I know the TD5 had a common problem with de-laminating, but yours is a split..



Cheers Ean

Hi Ean, I see your D3 is an 08 model so unfortunately you cannot blank off the EGR valves as it will bring up an error. 05 / 06 models you can no problems.
Re the silicon hoses:
Discovery 3 & RangeRover Sport 2.7L TDV6 silicone inlet manifold intercooler hose | Diesel performance tuning and economy remap chip tuning for Landrover Defender Discovery TD5 Puma TDV6 TDV8 (http://bellautoservices.co.uk/products/silicone-hose-kits/d3-rrs-2-7l-tdv6/)

[rovercare]

Quite common on tdv6, was out the bush with one that travelled 70k total that had the same, poor mileage, lack of power

[connock]

Had one go on my defender a couple of years ago, in the middle of no were. A beer can cut diagonally to form a spring, then wrap it around the pipe followed by wire then force tape, Got me home no smoke and full power ( if there is such a thing in a defender :))

connock

[400HPONGAS]

Yes mine was a 2005 TDV6 , so No error messages after fitting the BAS EGR Blockoff done 160000K . Wish Id just did the hose first and taken it for a spin to see the difference . Its now 2 car lenghths faster to 100K than the mates 2009 TDV6 . I pulled the Butterfly out of the inlet tract , cleaned out the muck in the Y - piiece and the hardest job was flushing the aftercooler . All worth it ,goes so much bette, ill see how the Fuel consumption goes with a quick spin to Newman and back 2500K tomorrow.

[Mully]

Thanks for that ponga... just had my split hose replaced at around 160 thou also. Haven't done the EGR thing though so will interested to see what your economy comes in at now. Mine averages around 12 but after the hose swap, it sits more like 11.5, marginal but certainly consistently lower... a bit. :)

The D3 certainly flies again... ball joints next.. grrrr.

Cheers.

[400HPONGAS]

Once you have seen a couple of TDV6's stripped down you will see why it so important to Block of that EGR . Should have seen the **** in RichardK's blown TDV6 , not that thats what caused his problem . (A quick cursary look at his / an opinion is that some QA/QC was missing when the Big end collapsed , just like the rod bolts werent torqued correctly even if they are the cracked rod design )

[gazm3]

Ive ordered the BAS Egr kit and silicone hose. Also ordered from britcar the VVT actator service kit, as im going to bite the bullet and fix this as smoke and no low power is not cool, The "engine system fault" only comes on occasionally but it will beat replacing the turbo.

[400HPONGAS]

Good luck mate , Gazm3, where you getting the hose from ?BAS? how much ????
Further to this BAS EGT blocking thing , one mechanic swears that both mine and me mates 2006 with the kits fitted go as well as his 2009 with a remap !!!!!
When you see the amount of restriction/build up in the Y-piece and then add removing the butterfly , it must breathe a ****load easier !!!!

[smwilk]

400phongas, how are your brakes performing? Any noticeable difference from OEM?

[400HPONGAS]

The Brakes , slotted rotors and Kevlar pads do feel alot better , a bit more progressive, not alot of diffrence in Normal Driving , its when you really jam on the Brakes you can feel the diffrence , it seems the ABS comes in ealier as well , Dont know if thats a good or bad thing yet !!!!

[400HPONGAS]

As far as fuel consumption went , a fair bit better than I thought !
at a constant (cruise controlled) 115KPH did 622k for 61.5 Litres by the GPS and tank refill ,Dash Gauge said 9.6 K/100L.(so 10.1 k/litrre)
Upping it to 120KPH got 72 litres for 588kph , gauge said 11.7 L/100 but refill said
12.24 l/100K or 8.16 K/L .For that , I was passing a ****load of Triple and Quad Road trains at upto 140KPH when overtaking .So overall much better than I used to , but it will still chew it up when you push it , as to be expected !!!

[gazm3]

Good luck mate , Gazm3, where you getting the hose from ?BAS? how much ????
Further to this BAS EGT blocking thing , one mechanic swears that both mine and me mates 2006 with the kits fitted go as well as his 2009 with a remap !!!!!
When you see the amount of restriction/build up in the Y-piece and then add removing the butterfly , it must breathe a ****load easier !!!!

yeah from BAS. they are 88uk pounds so not too bad.

Im going to do the following just to freshen up.
* Actuator service kit (LR023086) to free up the VVTurbo actuator (rather than the $5kAUD land rover want to replace turbo)
* Replace the IC hose
* EGR blanking system from BAS.

Also was thinking of replacing the MAP sensor while im collecting parts from the UK.

Anything else I should consider while im spending??

The disco3 is a cracker of a 4wd when its working well. Hope this fixes things and gives me lots of enjoyable motoring. There is nothing worse than a black smoke trail, which is more like coming from a diesel gemini.

Im spewing its not relyable cos was planning the trip to birdsville races, but it looks like its next year. Nevermind.

was also considering when ordering

[400HPONGAS]

A quick reply for those who wanted to Know where I got the slotted rotors from
try
Other // RapidRS.com.au (http://www.rapidrs.com.au/shop/?cid=Other)
Seems the best price on quality "SLOTTED" rotors

[gazm3]

fitted the EGR blank off kit and intercooler pipe the other day. I can see why they remove it, it was like a pack a day smokers lungs when they reach 70yo. Its a pretty fiddly job to put the plates on. If you dont have some decent very long pointy nosed pliers u can forget it. I dropped one of the plates down the passanger side and it took me some time to find it.

Car went very well afterwards, pulled very cleanly, but after an hour or so of driving the actuator again faulted P132B, and back came the smoke and reduced power from 1500-2300rpm.
My actuator kit came today from Britparts (a very reasonable by land rover standards 25uk pounds delivered) so its booked in this Wednesday to have it replaced. Hope the labour bill aint too nasty, but more importantly I hope to hell that it fixes this annoying issue.

[400HPONGAS]

Luckily for me the actuator seems to be fine . Does your engine cycle the actuator each time you go to start it ? Mines does if you give it few second waiting for the Glow plugs from stone cold . (well theres clicks coming from the actuator area anyway , I hope thats the actuator cycling !!!!)
PS . I bought a complete as new Turbo with actuator , ready for the day it ****s itself for an absolute steal !!Hope I never need to change it !!!
PSS Did you Clean out your MAF sensor and Airbox air temp sensor ?

[gazm3]

Cleaned the map but not the Maf or airbox sensor. Isopropyl (circut board cleaner) should be fine to clean these items

[101RRS]

A question to those who have who have put in EGR blanks on their pre 07 2.7s. Most of you have indicated that the EGRs were really carboned up at relatively low km. In your opinion, for us with post 07 engines that cannot have EGR blanks fitted is it worth putting the EGRs on our maintenance schedule to have them decoked at say every 60K or some other suitable interval.

A friend of mine recently had his 130,000km 07 D3 run really bad - no power and running rough - the EGRs had gummed up and had to be replaced - fixed the problem.

Cheers

Garry

[400HPONGAS]

Garrycol ,Its not so much that the EGR pipes from the Exhaust up to the Y-piece are gummed up , because they werent , it is the amount of gumming up in the Y-piece downstream of the Butterfly and the coating of the MAP sensor . The gumming up thats a problem on the post 06's (and probably for the pre-06's !)is at the actual control valve down on the exhaust manifold .Its this valve that sticks then throws up an error because it failed to open in a given amount of time /temp/pressure You would have to see the amount of EGR/exhaust particulates to appreciate how much of this crap is going into the combustion process .
The error that is thrown up on post 06 model , does it actually prevent the car from operating properly ,? without going into some escalation process,is it more of a warning than a shutdown circumstance ?? If its only a warning and doesnt escalate , id rather block the EGR and put up with the warning .(as long as it wasnt a audible warning LOL )

[101RRS]

Thanks for that - I am not sure of the exact reason (yes a fault is thrown up) but all the forums simply state that EGR blanks must not be fitted to 07MY on engines. Have asked on the UK site if there is a system under development and there was a resounding NO.

Garry

[400HPONGAS]

The whole EGR thing is an interesting debate ,whilst primarily its Pollution (Nox) minimising arangement ,it has its advantages on Spark/petrol engines but for CI Deisel engines its debatable .
By feeding the lower oxygen exhaust gas into the intake, diesel EGR systems lower combustion temperature, reducing emissions of nitrous oxides. This makes combustion less efficient, compromising economy and power. Diesel EGR also increases soot production, though this was mitigated in the US by the simultaneous introduction of Diesel particulate filter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:FAP-Filter_Peugeot.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/FAP-Filter_Peugeot.jpg/220px-FAP-Filter_Peugeot.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/5/57/FAP-Filter_Peugeot.jpg/220px-FAP-Filter_Peugeot.jpg.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas_recirculation#cite_note-4) EGR systems can also add abrasive contaminants and increase engine oil acidity, which in turn can reduce engine longevity.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas_recirculation#cite_note-Bennett-5)
It is this last statement that is the main reason to fit the the Block-off kit !

[Graeme]

The error that is thrown up on post 06 model , does it actually prevent the car from operating properly ,? without going into some escalation process,is it more of a warning than a shutdown circumstance ?LR's documentation for the warning light introduced with the 2007 model stated that it was provided so that the driver could be informed of a failed EGR valve so that it could be fixed rather than not know of the problem and therefore not get it fixed. Whilst its not conclusive, the implication was that it was a warning only. UK vehicles will fail their MOT (rego) test if the light is on so blanking a faulty egr valve is not an option. However if blanked at the inlet port (rather than the usual outlet port) whilst the valve is still working, the exhaust gasses cannot foul the valve so it will probably keep working forever.

[101RRS]

My mates post 07MY EGRs failed and he never got a a dash indication just poor power under load (like when trying to back a horse float).

EGRs were completely blocked - when replaced the car's performance was back to normal.

Garry

[400HPONGAS]

The hard part for me is understanding/finding out exactly what condition is not met and how it is detected that actually throws the EGR CEL . Its probably some polling of the actuator return voltages/resistances , whatever , that some inbedded logic says is out of acceptable range . without knowing that its pretty hard to work out how to bypass it , the warning that is , and still disconnect the EGR from the inlet tract.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/179.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/180.jpg

[Graeme]

My mates post 07MY EGRs failed and he never got a a dash indication just poor power under load (like when trying to back a horse float).

EGRs were completely blocked - when replaced the car's performance was back to normal.

Garry
My understanding is that the MY07 update changes were introduced part-way through MY07 production rather than at the commencement, so some MY07s would be the same as MY06.

[sahab_aus]

hey peeps just want to know is that 184000k is too much on 2006 range rover sport 2.7 disel turbo? im thinking to buy of my mate? and one more thing is im driving that car atm and that got little crack on intercooler hose , is that will make big problem if i drive with that crack hose. will change it but gona drive just for few weeks until i make my mind to buy that rover...... thanks in advance

[101RRS]

180k km is not an issue if has been looked after - confirm cam/injection belts have been done. A split intercooler hose is not good and will have to be done immediately but should not be an expensive job.

If the auto fluid has not been changed it will need doing and at the same time replace the auto sump pan with a steel version.

[PeterOZ]

My MY08 D3 has recently started chewing the fuel and pumping out the smoke from take off. I normally get well over 750km to a tank but lately it is just on 600 - 650km. Has been sluggish as well.

Thinking I had better check intercooler hose and sensors. Checking EGR is beyond my ability though and it is still quite a way off needing a service.

I might just book it into MR Auto and get them to check those things.

[PeterOZ]

Forgot to ask but where is best place for parts such as intercooler hose etc? I'm in Brisbane.

[rocmic]

Try M.R. Automotive in Redcliffe. If it is the intercooler hose replace with silicon type.
It should be easy to find the split. Look at the top part of the hose and on the top bend to start with.
Cheers
Mike

[PeterOZ]

Try M.R. Automotive in Redcliffe. If it is the intercooler hose replace with silicon type.
It should be easy to find the split. Look at the top part of the hose and on the top bend to start with.
Cheers
Mike


Mike,

MR have been servicing it for about 18 months now so they know the car. Will have a look at the IC hose after work then give them a call tomorrow.

cheers
P

[PeterOZ]

So firstly checked the MAP sensor, man it was full of gunk to about 1/2 inch on top of it. Cleaned that.


Cleaned out the air filter with the compressor and checked the MAF sensor, it looked pretty good.


Intercooler hose. Could not feel the split but there is oily gunk all over the bottom and half way up it. The bottom cover plate that the bottom of the hose hides behind is also covered in oil.


Spoke to MR Auto and they said sounded like the intercooler hose is split so booked it in for tomorrow morning. Can't complain about that service.



Inside of the throttle body was full of gunk and they said they will give that a flush too.

[PeterOZ]

Rang MR Auto yesterday afternoon and discussed the symptoms, they too thought it sounded like the IC hose had split.

They booked it in for me this morning. Thorough check over and the IC hose is fine - could not fault anything, no fault codes. 2 test drives. All that we can think is that the gooped up MAP sensor may have been causing the problems.

Oh and no charge - WOW great service from MR Auto at Redcliffe!

cheers
Peter

[jonesy63]

Peter - I've found I need to clean my MAP sensor every 30,000 to 40,000 km - to keep it clear.

[Rich84]

I clean my MAP out as well as the y-distributor pipe every service. Would hate to see what it looks like further into the intake manifold...

[101RRS]

Blank the EGRs and the problem goes away :)

[PeterOZ]

what is involved do that that Y gadget? What do you clean it with? any improvement after you do that?

agree about the rest, it would be muck heaven.

[PeterOZ]

Blank the EGRs and the problem goes away :)


I would if i could, its a MY08 so can't do the blanking. BAS in UK have a new product out that contains EGR emulators, a software patch and blanking kit. Not sure of price bnut no one much here knows a lot about it.

Think you used a couple of EGR valves connected to fool the jelly bean machine diddn't you?

[101RRS]

I would if i could, its a MY08 so can't do the blanking. BAS in UK have a new product out that contains EGR emulators, a software patch and blanking kit. Not sure of price bnut no one much here knows a lot about it.

Think you used a couple of EGR valves connected to fool the jelly bean machine diddn't you?

Yes - the working EGRs is basically the emulator.

[Rich84]

what is involved do that that Y gadget? What do you clean it with? any improvement after you do that?

agree about the rest, it would be muck heaven.



It just press fits between the intake manifolds and the intake butterfly housing for the EGR.


Nah no difference, I just clean them because I don't like the idea of so much carbon build up in my intake. If I get adventurous I might remove the top covers of the intake manifold - the bottom half is cast into the valve covers. I'm sure there'll be enough carbon to make a grown man cry...

[PeterOZ]

Would love to see video of that being done.

[PeterOZ]

Fuel economy much improved since I cleaned the MAP sensor. I'm not sure it has as much go as before but I might be just imagining things.

MR Automotive did say that it went VERY well!