First production series 2 in NZ

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I have noticed in other threads reference to 142800016 so for ones interested.

This is the First production series 2 built. Assembled in Feb 1958 and into dispatch at Solihul on Monday 3 March 1958 . It was completely finished over 6 weeks before the series 2 was released to the world at the Amsterdam Motor show on April 16 1958 and 3 weeks before Series 1 production stopped


It is pretty much original with the original 2 litre engine still running well.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/710.jpg

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Here are the dated parts to show how original it still is and drives well.

Chassis 142800016
Engine 141800023
Engine casting date 6-2-58
Gearbox 141800011
F/diff 141800048
Front nugget B 58
R/diff 141800142
Rear nugget 58T2
Steering box 2 58
Radiator 1 58
Distributor 2 58
Carburettor B 58
1 wiper 1 58
Glass late 57-early 58
Fuel tank switch 11 7
Starter Solinoid 2 58
Choke switch 1 58
Regulator 11 57
Fuse box 1 58
Horn switch 1 58
Brake drums 12 57
Both headlights 2 58
Original sparto lights No dates
2 wheels 2 58

I will paste more photos later

Cheers Richard

[keith73]

Wonder why New Zealand got the first and not England if it was sold new in N.Z.
Keith

[Sprint]

Wonder why New Zealand got the first and not England if it was sold new in N.Z.
Keith

there would still have been an emphasis on exporting goods at the time.....

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Wonder why New Zealand got the first and not England if it was sold new in N.Z.
Keith

Hi Keith

Actually the first shipment dispatched were CKDs 1438...s to Australia in Feb 58 but they wouldn't have been assembled for a number of months.

My one 142800016 was the first export R/H drive built and into dispatch on Mar 3

The second one was the first export L/H drive 144800012 on March 10. Then 144800020 on Mar 11. 142800001 the Australian army trials truck was March 24

They built roughly 1000 exports before the Home market 1418...s started on Mar 31

Because the release date for the series 2 was April 16 Rover wanted to get exports out over the world first because it would take weeks for them to arrive at their destination.

Cheers Richard

[keith73]

Hi Keith

Actually the first shipment dispatched were CKDs 1438...s to Australia in Feb 58 but they wouldn't have been assembled for a number of months.

My one 142800016 was the first export R/H drive built and into dispatch on Mar 3

The second one was the first export L/H drive 144800012 on March 10

They built roughly 1000 exports before the Home market 1418...s started on Mar 31

Because the release date for the series 2 was April 16 Rover wanted to get exports out over the world first because it would take weeks for them to arrive at their destination.

Cheers Richard
I thought that might case when they wanted the series 2 to be ready for the release date.

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142800016 is still pretty much original and has never been restored.

She is still a good runner to this day.

Here is a small video clip around Mar 2011 for her 53rd birthday

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Cheers Richard

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Some in the Series 2 club in the UK are saying a mistake has been made with the Date stamp for #16 because it is too early so it may not be the oldest.

I put this question to the Gaydon Museum who have the records

Because my landrover seems to be the oldest recorded series 2 some have questioned whether there was a mistake on the original ledger and a digit may have been left out.

Mine was March 3 1958 so some have said it might be 13, 23, 30, 31 so that is why I was interested to see how it was written.

Thanks Anyway

Richard

This is the reply from the Heritage Museum

Dear Richard
the date's are not hand written, a rubber date stamp was used, and their is no scope for misinterpretation, all are very clear and accurately positioned. How Landrover chassis numbers were allocated is something of a mystery I am afraid.

Regards
DWT.
Bmiht.

I put this question to John Smith who wrote the book"The formative Years 1948-68"and he said the dispatch dates at Gaydon Museum are "solid " evidence.

I Believe the Dispatch date of 3 Mar is right because all the unit number dates back it up.

The unique thing about #16 also, is that it is the only known series 2 with a chassis Number stamped the same as the series 1 of 57-58 on the inside of the front spring hanger. Rover realized a mistake had been made and it was Restamped on the out side of the spring hanger in the right place but still upside down so 2 mistakes were made.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/45.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/46.jpg

It seems many in the UK just can't accept the fact that the first one is in this part of the world.

At this present time it seems #16 is the only known complete survivor from Feb-Mar of 1958. For this reason I have started a thread whether any of the original 100 sent to Australia in Feb actually exist. I would then be able to compare Casting and stamped dates with #16.

Cheers Richard

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Richard

I have a question perhaps you have an answer to.

My understanding is the dispatch books relate to vehicles or CKD kits (6 vehicles) that were for export and are entered as a date "In" (to the dispatch factory) and a date "out", would I be correct in assuming that these In dates may not actually relate to the date a vehicle (or CKD kit) rolled off the end of the production line, but the dates usually coincided or were very close. There is however the possibility that vehicles were assembled and parked in a holding area before being transferred to the dispatch factory for shipment. Is this the case?

For example I hold SIIb 33100095A and SIIb 33100105A (amongst others) yet #105 was recorded at Gaydon as "In" December 1967 vehicle and #095 "In" January 1968.

I assume that the reverse order was caused by the #095 vehicle either being held before being transferred to dispatch or there was a fit or finish problem and it was sent to the fit and finish shop (or whatever it was called at Solihull) delaying it's arrival in Dispatch. Similar problems or parts chain shortages could have caused the delay in 142800001s arrival in Dispatch also.

Diana

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Richard

I have a question perhaps you have an answer to.

My understanding is the dispatch books relate to vehicles or CKD kits (6 vehicles) that were for export and are entered as a date "In" (to the dispatch factory) and a date "out", would I be correct in assuming that these In dates may not actually relate to the date a vehicle (or CKD kit) rolled off the end of the production line, but the dates usually coincided or were very close. There is however the possibility that vehicles were assembled and parked in a holding area before being transferred to the dispatch factory for shipment. Is this the case?

Diana
Hi Diana
Firstly I would like to say I don't claim to be an authority on these matters and there seems to be no rime or reason at Rover.

But what you say is right. No Vehicle went into dispatch until it was completely finished. It may have needed rectification or was missing parts so it was held back until it was fixed. Some of the early ones built at the end of March didn't get dispatched until May or June.

When an order was received at the office it was entered into a ledger and given a Label number that was tied to the vehicle and went right through to delivery with specs and destination on it. But the order they were assembled still didn't go numerically down the assembly line according to the label number. It seems some orders were given priority and the other thing that affected the order was the paint shop doing runs of a certain color.

As an example here are the label numbers compared to the dispatch numbers for the first 1428..s

The Reference or Label number is on the left and into dispatch date is on the right

1. 1428 00001 24th march oz army 2.25 engine
2. 1428 00002 24th march rover co 2.25 engine
3. 1428 00003. 24th march rover co
8. 1428 00004. 3rd April. Rover co
12. 1428 00005. 25th march Nyasaland
13. 1428 00006. 12th may Nyasaland
14. 1428 00007. 31st march
15. 1428 00008. 19th march Rhodesia
16. 1428 00009. 31st march Rhodesia
17. 1428 00010 31st march Rhodesia
18. 1428 00011. 21st march Rhodesia
19. 1428 00012. 28th march Rhodesia
20. 1428 00013. 26th march Rhodesia
21. 1428 00014 20th march Rhodesia
22. 1428 00015. 21st march New zealand
23. 1428 00016. 3rd march New Zealand
24. 1428 00017. 28th march
25. 1428 00018. 31st march
26. 1428 00019. 24th march
27. 1428 00020. 15th April

As you can see, only the first vehicles have similiar ref numbers, these would have been priorty vehicles I suppose being demo vehicles for oz army and S2 launch.

I then looked for the missing ref numbers -

4. 1428 00029 Sudan
5. 1428 00030 Sudan
6. 1428 00031 Sudan
7. 1428 00032 Sudan
9. 1428 00026 rover publicity
10 1428 00027 south pacific
11 1428 00028 south pacific

You will notice that my one #16 and #15 were part of the same order, Label Nos 22 & 23 and yet the dispatch dates are miles apart even though my engine is #23 and #15 engine had #25 which is very close.

Because Solihul was averaging over 100 trucks truck a day at this time, all of this group could have been done by 10am on one day and yet they are spread over a month. ?????

I have probably confused you more and I don't think anyone really knows

Cheers Richard

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142800016 is considered the best early 2 reference vehicle that exists so if anyone wants any detailed pictures for a restoration here is the link to the UK series 2 club Forum.

Early March 1958 completely original 88 142800016 (http://www.series2club.info/forum/index.php/topic,32320.0.html)

Cheers Richard

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Some in the Series 2 club in the UK are saying a mistake has been made with the Date stamp for #16 because it is too early so it may not be the oldest.
It seems many in the UK just can't accept the fact that the first one is in this part of the world.
Cheers RichardThanks for your clarifying the dispatch a little.

Apart from Arthur Goddard. one of the engineers who qualified at Grenville's and was sent to the UK for further training was part of the SII development at Solihull, is still alive and well living in Sydney. Perhaps we need to assemble a set of questions on the early SII as 260 AC did with Arthur G and the 80".

The Brits are a little condescending to the Aussies in regard to vehicles here in Oz. Iain Reed's Misguided II and it's compatriot Misguided were originally British Army vehicles, and loaned to British Aerospace to demonstrate the Rapier missile system to the Oz Army. When we purchased the system the vehicles stayed in Australia with the Army. People on EMLRA are reluctant to accept that the vehicles are in Australia, including with the Oz Army service records for Misguided II because they have a disposal record from the Brit Army years after they were disposed of from the Oz Army.

[wrinklearthur]

Hi Richard

I am wondering for how long, the early series two's, had the same wheel track measurement as the series ones?

Cheers Arthur

[123rover50]

"Apart from Arthur Goddard. one of the engineers who qualified at Grenville's and was sent to the UK for further training was part of the SII development at Solihull, is still alive and well living in Sydney. Perhaps we need to assemble a set of questions on the early SII as 260 AC did with Arthur G and the 80".

I understood Arthur G was in Brisbane. Has he moved to Sydney?
Didiman

[Lotz-A-Landies]

"Apart from Arthur Goddard. one of the engineers who qualified at Grenville's and was sent to the UK for further training was part of the SII development at Solihull, is still alive and well living in Sydney. Perhaps we need to assemble a set of questions on the early SII as 260 AC did with Arthur G and the 80".'

I understood Arthur G was in Brisbane. Has he moved to Sydney?
DidimanNo, maybe I should have been more specific, "Apart from Arthur Goddard, the engineer in charge of the 1948 Land Rover project, now living in Australia. One of the engineers who qualified at Grenville ..."

[keith73]

This maybe off interest just take note off the date.This used to belong to a friend of my grandfather who had a workshop around Parramatta i think.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1401.jpg

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Hi Richard

I am wondering for how long, the early series two's, had the same wheel track measurement as the series ones?

Cheers Arthur

Hi Arthur

Here is a quote from John Smiths book " The Formative Years 1948-68"

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So all the first production series 11s had the proper wide Axles

Cheers Richard

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This maybe off interest just take note off the date.This used to belong to a friend of my grandfather who had a workshop around Parramatta i think.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1401.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1402.jpg
Hi Keith. Thanks for putting that on. I find that very interesting that a supplement was being produced a couple of months before the release of the Series 2.

What is covered in the supplement ? Are they changes that were taking place very early on or omissions in the original Manual ?

Because the first shipment was dispatched to Australia in Feb Rover may Have seen the need for a supplement to be sent with the order. I notice it is in a number of languages as well.

Thanks Richard

[keith73]

Hi Keith. Thanks for putting that on. I find that very interesting that a supplement was being produced a couple of months before the release of the Series 2.

What is covered in the supplement ? Are they changes that were taking place very early on or omissions in the original Manual ?

Because the first shipment was dispatched to Australia in Feb Rover may Have seen the need for a supplement to be sent with the order. I notice it is in a number of languages as well.

Thanks Richard
Mainly the basic,it coves the bonnet latch,the flaps,and adjustments for the clutch/ brakes and instructions on how to change a bulb.Also has the measurements,weight and payloads all in four other languages.

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Mainly the basic,it coves the bonnet latch,the flaps,and adjustments for the clutch/ brakes and instructions on how to change a bulb.Also has the measurements,weight and payloads all in four other languages.

Hi Keith

I wonder whether this is a supplement for a Series 1 manual because all those things you mentioned are about the only differences between a Late model series 1 and the new series 2.

Does it say what Manual it is a supplement for ?

Rover may not have Published a Series 2 manual by Feb and was using this as a stop gap because the first Series 2s were sent to Australia in Feb and they would have needed a Manual .?????

cheers Richard

[wrinklearthur]

Also has the measurements,weight and payloads all in four other languages.

Hi Keith

There was a question over the last couple of days, about chassis weights.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-3/136284-what-weight-stripped-lwb-land-rover-siii-chassis-dimensions.html

Given that the series 2 and 3 chassis are similar in size, any chance of the relevant info for him in the manual? never mind this question as he is after LWB weights!

Just for the record, what is the part number for that manual?
I can't read it, because it's hiding just out of the photo.

Cheers Arthur

[keith73]

Hi Keith

I wonder whether this is a supplement for a Series 1 manual because all those things you mentioned are about the only differences between a Late model series 1 and the new series 2.

Does it say what Manual it is a supplement for ?

Rover may not have Published a Series 2 manual by Feb and was using this as a stop gap because the first Series 2s were sent to Australia in Feb and they would have needed a Manual .?????

cheers Richard
Hi Richard
I was thinking the same myself and your right about showing the only differences between the series 1 and 2.
According to the manual it was meant be used with the instruction manual,whether
its series 1 manual or a series 2 manual it doesn't say,but like you said maybe just a stop gap.
Keith

[keith73]

Hi Keith

There was a question over the last couple of days, about chassis weights.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-3/136284-what-weight-stripped-lwb-land-rover-siii-chassis-dimensions.html

Given that the series 2 and 3 chassis are similar in size, any chance of the relevant info for him in the manual? never mind this question as he is after LWB weights!

Just for the record, what is the part number for that manual?
I can't read it, because it's hiding just out of the photo.

Cheers Arthur

4189

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I took #16 for another drive around the farm today and Janet filmed a small clip

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Cheers Richard