Defender 30% more $

[Rickoz]

Gday all,
I'm came to this forum on a mates advice,
as i am wanting a secondhand Land Rover Defender 110 Ute as a second vehicle.
1st of all, Great Forum guys lots & lots of good advice here
& plus all u suckers have made all the bad mistakes & can pass on what 2do & what not 2do :)
I've been looking around & for a little while not much was advertised.
Now ATM there seems to be **** loads out there, good for me i guess more to choose from.
But now i'm thinking i should just sell my little car & buy a New LD 110 Ute, basically just have 1 vehicle.
Yesterday i go looking on the Net to see what they are worth
i ended up looking at RedBook for a guide for the R.R.Price
then i thought while i'm at it i'll see what the alliteratives are worth.

Now brings me to my Question guys -
What are we getting for the 30% higher price ($11000.) :confused:

I'm hoping someone can point out why there is so much of a difference & what do U get for it.
Don't :rocket: me, but i don't see the extra value in it, what am i missing :confused:

I've owned a 89 4Runner it's just a glorified HiLux.
This little truck had taken me everywhere i need to go (camping up top,NT ect)
& this was a long time ago.
I know access to a lot of places has improved so thats gotta be good for the softroaders out there too,
more tourists $, yada yada yada.

A comparison of some below -

Vehicle and Year 2011 Land Rover Defender 2011 Ford Ranger 2011 Mitsubishi Triton 2011 Toyota Hilux
Vehicle Description 110 Cab Chassis 2dr Man 6sp 4x4 2.4DT (110) [11MY] PK XL Cab Chassis 2dr Man 5sp 4x4 3.0DT MN GLX Cab Chassis 2dr Man 5sp 4x4 2.5DT [MY11] KUN26R SR Cab Chassis 2dr Man 5sp 4x4 3.0DT [MY12]
Valuation Prices
Price When New $45,990*Price Guide $31,990*Price Guide $34,590*Price Guide $34,990*Price Guide
Green Credentials
CO2 Emissions 295 251 212 217
Green House Rating 4.0 5.0 6.0 -
Air Pollution Rating 3.0 3.0 3.0 -
Overall Green Star Rating
-
Fuel Urban (l/100km) 13.6 11.7 9.8 10.2
Fuel Extra Urban (l/100km) 9.7 8.2 7.0 7.0
Fuel Combined (l/100km) 11.1 9.5 8.0 8.2
Quick Info
Badge - XL GLX SR
Series 110 PK MN KUN26R
Body Cab Chassis Cab Chassis Cab Chassis Cab Chassis
No. Doors 2 2 2 2
Seat Capacity 2 3 3 2
Transmission Manual Manual Manual Manual
Gear Location Floor Floor Floor Floor
Drive 4X4 Constant 4X4 Dual Range 4X4 Dual Range 4X4
Fuel Type Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel
Release Year 2011 2011 2011 2011
VIN Number SALLDHHS78A###### MNA?SAE90?W###### MMAENKB40A?*##### MR0DZ22G800######
Country of origin UNITED KINGDOM THAILAND THAILAND THAILAND
Dimensions
Kerb Weight (kg) 1641 1804 1648 1675
Tare Mass (kg) 1641 - 1711 -
Gross Combination Mass (kg) 6550 5546 5700 5335
Gross Vehicle Mass (kg) 3050 3046 2930 2835
Pay Load (kg) 1409 1242 1282 1160
Towing Braked (kg) 3500 3000 3000 2500
Towing Not Braked (kg) 750 750 750 750
Wheel Base (mm) 2794 3000 3000 3085
Length (mm) 4370 4848 5030 4980
Width (mm) 1790 1788 1750 1760
Height (mm) 2021 1743 1775 1795
Track Front (mm) 1486 1445 1505 1510
Track Rear (mm) 1486 1440 1500 1510
Engine
Engine Location Front Front Front Front
Configuration In-line In-line In-line In-line
Engine Size (cc) 2402 2953 2477 2982
Cam Overhead Cam Double Overhead Cam Overhead Cam Double Overhead Cam
Engine Cycle 4 Stroke 4 Stroke 4 Stroke 4 Stroke
Engine Type Piston Piston Piston Piston
Engine Number 061120 - ####### WEAT-###### 4D56 ***#### 1KD-#######
Engine Code 244DT WEAT 4D56 HP 1KD-FTV
Cylinders 4 4 4 4
Valves per Cylinder 2 4 2 4
Compression Ratio 19.5 18 16.5 17.9
Power 90kW @ 3500rpm 115kW @ 3200rpm 131kW @ 4000rpm 126kW @ 3600rpm
Torque 360Nm @ 2000rpm 380Nm @ 1800rpm 400Nm @ 2000rpm 343Nm @ 1400-3400rpm
Acceleration 0-100Km/h (secs) 15.8 - - -
Induction System Turbo Intercooled Turbo Intercooled Turbo Intercooled Turbo Intercooled
Fuel Type Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel
Fuel Tank Capacity (litres) 75 70 75 76
Fuel Delivery Direct Injection Direct Injection Direct Injection Direct Injection
Method of Delivery Electronic Electronic Sequential Electronic Sequential Electronic Sequential
Fuel Urban (l/100km) 13.6 11.7 9.8 10.2
Carbon Dioxide (g/km) 295 251 212 217
Fuel Extra Urban (l/100km) 9.7 8.2 7.0 7.0
Fuel Combined (l/100km) 11.1 9.5 8.0 8.2

:BigThumb: guys now play nice, i'm still new here.

[VladTepes]

Welcome !



That table is VERY hard to read.

It depends entirely what you want in a vehicle?

Off Road Capability
High Payload?
Car-like On road manners
Off Road comfort?
etc etc etc.

You really need to decide first wat you WANT before assessing which vehicle is "best".

[PAT303]

The difference I've found having had most of them is the defender has done everything I've ever wanted to do without spending money them other than fit winches,seat covers,tow bars etc were's the Jap utes need better seats,better suspension,more servicing,more exxy servicing,higher fuel use etc.I also find the seating in the defender better for driving and I like the way they feel on the road,jap utes handle like crap with mushy front ends and horse cart rear leaves. Pat

[101RRS]

The other aspect is that as a new vehicle, the Defender has never sold in big numbers (compared to the opposition). But as a used vehicle they are sought after (capable, business like, to the 4wd point) but their numbers are still less than the opposition - supply and demand pure and simple.

If there is less supply and equal or more demand than for the opposition - clearly prices will rise. Even though only 2/3rds the price new - after about 10 years a Defender will normally be worth more than a similar condition Discovery - the Defender has the least depreciation rate of all the Landie range.

Garry

[PAT303]

Good point,both my defenders where bought new because second hand prices were so close,130's hold their value very well. Pat

[Beckford]

I've owned a 89 4Runner it's just a glorified HiLux. This little truck had taken me everywhere i need to go (camping up top,NT ect)

Ok I used to drive a 1991 4 Runner until it blew a head gasket at 350K, and then I bought the 2010 Defender. I have only done 17K in the Defender so it is only early days, but some comparisons so far are (you need to take into account there is 20 years difference in build date);

4 Runner:
16 L / 100km
Drove like a car as it has independent suspension / small wheels.
Used to get hot towing, on the beach and in cold weather would not start again after stopping if engine had not cooled down.

Defender:
10 L / 100km
Brilliant off road, however you have to take it easy on the highway.
On Sunday it did a full day of 4wdriving with 500kg camping/recovery gear and then towed a 2+ tonne trailer home. The temperature needle did not budge.

[Rickoz]

Welcome !
That table is VERY hard to read.
It depends entirely what you want in a vehicle?
Off Road Capability
High Payload?
Car-like On road manners
Off Road comfort?
etc etc etc.
You really need to decide first wat you WANT before assessing which vehicle is "best".
Yer a little small sorry,
I'm sure they would be all capable vehicles for most people one would think.
High Payload, not hi on my list of must haves.
Road Manners, yep nice to have a comfortable vehicle & higher up on list of must haves.
Off Road Comfort, Yep again higher up on list of must haves.
Oh i did decide but looking at 11ish extra G's brought me to ask the Questions.
Thanks for your input VladTepes :BigThumb:

[Rickoz]

The difference I've found having had most of them is the defender has done everything I've ever wanted to do without spending money them other than fit winches,seat covers,tow bars etc were's the Jap utes need better seats,better suspension,more servicing,more exxy servicing,higher fuel use etc.I also find the seating in the defender better for driving and I like the way they feel on the road,jap utes handle like crap with mushy front ends and horse cart rear leaves. Pat
Good to know, not much more needed to spend on vehicle. Pretty good as is.
Thanks PAT303 :BigThumb:

[Rickoz]

The other aspect is that as a new vehicle, the Defender has never sold in big numbers (compared to the opposition). But as a used vehicle they are sought after (capable, business like, to the 4wd point) but their numbers are still less than the opposition - supply and demand pure and simple.
If there is less supply and equal or more demand than for the opposition - clearly prices will rise. Even though only 2/3rds the price new - after about 10 years a Defender will normally be worth more than a similar condition Discovery - the Defender has the least depreciation rate of all the Landie range.
Garry
Good to know, Better resale value.
Thanks garrycol :BigThumb:

[Rickoz]

Ok I used to drive a 1991 4 Runner until it blew a head gasket at 350K, and then I bought the 2010 Defender. I have only done 17K in the Defender so it is only early days, but some comparisons so far are (you need to take into account there is 20 years difference in build date);

4 Runner:
16 L / 100km
Drove like a car as it has independent suspension / small wheels.
Used to get hot towing, on the beach and in cold weather would not start again after stopping if engine had not cooled down.

Defender:
10 L / 100km
Brilliant off road, however you have to take it easy on the highway.
On Sunday it did a full day of 4wdriving with 500kg camping/recovery gear and then towed a 2+ tonne trailer home. The temperature needle did not budge.
Sorry i made a mistake mine was a 1987 not a 1989 :angel:
Fuel consumption on the current list is - RedBook again :)
Vehicle and Year 2011 Land Rover Defender 2011 Ford Ranger 2011 Mitsubishi Triton 2011 Toyota Hilux
Fuel Extra Urban (l/100km) 9.7 : 8.2 : 7.0 : 7.0
Fuel Combined (l/100km) 11.1 : 9.5 : 8.0 : 8.2
FYI, My little 4Runner got me 100ks for every 10L driven hard or not stayed the same (even with different width tyres on it too)
I think i did all up about 350000- 400000Ks in her.
Thanks for your comments Beckford :BigThumb:

[VladTepes]

So what are you buying?

[Bill]

I admire your concept of the comparison table but unfortunately you have missed nearly all the figures in which the LR110 is class leading - and why most of us buy them (even if some don't realise). It isn't for the number of doors, the fuel tank size and all the things you listed it is for things such as:
- gear ratios
- approach/departure/ramp over angles
- traverse and climb limits
- articulation
- ground clearance
I guess you need to compare the facts and figure that matter to you - good luck.

[Rickoz]

I admire your concept of the comparison table but unfortunately you have missed nearly all the figures in which the LR110 is class leading - and why most of us buy them (even if some don't realise). It isn't for the number of doors, the fuel tank size and all the things you listed it is for things such as:
- gear ratios
- approach/departure/ramp over angles
- traverse and climb limits
- articulation
- ground clearance
I guess you need to compare the facts and figure that matter to you - good luck.
Thanks for that Bill :BigThumb:

[Symo]

One thing also to consider, assuming your planning on taking the Defender off road is just how capable they are out of the box - just put some off road tyres on it and away you go.

I know this has been mentioned by many on here before but stop and think of what this actually means given the (law in some states (qld)pending in some and comming to all - eventually) legislation on modifying off road vehicles. When all the others Toyota's, Nissans, and Great Walls are limited to a 3" lift or whatever it is in your state, what then will come close to a standard height defender with standard diameter tyres off road?

Some years down the track if you ever want to sell the Defender- what is that capability going to be worth to an off road enthusiast?

I am glad I have my puma - lover her to death and other than a few mods (lockers / snorkel / winch etc) she is legal on any road in the country and will always remain so as I don’t need jack her up or put scary tyres on her to get her to do what she was designed to do - get me A to B anywhere.

Just my thoughts - :)