2012 D4

[Disco4SE]

Check out the new D4. Where did the gear shift and terrain response dial go?
Land Rover Discovery 5 SEAT COMMERCIAL - €54,500 - Used Cars on Carzone.ie - New & Used Cars in Ireland (http://www.carzone.ie/search/Land-Rover/Discovery/5-SEAT-C/201134204130776/advert?channel=CARS)
Cheers Craig

[stig0000]

oh wow,,, full pov pack spec that one, ;)

uses the same set up as the 4.4tdv8 gears, the selector rises when you tern the ING on

[Robocop]

Having never seen one before at first I thought it had a third seat in the middle.. maybe not. I don't mind the netting in the rear cargo area for holding stuff but stuff=rattles & i hate rattles. I see its got that same stereo :censored: ....

[WhiteD3]

Here was i thinking that the 2011 centre console ergonomics were bad. 2012 is worse :mad:

[Ferret]

I don't think Australia is getting the 2012 interior shown in those pictures. The Australian 2012 model is pretty much same as the 2011 model expect for electric seats, ipod port and colour centre screen as standard now.

But I suppose that interior will reach here eventually.

[scarry]

Can anyone see what size tyres it is running?

[Celtoid]

It looks like they nicked the transmission control idea from a Jag....I think that has been mentioned here in another thread...as in that was the predicted way ahead. I think it ties in with steering wheel controls. Not sure how it all comes together but I guess it must.

Isn't it running 19" Perelli Zeros.....?

[Jono70]

Must have flappy-paddle behind the steering wheel? Only way to have manual/auto.

[discojools]

Personally don't think the ergonomics are any better or any worse between my D3 or my D4.. The d4 is however much improved on the already excellent D3.
Be interesting to see how reliable it is.. So far D4 (9 months in) miles ahead of my D3.
Re the 2012 model when I asked my dealer he said that we won't get the 8 speed gearbox for sometime so maybe we won't get the new gear selector etc..8 speed fitted in Europe for new Euro emissions standards.

[brad72]

Seems like they've tweaked the 3.0l engine for more power, added an ZF 8HP70 8 speed box with flappy paddles and changed the interior styling quite a bit. tTey also offer 5 spoke 20" wheels on the HSE. Don't think they'll be too much good in the sand though

[JayBee75]

Check out the new D4. Where did the gear shift and terrain response dial go?
Land Rover Discovery 5 SEAT COMMERCIAL - €54,500 - Used Cars on Carzone.ie - New & Used Cars in Ireland (http://www.carzone.ie/search/Land-Rover/Discovery/5-SEAT-C/201134204130776/advert?channel=CARS)
Cheers Craig

Has anyone heard any more news on when Aus could expect the 2012 D4 with the "Jag" centre console?

Planning to order a D4 later in the year, but may hold off until the new console format comes in with the upgraded 8 speed auto.

[CraigH]

Apparently it's the euro 5 emission spec tht has the 8 speed ZF auto. I was reading a brief review on it in a British mag today, they gave it the thumbs up. They reckon it makes what is an excellent tow vehicle even better!

I think Aus moves to Euro 5 spec next year, so maybe we may get them towards the end of this year.

[tequesta]

Checked with my local dealer 2 weeks ago, and it sounds like 2014 at the earliest. Settled for a defender 90 for the mean time :P. The D4 also comes with a turn knob to change gears, like the RRS.

[CaverD3]

LRA will not be putting it on as they don't have to (emmisions regs in Oz are behind) and the eight speed would cost them more.
Only when Oz moves to new Euro emmisions standards will they be forced to do so.

[camel_landy]

The 2012 D4 has...

* 8spd auto box.
* Flappy paddles.
* 20ps increase in power.
* New key fob.

The Terrain Response selector is now a toggle switch, not the rotary selector.

The gear selector pops up when the engine is RUNNING, not just when the Ign is on. Also, if you are driving using 'Command Shift', then set the selector in 'S' otherwise it drops back to auto after a period of time.

You can also do natty little things like raise & lower the car using the key fob (IIRC you could only lower the car previously).

HTH

M

[CaverD3]

Not in OZ. :mad:

[discotwinturbo]

Not in OZ. :mad:

Yep....none of that on my D4 2012....just some minor changes and additions from the 2011 model.

Interestingly though, the manual refers to the Australian 2012 model, but with 188kw as opposed to 180kw. It's also printed under the bonnet as 188kw.

Brett

[discotwinturbo]

You can also do natty little things like raise & lower the car using the key fob (IIRC you could only lower the car previously).
M

I can increase or decrease height with key fob now with my D4....maybe they added this to the Aus version already.

[CaverD3]

I can do it with my D3. (engine on and hazards on)

[stig0000]

talk to LR, we probs wont see the 8 speed at all, the new disco would of come out buy then, witch 'might' have it here,

there is still the black and white screen on the pov pack disco's;)

they allways come with ipod and usb on the high line screens, but now its standed all over, the only update is blue tooth audio,

[JayBee75]

Thought I would post this reply up:



"Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding the Land Rover Discovery 4.

The 8 Speed Automatic is only being offered in the UK & Europe for 2012MY and will not be on sale in Australia or other rest of world markets in this model year. This is predominantly driven by punitive Co2 taxation in these countries.

Land Rover Australia cannot comment on the content of future model year vehicles however if you were to wait for an 8 speed transmission on Discovery 4 an estimate of the time it could take may well be over 12 months or more.

The vehicle with the 6 speed transmission is by no means inferior and the 6 speed is a very well proven transmission with all the accolades to go with it. The current 6 speed transmission matches the majority of the local competition and packaged with all of Discovery 4's other attributes makes for a world class vehicle".



I have family in the UK with the"new" spec D4 and my response to LRA is you are now selling a outdated model here at a inflated price. Just makes me annoyed that we get treated the way we do in this country. It is making me reconsider whether I get a D4, not sure whether I hold off now until end of year hoping that 2013 brings in the new changes, or unfortauntely buy something else?.....:mad:

[TerryO]

Getting upset and teaching LR Aus a lesson by buying someone elses product is fine if that what you think is a good idea, but seriously what else is actually better that you could buy that has a superior transmission and engine to a 3.0 D4?

cheers,
Terry

[camel_landy]

Nowt wrong with the 6spd.

TBH - I prefer the stick to the flappy paddles. If you're off-road, the flappy paddles are a PITA!!

So, don't get upset that you're not getting all the shiny new toys!!!

M

[SBD4]

....It is making me reconsider whether I get a D4, not sure whether I hold off now until end of year hoping that 2013 brings in the new changes, or unfortauntely buy something else?.....:mad:

I have to agree with the other guys Jaybee, I don't think I would be choosing baked beans over an eye fillet just because it didn't come with a bearnaise sauce.

[Disco4SE]

TBH - I prefer the stick to the flappy paddles. If you're off-road, the flappy paddles are a PITA!!
Drove a LR with the flappy paddles a little while ago. I found they got in the way............a real pain in the bum.
Too close to the steering wheel.
Not sure what LR were thinking. Its a 2.7 ton towing / 4Wd vehicle, not a racing car. Not sure about everyone else, but I put mine in Drive and drive as the gear suggests.

Cheers, Craig

[TerryO]

Having driven several vehicles with 'flappy paddles' I reckon they are the biggest toss you can put on any vehicle for daily driving.

Believe it or not even SsangYong had had their own version of this with steering wheel buttons since 2006 and its a waste of time.

If that is the direction LR are going then they are truly kidding themselves if they think a 4x4 needs these kinds of useless toys that 99% of people will never use given a choice.

I think the name in itself 'flappy paddles' says it all.

cheers,
Terry

[mowog]

I have an auto Cooper S with the flappy paddles...

If the urge to self shift comes upon me I find using the actual gear stick to be better than the flappy paddles. In sport mode the shifts are pretty good.

I will on the odd occasion in auto mode hit the up shift on the flappy if the gearbox seems to be holding a gear to long and that is about all they are good for.

[Graeme]

I regularly use my button equivalent of flappy paddles in my 3.0 to cause earlier upshifts and in preference to using the lever so as to avoid sport mode activation. However I don't attempt to use the buttons any time the wheel is turned because I'd have to look for them and I wonder if proper paddles would be much better. In tricky off-road situations the gear lever is always in the same position and large enough to be found without more than a fleeting glance but usually without looking at all.

[DRD]

I have found around town that in auto it stay to long in 4th so I just shift it to select shift up a gear and back to auto and the box stay in the selected gear.
Bit like a manual with auto if you get lazy
Cheers
Des

[camel_landy]

Having driven several vehicles with 'flappy paddles' I reckon they are the biggest toss you can put on any vehicle for daily driving.

Actually, for daily driving they're great... It's off-road where they're a PITA.

Here's why:

Off-Road - As the paddles are fixed to the steering wheel, if you need to change gear while the front wheels are pointing in a direction other than straight, it can often take a moment to work out where the paddle is that you need!

On-road - You generally keep things in 'D' unless you are 'Making Progress'. If you are giving it some beans and using the flappy paddles, then you generally don't move your hands from the steering wheel and the wheel is held fairly straight. In this scenario, they're safer as you can change gear without taking your hands off the wheel.

M

[Dougal]

Thought I would post this reply up:



"[I]Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding the Land Rover Discovery 4.

The 8 Speed Automatic is only being offered in the UK & Europe for 2012MY and will not be on sale in Australia or other rest of world markets in this model year. This is predominantly driven by punitive Co2 taxation in these countries.

Of course punitive CO2 taxation really means a focus on fuel economy. The 8 speed gearbox is used because it uses less fuel than the 6 speed.

[Mike_S]

That's partially correct. We get battered for tax in the UK with cars that have high CO2 emissions, both in terms of the yearly tax disc cost (knocking on for £500 a year now for that level of emissions and only ever going up) and also if running the vehicle as a company car, in personal taxation. Given the cost of them, plenty are run as company vehicles so anything they can do to make them more attractive to the fleet buyers is a bonus. The UK government also introduced a fee for first registration as well, based on the emissions so for the first year it now costs £1030 for the highest polluters. I know with a £40k+ car that's a drop in the ocean, but it's still an extra cost to be considered.

[Dougal]

Do you have any specs on the fuel economy of the 8 speed to compare to the 6 speed?

I'm trying to get my father into one of these, if the 8 speed was an option, I'd take it. Got to prise him out of his tojo first.:D

[scarry]

Do you have any specs on the fuel economy of the 8 speed to compare to the 6 speed?

I'm trying to get my father into one of these, if the 8 speed was an option, I'd take it. Got to prise him out of his tojo first.:D

The easiest way is to look at the UK LR site & look at the specs then look at the specs on say the Aus LR site.

This will give you a good idea.

[Dougal]

The easiest way is to look at the UK LR site & look at the specs then look at the specs on say the Aus LR site.

This will give you a good idea.

They make it difficult. All the brochure downloads are "international versions" which have the 6 speed.
I found this page for the UK 8 speed RRS: Range Rover Sport SE | Land Rover UK (http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/rr/range-rover-sport/explore/se/)

The extra-urban economy is the same at 8.1 l/100km.
The urban is lower for the 8 speed at 9.8 vs 11.2 l/100km.
Combined is the average of the two so 8.8 vs 9.2 l/100km overall.

[Disco4SE]

I also found this on the LR UK website DISCO4.COM - View topic - D4 6-speed V 8-speed views please (http://www.disco4.com/forum/topic77903.html)

Cheers, Craig

[Disco4SE]

Also found this on the LR UK site DISCO4.COM - View topic - 2012 Nara bronze finally arrived (http://www.disco4.com/forum/topic78102.html)

Check out the terrain response dial thingy.......or lack of it.
Flappy paddles, pop up gear selector.......and no terrain response selector dial.........now that would take a bit of getting used to.

Cheers, Craig