Kaymar Rear Bar

[Redback]

OK, a question for those that have the Kaymar rear bar on their D3/4, have you had any issues with the car after having it fitted, due to it's weight?? or anything else.

We are in two minds on whether to get the Opposite Lock single wheel carrier or the Kaymar rear bar and carrier/s.

The Kaymar would be more for protecting the rear of the car than for the wheel carriers.

Baz.

[Ean Austral]

Cant really help with the answer Redback, but I have looked at both myself, and there seems to be alot on here that have had rear parking senser problems when the O/L single carrier has been fitted..



Cheers Ean

[Geedublya]

Kaymar rear bar on mine with dual carriers. Haven't noticed any problems yet. Except maybe higher fuel consumption than others are reporting for D3s.

The bar is certainly well built and I believe it is very strong. I haven't got my rear sensors working yet mainly because I haven't put the effort in.

Dual carriers can be a pain when accessing the rear a lot though, so I am considering removing one when in normal use and only putting the second on when touring. I just have to swap the wiring over to run the numberplate and light the RHS instead of the LHS.

[Owl]

Dual carriers can be a pain when accessing the rear a lot though, so I am considering removing one when in normal use and only putting the second on when touring. I just have to swap the wiring over to run the numberplate and light the RHS instead of the LHS.

Why not just remove the RHS wheel / carrier?

I have Kaymar bar with single carrier. I have the same issues with reversing sensors as do all of rear carriers, but not too difficult to resolve. Can't complain at all about the build quality, though I have had the LED indicator assembly replaced (under warranty) - bar has to come off for this!!

Ian

[rwlse]

It appears to be some major delivery problems.I have had one on order with ARB for two months. And they have just informed me that it will be another month Oh well my D4 can wait.

[NomadicD3]

Hi Redback,
I had the Kaymar rear bar set up with the single wheel and jerry can holder on it fitted and can only reinterate what other have said. I have disabled both the inner rear sensors as even once set to not pick up the rear bar I have found that a few hundred k's of corrugated roads etc and they start picking up something again. Also fuel consumption is up a little, approximately .3 to .5 k's/ltr and delivery was close to 7 weeks despite being told 2 weeks when ordered. Handling is affected a little but it's so slight that it's not long before it's not noticed at all.All that said they are the biggest negatives I could possibly mention and as far as quality and usefulness goes I highly recommend them. Personally I would never set up a vehicle without one now.
Happy travels

[rwlse]

When going though the process of ordering my rear bar ,I spoke to the manufacturer and they admitted that there were issues with the reverse sencers on the D3's but that they had resolved the problem on the D4's.

I have always had a metal rear bumper bar on the back of my cars. Not just to carry the second spare from time to time. But to ensure that when I start climbing a steep hill,I don't leave the bar in the gully.like so many plastic ones do.

[Redback]

When going though the process of ordering my rear bar ,I spoke to the manufacturer and they admitted that there were issues with the reverse sencers on the D3's but that they had resolved the problem on the D4's.

I have always had a metal rear bumper bar on the back of my cars. Not just to carry the second spare from time to time. But to ensure that when I start climbing a steep hill, I don't leave the bar in the gully.like so many plastic ones do.

This is our main reason also;)

Baz.

[rwlse]

Yep. Get a new classic, first trip out you lose the ends of the rear bumper bar.
Following Munday.Into ARB for a rear step.

The one on my LSE has taken a pounding over the years.

Richard.

[weeds]

Yep. Get a new classic, first trip out you lose the ends of the rear bumper bar.
Following Munday.Into ARB for a rear step.

The one on my LSE has taken a pounding over the years.

Richard.

oi, aren't you supposed to be fitting that other arm rest to the D4

[rwlse]

It's fitted. I now have a matching pair in all their splender.

[Nomad9]

Hi Redback,
I've got a dual wheel carrier on my 2005 D3, same issues as others have mentioned. I've also got the LR tank installed, with the dual wheel carrier and the LR tank fitted there is now a lot of extra weight on the rear tyres. The tyres have been my biggest problem. I've got Cooper HT plus tyres on now they just aren't up to the job, If I run them soft on corrugations the side walls overheat, if I run them to hard they puncture. I'm thinking of going down the General Grabber AT tyre route next, these look like a better option. Trouble is I have only got 10k kilometres on them, having a dual wheel carier you now have to buy six...
Plus try finding someone willing to sell you one 18" rim... If you are thinking of fitting a LR tank make sure you do this first or you have to take the dual wheel carrier off to get the long range tank in. Also there are two bolts one on either side that have to be in for the dual wheel carrier before you fit the LR tank, if you forget to fit them (like I did) you have to take the LR tank out again to get them in, they go through the chassi rails from the inside to the outside.
Rear sensors, mine didn't work when I fitted the tow hitch never mind the rear wheel carrier. I bought a Hema navigator at the 4WD show, this came with a free reversing camera...........bonus.
Additionally, because I bought me vehicle in Canberra I had to take it over the pits in Perth, I thought fitting all ADR gear I wouldn't have a problem over the pits. I got pinged for no reversing lights being visible at 45 degrees to the centre of the vehicle and also no rear red reflectors visible at the rear. One was easy to fix the other not so easy.
I notice the extra weight when driving on sand, especially with the fridge fully loaded and my camper trailer on the back. Got quite stuck once, I'll put this down to my inexperience in my D3 it was my first time out and the sand was very soft.
Hope some of this helps. [smilebigeye]

[Redback]

Hi Redback,
I've got a dual wheel carrier on my 2005 D3, same issues as others have mentioned. I've also got the LR tank installed, with the dual wheel carrier and the LR tank fitted there is now a lot of extra weight on the rear tyres. The tyres have been my biggest problem. I've got Cooper HT plus tyres on now they just aren't up to the job, If I run them soft on corrugations the side walls overheat, if I run them to hard they puncture. I'm thinking of going down the General Grabber AT tyre route next, these look like a better option. Trouble is I have only got 10k kilometres on them, having a dual wheel carier you now have to buy six...
Plus try finding someone willing to sell you one 18" rim... If you are thinking of fitting a LR tank make sure you do this first or you have to take the dual wheel carrier off to get the long range tank in. Also there are two bolts one on either side that have to be in for the dual wheel carrier before you fit the LR tank, if you forget to fit them (like I did) you have to take the LR tank out again to get them in, they go through the chassi rails from the inside to the outside.
Rear sensors, mine didn't work when I fitted the tow hitch never mind the rear wheel carrier. I bought a Hema navigator at the 4WD show, this came with a free reversing camera...........bonus.
Additionally, because I bought me vehicle in Canberra I had to take it over the pits in Perth, I thought fitting all ADR gear I wouldn't have a problem over the pits. I got pinged for no reversing lights being visible at 45 degrees to the centre of the vehicle and also no rear red reflectors visible at the rear. One was easy to fix the other not so easy.
I notice the extra weight when driving on sand, especially with the fridge fully loaded and my camper trailer on the back. Got quite stuck once, I'll put this down to my inexperience in my D3 it was my first time out and the sand was very soft.
Hope some of this helps. [smilebigeye]

Thanks for this, I was wondering about tyre wear, although having Coopers on I'm not surprised, Coopers just don't cut when pushed hard(this is from experience:twisted:)

I'm not real worried whether the 2nd spare is the same as the others, as it will only be on there for the long trips, I don't do beach stuff very often, so no problems there.

I plan on fitting a rear work light that works when you select reverse, but I will also fit some extra reflectors also just in case.

As for rear parking sensors, I've survived 35yrs without them on other cars AND bikes;) so disabling these won't be a problem, the bolts I didn't know about, thanks for that tip.

Thanks for all your help on this, much appreciated

Baz.

[Nomad9]

Hi Redback,
I got my alignment checked by LR after fitting all the extras. I made sure I had a full load of fuel the fridge and all the other stuff I never need or use but might in the drawers.
There was a difference, albeit small. Me I wouldn't buy Coopers again, quite a few people in the 4WD club I belong to have moved away from Coopers. I have a bit of a thing for BFG and Mickey Thompsons, neither of which make an 18 inch tyre the right profile. Bit of a bugger..........

[gghaggis]

The Cooper ATR is a revised design and mine are holding out pretty well (265/60R18). Just completed the Canning Stock Route on them. No problems with overheating running them at 26psi.

If you don't mind going bigger, the Cooper Zeon LTZ 285/60R18 is a great all-round AT.

If you don't want Coopers for whatever reason, the 265/60R18 AT size is provided by Yokohama (AT/S), Goodyear (Silent Armor), Pirelli (ATR) and Continental (CrossContact AT).

Cheers,

Gordon

[Garry]

I have had mine fitted for almost 2 and a bit years and agree its a pain getting into the boot but I cannot stress how good having the extra protection at the back, I have a few deep scores on the bar where I know for a fact I would have lost the bumper

I have problems with the parking sensors but too lazy to fix it, I believe there is a fix with clear rubber pads from bunnings on a seperate post which I might try this time home

I also have the mitch hitch wich confuses the sensors again

Keep an eye on tyre wear as I had to replace 4 tyres shortly after fitting all the steel front and rear as I never thought of checking the alignment

I would reccomend the bar if you plan on doing a lot offroad as it will pay for itself in a few outings, I know mine has

G

[Nomad9]

Hi Garry,
Agree 100% about the payback. Interesting about the stick on patches, I spent hours rooting around with these, I tell you it isn't a case of being lazy, I would put this down as sensible, trying to figure out the angles of the cone as the signal comes out of the sensor, that is eight hours and a wasted RDO I will never get back............ Getting these right would be easier if the cone coming out was circular, from what I understand the signal is elliptical........ hence the reason they are at an angle in the bumper in the first place.
Wheel alignment is a must do, luckily I did this after fitting the steel work and the LR tank, saying that wearing out these Copers and getting rid would be a bonus right now.......

[Weird Al]

I ordered a rear bar and LR tank from ARB today.

I am just curious, if the D4 has auto leveling suspension, why would you need a wheel allignment after adding these accessories?

Obviously the car would be heavier, but would be sitting at the same height so the suspension geometry should also be the same.......yay or nay?

[Redback]

I ordered a rear bar and LR tank from ARB today.

I am just curious, if the D4 has auto leveling suspension, why would you need a wheel allignment after adding these accessories?

Obviously the car would be heavier, but would be sitting at the same height so the suspension geometry should also be the same.......yay or nay?

I was going to ask this also and why all these problems with the parking sensors, why haven't Kaymar or ARB found a solution to this.

I might email Kaymar, see what excuse they have.

Baz.

[Graeme]

I am just curious, if the D4 has auto leveling suspension, why would you need a wheel allignment after adding these accessories?

Obviously the car would be heavier, but would be sitting at the same height so the suspension geometry should also be the same.......yay or nay?
Probably more applicable as the suspension bushes wear and allow small changes in geometry with the extra load.

[Redback]

Well I got a reply to my email from Kaymar, this is what they said.

Hi Barry

We have an aluminium shield supplied with our carrier to deflect the sensor.

The sensors can and do move with their housing and this can cause problems with them going off.

All the product we have fitted here at our factory – we have had no problems with the sensors going off.

As always fitting is our biggest problem – mis interpreting the instructions (we have as many photos as possible to assist) and those that don’t read the instructions at all.

Often it is not even a mm that makes all the difference.

Feedback from our customer to let us know of any problems is another problem as you mention talk over forum etc that we have a problem with the sensors but we have only had a few with issues contact us and most have not fitted the shield and once this is fitted we have not heard anymore and can only assume all is fine.


Hope this helps those having problems.

If you have a problem let them know, nicely of coarse.

Baz.

[discowhite]

Well I got a reply to my email from Kaymar, this is what they said.

Hi Barry

We have an aluminium shield supplied with our carrier to deflect the sensor.

The sensors can and do move with their housing and this can cause problems with them going off.

All the product we have fitted here at our factory – we have had no problems with the sensors going off.

As always fitting is our biggest problem – mis interpreting the instructions (we have as many photos as possible to assist) and those that don’t read the instructions at all.

Often it is not even a mm that makes all the difference.

Feedback from our customer to let us know of any problems is another problem as you mention talk over forum etc that we have a problem with the sensors but we have only had a few with issues contact us and most have not fitted the shield and once this is fitted we have not heard anymore and can only assume all is fine.


Hope this helps those having problems.

If you have a problem let them know, nicely of coarse.

Baz.

gee baz... your putting alot of effort finding out about these electricimal sensor thingys! thought you didnt need em??

cheers phil:p:twisted:

[TerryO]

gee baz... your putting alot of effort finding out about these electricimal sensor thingys! thought you didnt need em??

cheers phil:p:twisted:


Yeah Baz whats the go?

Your usually not in favour of to many modern thingys on your 4b ...:angel:

Don't tell me your getting a bit flash?

cheers,
Terry ;)

[Redback]

gee baz... your putting alot of effort finding out about these electricimal sensor thingys! thought you didnt need em??

cheers phil:p:twisted:

I just I'd see if there was a fix, I'll probably disconnect them anyway:p


Yeah Baz whats the go?

Your usually not in favour of to many modern thingys on your 4b ...:angel:

Don't tell me your getting a bit flash?

cheers,
Terry ;)

Not getting flash, that's why I'm getting the poverty pack:D

[trevorj]

Went for the OL version of the single rear rack for my MY11 D4; lots of promises of 'never have a problem with the parking sensors', but, yep total and immediate failure. So far (2 months, 2 further trips to OL) its all air and no parking pinger.

Dealer had a look, nothing useful (even bigger hole in bank acc). Now, have shut down the sensors while I await some sensible responses from OL.

Anybody got an OL rack on a D4 and got their sensors working? :angrylock:

[Mully]

Hiya Redback... also got the monster Kaymar on the back and just leave one wheel off around town. The rear sensors beep all the time when reversing and we just switch it off at the dash each time.

The steel work certainly adds some weight especially when combined with the extra fuel tank and two the wheels. However the track trip last week saw it pay off (again) after reversing into a tree... a mighty thump with no damage. :)

Also the number plate on these things is pretty flimsy and mine has been vandalized by some drunken dimwit when we still lived in the 'burbs. They bend very easily unfortunately. As does the plate that holds one of the spares when you lift it up to get it screwed back on to the carrier.

Yes rear access is more difficult and you soon adjust but you have to be aware of the door closing onto the wheel carriers and chipping the paint.

All round a good option if you need the peace of mind that two spares gives you... plus bullet proof rear protection.

Cheers.

[ADMIRAL]

Went for the OL version of the single rear rack for my MY11 D4; lots of promises of 'never have a problem with the parking sensors', but, yep total and immediate failure. So far (2 months, 2 further trips to OL) its all air and no parking pinger.

Dealer had a look, nothing useful (even bigger hole in bank acc). Now, have shut down the sensors while I await some sensible responses from OL.

Anybody got an OL rack on a D4 and got their sensors working? :angrylock:
Hi Trevorj,

I have the Dolium SWC ( single wheel carrier ) which is supplied out of OL amongst other dealers. I have blocked off the two centre sensors with rubber stick on pads, ( there are numerous posts on their use for you to reference ) and while it has reduced the coverage of the sensors. I have no other issues. I also have a Mitchhitch fitted, which can also contribute to sensor issues. My sensors are otherwise untouched, unaltered, and not rotated. Have a good read of the posts on this subject. A bit of time and you should be able to sort it yourself.

[trevorj]

Thanks Admiral. Sadly; its not a Dolium, it doesnt have any maker ID or obvious marks that I can see. Looks different to the setup shown at the Dolium site (although I guess it might be a newer version). The installation has fully covered the RHS centre sensor with a cam type lock for the carrier (which works well). Anyway, I will pursue the rubber stick ons and see where it gets me.

Its actually only part of my problem with sensors - I have also had problems with my ECB Big Bar, which is powder-coated black, and apparently has well known issues (although not by my installer!) caused by the additional thickness of the powder coating in the sensor hole, so that the OEM sensor doesnt fit without reaming. Forcing the OEM sensor into the smaller dia causes it to choke and give false positives, but on random basis.

Anyway, first I'm trying to fix the carrier problem, then on to the bar. Luckily, I can live without the sensors - staying away from supermarket carparks is the tricky bit.

[D3mike]

Recently had my 05 TDV6 SE D3 fitted with ARB bullbar, winch, snorkel, Long Ranger tank, KAYMAR bar & tyre & jerry can holders.

Just got back from the Vic high country. Yes they catch the dust, yes bit of a pain to get to the back as I have a dog i put in at least twice daily, yes I am getting the alignment redone to the tyres (at the advice of my friendly Tyrepower installer who installed my GG AT2s). But....

Overall very happy, maybe a weight penalty but access to rear tyre is much easier given that the winch packed it in anyway and is nearly half the cost to replace as the tyre carrier (ex rear bar) but I now can rock crawl with confidence that i will not wreck my spare and I don't have to empty out the cargo in the rear to get to the tyre in inclement conditions. Plus i get a long range tank to get me further than ever before plus either fuel or water as I need...

Very happy.

D3mike

[pohm66]

Hey ADMIRAL,

have the Mitch hitch as well but have just covered half the adjacent sensors with a black butty. That way I was able to manipulate it to just block out the hitch to maximise the sensor coverage, suppose the same idea would work for wheel carriers but just block out the top part of the offending sensors.

[Doug145]

Hi folks,

Have just picked up my MY09 SE and have been considering what bars and so on to attach for outback adventure. My main concern is exceeding the GVM. Kaymar quoted 98kg for dual wheel carrier, I believe ARB winch bar is 55kg, Winch 30-40kg, long range tank 38kg + 90 odd kg fuel, 2xspare wheels + additional kg for offroad LT tyres 81kg. This starts to eat into the payload which is only about 3230-2700 = 530kg. This doesn't seem to leave a lot left for spares, recovery gear, tent, cooking, sleeping gear etc and passengers.

Has anyone been on a weigh bridge lately with all their barwork, LR tanks, and dual spare wheels to see how much it all weighs in total?

Thanks.

[Redback]

Hi folks,

Have just picked up my MY09 SE and have been considering what bars and so on to attach for outback adventure. My main concern is exceeding the GVM. Kaymar quoted 98kg for dual wheel carrier, I believe ARB winch bar is 55kg, Winch 30-40kg, long range tank 38kg + 90 odd kg fuel, 2xspare wheels + additional kg for offroad LT tyres 81kg. This starts to eat into the payload which is only about 3230-2700 = 530kg. This doesn't seem to leave a lot left for spares, recovery gear, tent, cooking, sleeping gear etc and passengers.

Has anyone been on a weigh bridge lately with all their barwork, LR tanks, and dual spare wheels to see how much it all weighs in total?

Thanks.

Ours is 3110kg loaded, with the camper ball weight, we have kaymar bar and 2 carriers, Long range tank, Opposite lock bullbar and winch, drawers and gear in them, fridge, 2 auxillary batteries.

Baz.

[mowog]

I have a Kaymar single wheel carrier and a Long Ranger tank.

On our last outing with van I stopped by the weight bridge. The van + D4 + Us were were within 180kg of GVM the Long Ranger had 20L of fuel and the main was full.

So we are very close to the limit. There was some gear in the D4 but not a lot. The was 3500kg.... plus a little :eek:

[TerryO]

I looked originally at doing very similar mods to our D3 as Barry has done with his D4 but once you add a decent tow ball weight into the mix if your towing a van like we often do when we go camping then it would be very easy to no longer be within legal maximum load ratings for a D3/4. In fact I worked out it would be near impossible once you add in the weight of two people. Especially if your D3/4 is a HSE which has a lower weight carrying capacity then the lower spec Disco's.

Of course there is always the option of never filling up both fuel tanks but then why bother having two tanks?

Weight can be saved if the rear seats are removed but that only gets you back about 70 kg and leaves the floor unlevel.

In part that is why I decided to keep the D1 as the serious off roader, for me anyway, it is cheaper to own a lightly modded D3 for towing and easy off road work and a heavilly modded D1 for serious off road usage, then it would be to spend the money to heavilly mod our D3.

Plus its no big deal if you stove a door or a guard in on a D1 off road as parts a cheap and plentiful.

cheers,
Terry

[d3viate]

Hi, I to have the Kaymar duel wheel carrier, Mitch Hitch, LongRanger tank, ARB front bar with winch, drawers, 80 litre WAECO with twin AGMs inside the car etc etc.
I have not weighed the car but when travelling I would think that like others that I exceed the max limit, always have intentions to weigh when fully loaded but "another one of those jobs to do" and have not passed an open public weigh bridge at the times of travelling around Oz.
Regarding the reversing alarms, despite adjusting the sensors going off with the tyres and MitchHitch, could not get them to stop beeping but found that when I put the stick on round chair leg rubbers to cover them, that it stopped them beeping when nothing behind me but when close enough to something the strength of the sensors through the rubber did in fact warn me and is enough warning to be safe.

[Doug145]

Thanks for the responses about vehicle weights. I noticed that Disco4SE has started a thread about vehicle weights called How Heavy is Yours?? (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/143461-how-heavy-yours.html)
I will continue my quest on that thread so you can continue discussing the advantages of the Kaymar bar and how to overcome the rear parking sensor issues.

Thanks again.

[Rover80]

Goin away from the subject of weight, just received my rear bar and was looking at the pieces. How did you guys, who fitted it yourselves, wire the lights. I only got 2 like 10 inch extensions that hardly look like they'll be able to reach each light cluster on the car. Where did you wire them to, etc any help, pic's are always better, you can give would be great. Hope you guys can steer me in the right direction as to how it all goes together,
Cheers

[Heavyduty]

Hi all,

First post so please be gentle.

I picked up my new D4 last Friday and am getting getting busy working out what I need to get it "bushed up". One question that I can't find any reference to is in relation to the reversing camera and Kaymar rear bar.

I have the factory reversing camera and want to fit a dual spare wheel carrier. Does anyone have experience on;
1. Does the camera get relocated?
2. Is there enough vision if only the drivers side spare wheel is fitted, for the camera to see in its existing position?

Thanks in advance.

Dave

[Redback]

Hi all,

First post so please be gentle.

I picked up my new D4 last Friday and am getting getting busy working out what I need to get it "bushed up". One question that I can't find any reference to is in relation to the reversing camera and Kaymar rear bar.

I have the factory reversing camera and want to fit a dual spare wheel carrier. Does anyone have experience on;
1. Does the camera get relocated?
2. Is there enough vision if only the drivers side spare wheel is fitted, for the camera to see in its existing position?

Thanks in advance.

Dave

Where is the factory reversing camera??

I would say no, you would need to move it yourself, unless it is in the factory bumper, give Kaymar a call or email them.

Baz.

[Guppy]

Hi all,

First post so please be gentle.

I picked up my new D4 last Friday and am getting getting busy working out what I need to get it "bushed up". One question that I can't find any reference to is in relation to the reversing camera and Kaymar rear bar.

I have the factory reversing camera and want to fit a dual spare wheel carrier. Does anyone have experience on;
1. Does the camera get relocated?
2. Is there enough vision if only the drivers side spare wheel is fitted, for the camera to see in its existing position?

Thanks in advance.

Dave

Hi Dave,

Not sure with the dual, but I have a Kaymar with the drivers side spare and do not lose any vision, in fact you can also see the spare which helps in reversing
:)

Gup

[Heavyduty]

Thanks for replies,

Gup, my next question. Is your Kaymar part of a full bumper replacement? The reason I ask is that I would like to install a full Kaymar dual wheel carrier and an Opposite Lock bullbar, but am limited for length inside my garage.

I would appreciate if you, or anyone on the forum with either fitted, could measure how far the bullabar and carrier (tyre) protrudes in front and behind the vehicle?

Thanks again everyone.

Dave

[Guppy]

Thanks for replies,

Gup, my next question. Is your Kaymar part of a full bumper replacement? The reason I ask is that I would like to install a full Kaymar dual wheel carrier and an Opposite Lock bullbar, but am limited for length inside my garage.

I would appreciate if you, or anyone on the forum with either fitted, could measure how far the bullabar and carrier (tyre) protrudes in front and behind the vehicle?

Thanks again everyone.

Dave

Hi Dave,

I have an ARB winch bar which from grille to rubber stops is 280mm and the rear wheel (20 inch road tyre) is 380mm from the rear. I think my 18 with all terrains are a few mm extra.

I do have the full bumper replacement with only the one carrier

Hope that helps

Gup

[Heavyduty]

Thanks Gup,

Could you please clarify that the 380mm at the rear is measured from the tailgate door?

Thanks
Dave

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just an aside, on Sunday at the CBG I followed a D3 with Kaymar rear bar and RHS spare fitted. While it does have mid mounted repeater lights in the bar, you can not see the RHS light cluster from directly behind the vehicle or untill you are at about 20 degrees to the RHS of the vehicle. If you had both spares you would only see the repeater lights which are about 400mm from the side of the vehicle. I don't know if this meets ADR.

Following immediately behind the D3 for about 60K it became obvious that had the tyres been fitted a little lower (obstructing the sensors more) you would have seen the top of the light cluster better. Otherwise I would be fitting side marker lamps to the outside edge of the bar.

[jspyle]

How come there is no mention of the 4x4de rear wheel carrier?
4x4 Design and Engineering - Landrover Discovery 3 and 4 (http://www.4x4de.com.au/landrover-discovery-3-and-4/)
Does not require a new rear bar so i would think that should keep the weight down.
You can also get a jerry can holder for the LHS, again uses the existing bar.
I don't have one but am thinking of getting one, just for the weight reason.

[Guppy]

Thanks Gup,

Could you please clarify that the 380mm at the rear is measured from the tailgate door?

Thanks
Dave

Yes Dave,

Tailgate door flat, not the lift up handle

Gup

[rodjam]

The 4x4 de looks the goods as do a couple of their other products.
Anyone able to post their comments?

Have just taken delivery of my new D4 and ready for additions.

I am keen for another wheel and winch etc but without the lots of extra weights resulting from BULL BARS and rear bars?
Weight is always an issue .

[Lotz-A-Landies]

How come there is no mention of the 4x4de rear wheel carrier?
4x4 Design and Engineering - Landrover Discovery 3 and 4 (http://www.4x4de.com.au/landrover-discovery-3-and-4/)
Does not require a new rear bar so i would think that should keep the weight down.
You can also get a jerry can holder for the LHS, again uses the existing bar.
I don't have one but am thinking of getting one, just for the weight reason.The Opposite Lock rear wheel carrier also fits directly to a shortened rear cross member and then the OEM bumper fits over the pivot so the weight increase is less.

Gordon from Sth Sydney suggests that they were designed for both RH and LH fitting, but to date OL hasn't done a batch of LH brackets. If the requests are successful they may soon be doing a batch of LH fittings.

[Redback]

How come there is no mention of the 4x4de rear wheel carrier?
4x4 Design and Engineering - Landrover Discovery 3 and 4 (http://www.4x4de.com.au/landrover-discovery-3-and-4/)
Does not require a new rear bar so i would think that should keep the weight down.
You can also get a jerry can holder for the LHS, again uses the existing bar.
I don't have one but am thinking of getting one, just for the weight reason.


Mainly because the dual carrier(one wheel one jerry holder) from 4X4de is over $2600 plus fitting on special at the moment and you need to go to Ritters Melbourne to have it fitted or do it yourself and you don't get a bar in that.

Much of a muchness price wise, we went with the Kaymar bar to protect the rear end and also the car doesn't need to be modified to fit the Kaymar bar, but you do if fitting the 4X4de carrier, so if we ever sell the car we can have the front and rear bars re-fitted and sell the accessories seperate if not wanted with the car.

Baz.

[jspyle]

Thank you gentlemen (I am assuming here) for your words of wisdom.
More food for thought.

[Tombie]

I fitted a DE4x4 unit...

Light enough I can lift in 1 arm so really doesnt hurt GVM...

Solid, unit, and when removed (can take off around town) has a neat cover to hide the removed unit.

I chose this for:
(a) doesnt mess with sensors
(b) low mass
(c) Kaymar bar doesnt have angles matched on sides so looks a bit naff :angel:
(d) I wont carry cans back there
(e) twin wheel carriers add too much mass, often causing tyre failure and problems than a lighter loaded vehicle ;)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just to add confusion... I fitted a DE4x4 unit... Light enough I can lift in 1 arm so really doesnt hurt GVM...
I fitted a DE4x4 unit...

Light enough I can lift in 1 arm so really doesnt hurt GVM...Hi Tombie
I didn't find the double post confusing at all ..., merely repetitive! :D
Diana

[Tombie]

Hi Tombie
I didn't find the double post confusing at all ..., merely repetitive! :D
Diana

Blame it on Remote mine and Satellite uplink only :cool:

The lengths I go to for my AULRO fix... :)

[Tombie]

Oh look... 18:00.... Off to the Wet Mess :p

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Oh look... 18:00.... Off to the Wet Mess :p:twobeers: