PUMA to the RESCUE

[Drover]

While driving along the beach on Saturday, making our way to "Big Gibber" found a strange looking vehicle bellied out and going no where fast....

It had a Land Rover badge but not sure what to make of it.....

All that the owner said, in very confused voice was "Its got 600nm's how could this happen?????"

Looks like 600nm's is just enough to burry it.... :D

Still, couldn't leave him stuck there,

20in wheels, low profile tyres sitting on full pressure.
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No front recovery point..??
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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/649.jpg


Nothing the PUMA can't handle...;)
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[stig0000]

there is a point, behind that bottem trim, its in the handbook;)

good to see a sport getting out there tho, good looken beach

[FenianEel]

20in wheels, low profile tyres sitting on full pressure.


I really wish dickheads like this would......

Buy a "how to 4WD handbook"
Get some recovery gear and points
Go with a mate
Do a training course

No idea is no excuse for being unprepared, even on a short beach trip.

[87County]

Good on you for getting him out.....


As a matter of interest, with low profile tyres, how much could the pressures be reduced to get tractability in sand?

I don't know if it would be possible to get them down to say, 15psi, and have them stay on the rim....

[DeeJay]

I really wish dickheads like this would......

Buy a "how to 4WD handbook"
Get some recovery gear and points
Go with a mate
Do a training course

No idea is no excuse for being unprepared, even on a short beach trip.

My dad was an international yachting judge & had trouble comprehending how guys could own & sail a $500,000 yacht & not know how to sail or the rules.
Boys with thier toys....

[Drover]

Good on you for getting him out.....


As a matter of interest, with low profile tyres, how much could the pressures be reduced to get tractability in sand?

I don't know if it would be possible to get them down to say, 15psi, and have them stay on the rim....


Before the recovery, they were dropped to 10psi. That didn't leave much side wall between rim and road surface

He had a compressor with him, so he could pump them back up before hitting the tar.

[Blknight.aus]

IME

on licorice strips 20psi is about as low as you want to go in the sand and about 25psi for rockwork. you can go lower but I dont reccomend it for prolonged use.

[PBob]

Just think - he could have had two Pumas for the price of the sport...:eek::twisted:

[101RRS]

It has recovery points - front and rear - under removable plastic covers.

Looks like it is still at offroad height and has not gone into Extended or Super Extended Height - that would most likely lifted the body clear of the sand - then a little digging to clear the sand from the wheels - then let the tyres down to 15psi and place the floor mats in front of the tyres to get a bit of traction he most likely would would have driven out.

Oh - I expect Terrain Response was still set to onroad.

Unfortunately people think that they have a 4wd or 600nm and nothing else is required.

Garry

[4wheeler]

I really wish dickheads like this would......

Buy a "how to 4WD handbook"
Get some recovery gear and points
Go with a mate
Do a training course

No idea is no excuse for being unprepared, even on a short beach trip.


I think some of the problems come from the marketing hype for such vehicles with all the electronic stuff they are told will take them anywhere. Yes, education is the key to avoiding such problems.

I think we have all stuffed up at some stage 4Wdriving through ignorance or inexperience. Hopefully this gent will learn from this mistake.

The four wheel drive club I am with has rescued a few people on beaches or in the bush who had no idea. We turned this into a positive and through help and encourgement they have joined the club are now some of our best club members.

[Drover]

It has recovery points - front and rear - under removable plastic covers.

Looks like it is still at offroad height and has not gone into Extended or Super Extended Height - that would most likely lifted the body clear of the sand - then a little digging to clear the sand from the wheels - then let the tyres down to 15psi and place the floor mats in front of the tyres to get a bit of traction he most likely would would have driven out.

Oh - I expect Terrain Response was still set to onroad.

Unfortunately people think that they have a 4wd or 600nm and nothing else is required.

Garry

The "Terrain Response" was selected on sand mode, when I first arrived.

I tried to get the extended suspension mode to engage by selecting raised suspension, after sand mode had engaged, but no luck.

It was very soft sand, lots of other 4x4 were getting stuck all day, (no other landy's thou :))

[101RRS]

I tried to get the extended suspension mode to engage by selecting raised suspension, after sand mode had engaged, but no luck.

Yes another stupid Land Rover design idea - you cannot make it go into extended suspension mode manually the car has to do it - maybe could have been tricked if you selected access height and spun the wheels at the same time (car needs to feel itself beached and traction control activated - but I think it will do it if the body beaches itself without wheel spin).

With offroad selected it should (still a bit of white man's magic to me) have gone to extended height and with "up selected" and foot on the brake it should then have gone into super extended. (I always carry my handbook in the car because I can never remember all the processes)

The other trick for new players is not to disable "Stability Control" it cuts power and causes other issues when stuck - eg when I last got stuck I had DSC still on and the engine would only go to 2700 rpm and traction control would not activate so I just stayed X axled.

Good onya though for pulling him out - these days some people are more interested in being critical and being rewarded before helping - all too often the age of the good Samaritan seems to have gone.

Garry

[big guy]

Off roading is all about team work and helping each other I would have thought.
I have never not helped or at very least offered my help.

Lets face it, most Landies these days will never see any more sand than that of the pave lock in between the pavers of their drive ways.:p

[Loubrey]

It's a great pity that LRA feels they cannot justify the cost of "Landrover Experience" as offered to all new Land Rover owners/customers the world over.

Even a basic morning explaining the workings of the car in different conditions would be better than what is currently on offer, which is a key in your hand and "thank you for your money"!

Nothing wrong with being privileged enough to own one of those machines, but still an embarrassment to the brand for a customer to not understand the limitations built into a market specific vehicle (and before I get mobbed by the Rangie crowd, I refer specifically to the wheels and tyres!).

Thank goodness it was Drover who "found" him and not some upstart in an inferior!

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[PAT303]

It's a great pity that LRA feels they cannot justify the cost of "Landrover Experience" as offered to all new Land Rover owners/customers the world over.

Even a basic morning explaining the workings of the car in different conditions would be better than what is currently on offer, which is a key in your hand and "thank you for your money"!

Nothing wrong with being privileged enough to own one of those machines, but still an embarrassment to the brand for a customer to not understand the limitations built into a market specific vehicle (and before I get mobbed by the Rangie crowd, I refer specifically to the wheels and tyres!).

Thank goodness it was Drover who "found" him and not some upstart in an inferior!

Land Rover did have field days when I bought my first defender,I was the only person that turned up on my day. Pat

[Loubrey]

Pat,

I might be reluctant to drive my own car off road as well if I bought a new Range Rover. In the UK you are offered a "LR Experience" car perfectly matching your own new pride and joy to drive for half a day on a bespoke course with an instructor (yes, even Defenders!). You are taken through the car's systems and you are shown by the instructor what the car is capable of. This is all done within reason as damaging the cars is obviously very much frowned upon.:D

Experience is run as an independent company and any member of the public can pay for either a half or a full day in any one of Land Rover's range. It's quite popular with corporate events and the like. The nett result is that you very seldom see Land Rovers stuck at country events (parking in meadows is the rule), snow falls or floods that frequent the Midlands, but then it might all be up to the vehicles themselves...

[PAT303]

Mate I'm all for it,I've been driving LR's for a long time put I had to re-learn when I bought the L322,I recon there's bits to it I still don't fully know and I've had it three years. Pat

[Naks]

It's a great pity that LRA feels they cannot justify the cost of "Landrover Experience" as offered to all new Land Rover owners/customers the world over.



Really? In South Africa you get a free LR Experience course with the purchase of any new land rover vehicle. I thought this was standard worldwide :eek:

[Loubrey]

Naks,

It is... except Australia!

Having owned Land Rovers in quite a few countries, I was motally disappointed when I was told its not offered in Australia.

[djam1]

It's a great pity that LRA feels they cannot justify the cost of "Landrover Experience" as offered to all new Land Rover owners/customers the world over.

Even a basic morning explaining the workings of the car in different conditions would be better than what is currently on offer, which is a key in your hand and "thank you for your money"!

Nothing wrong with being privileged enough to own one of those machines, but still an embarrassment to the brand for a customer to not understand the limitations built into a market specific vehicle (and before I get mobbed by the Rangie crowd, I refer specifically to the wheels and tyres!).

Thank goodness it was Drover who "found" him and not some upstart in an inferior!

They don't even have dealers let alone actually provide some sort of service

[Disco_owner]

Geez , go easy on the Guy....:eek:

at least he is getting out and about with his Shiny range Rover sport and enjoying the landrover experience , Good on you for saving the day Drover:)

[Allan]

Green Oval in W.A. do a ride and learn, also theory night. its all for the D3/4 RR's and new Freelanders. My young bloke is about to do it in his D3 so I will be interested to see what it is all about. Cost about $150 per passenger all inclusive I think. Any input on vehicles so complex by experts has got to be good. May help us in a couple of years when the Defender changes big time.

Allan

[RR P38]

Good on him for testing his new rig.
In good time it could well be him pulling one of us out of a hole.
I used to love the look of shock on peoples faces in the scrub or on a remote beach when i showed up (11 years ago) in my shinny P38.
I can honestly say it has only been stuck one time and that was in sand.
The old girl has pulled a few novices out a few time over the last decade.
Avoiding sand is a good move with a Rangie i think.

[d3syd]

Yes good on you Drover for helping him out, and good on him for taking his RRS off road. They are very capable vehicles and with better tyres would probably 9/10ths as capable as a PUMA.

From experience with my D3, DSC definitely needs to be turned off otherwise the car will quickly bog down in sand due to lack of momentum. I didn't find Terrain Response Sand mode to be very helpful as it seemed to merely retard throttle response in an effort to reduce wheel spin.

Anyway, sometimes the best prepared vehicles and experienced off roaders still get bogged, the guy could have driven into a patch of really soft sand. At least he brought a compressor, so obviously he wasn't totally ignorant.

I think the best piece of recovery gear for him to carry would have been a set of Maxtraxs....

[RobHay]

Naks,

It is... except Australia!

Having owned Land Rovers in quite a few countries, I was motally disappointed when I was told its not offered in Australia.

That's because us Aussies know it all :p;)

[Shonky]

...and how much does a RRS weigh? :angel:

[101RRS]

...and how much does a RRS weigh? :angel:

Less than a D3/4 - that is while it called a Sport.

[ozscott]

Tyres. Lack of sidewall height and heavy mass. Good on him for having a go. Good onya for snatching him. I'm used to snatching other makes but if i had to do a rrs I would do it quick before anyone saw the rrs stuck. Cheers