Puma fuel system query

[timandcarly]

Having just spent big bucks having the fuel system cleaned out after filling up with dirty diesel, am now curious if (and then how) I change the fuel filter and bleed the fuel lines on my Puma. Would like to save myself the expense next time if poss. Any advise appreciated, Tim.

[justinc]

The easy way is to prefill the new filter with clean diesel before fitting. No bleeding required then.

JC

[Nera Donna]

Land Rover recommend a specialized fuel priming pump. There available from the odd place in Oz or you can make your own (There a tread on here that covers that)
I bought mine from CCW Tools in the UK. I guy I work with lives there, so he hand carried it back to work for me.

See CCW Tools link below


Diesel & Petrol Engine Service Tools --- Sealey & Draper Tools - CCW-Tools (http://www.ccw-tools.com/Draper-Tools/Automotive-Range/Diesel-&-Petrol-Engine-Service-Tools/c-1-1856-1866-1959/)


Cheers Craig

[justinc]

Craig,

Unless the vehicle has been run out of fuel, then the tool is not required in my experience. When servicing these I just fill the new filter and all is fine.

JC

[Nera Donna]

Craig,

Unless the vehicle has been run out of fuel, then the tool is not required in my experience. When servicing these I just fill the new filter and all is fine.

JC

Thanks for that JC.
Good to know, makes life a lot easier.
I had some fuel issues a year or so back and I had a good yak with the workshop manager at the dealer about it. He recommended getting a priming tool if I intended doing some serious traveling. That and the tread a while back on the forum about the same thing. I thought 17 pounds was cheap insurance when you’re stuck out the middle of nowhere.
No matter as long as we can keep the wheel turning, that’s all that counts.
Craig

[kentkal]

I have replaced the original filter and housing with one that has an inbuilt hand primer for this reason. Works a treat. Better filtration as a bonus, 5 micron. Unplug fuel line at pump, pump with hand primer until fuel flows out (cleaning lines in process), no problems. I have replaced all lines with flexible rubber fuel hose and got rid of that ridiculas fuel cooler/heater which caused me grief first time in the bush (brush broke coolant lines off!!)

[P38ace]

Land Rover recommend a specialized fuel priming pump. There available from the odd place in Oz or you can make your own (There a tread on here that covers that)
I bought mine from CCW Tools in the UK. I guy I work with lives there, so he hand carried it back to work for me.

See CCW Tools link below


Diesel & Petrol Engine Service Tools --- Sealey & Draper Tools - CCW-Tools (http://www.ccw-tools.com/Draper-Tools/Automotive-Range/Diesel-&-Petrol-Engine-Service-Tools/c-1-1856-1866-1959/)


Cheers Craig

Have you actually used the Draper tool yet?

I bought that exact one many months ago and when I came to use it for the first time last weekend I found that the connectors were a fraction too small. It was not possible to obtain an airtight seal and basically it did not work and was useless.

Still looking for a supplier of the correct sized fittings. Anyone know?

[Loubrey]

I bought the one with the orange coloured fittings from over east (been a while and I honestly can’t remember the trader’s name, sorry!). We’ve got a few Transits in work and I supported the beer economy to get the workshop manager to give me a tutorial in using the contraption! Clipped on fine and sucked diesel as advertised... I must admit though, there wasn’t any air in the system at the time as this was just a demo on a working vehicle.

Same briefings though, fill the filter with diesel and you shouldn’t need it. I’m just keeping it handy in the box with the jumper leads and assorted odds for that “just in case” event.

[Nera Donna]

Have you actually used the Draper tool yet?

I bought that exact one many months ago and when I came to use it for the first time last weekend I found that the connectors were a fraction too small. It was not possible to obtain an airtight seal and basically it did not work and was useless.

Still looking for a supplier of the correct sized fittings. Anyone know?

No mines still in the plastic bag, sitting in the back of the truck.
Damn it's good to know that all is is not as it seems.
Rather find out now, than in the heat of battle when your stuck somewhere.
Well at least we're all in the know now and can attend to business. With JC advice theres always another option, so all is not lost.
When I get home I'll sus out mine and if I find a solution I'll let you know.

Cheers
Craig

[PAT303]

Should we give Ford a ring and see what they use?,is there a Transit Forum?. Pat

[Loubrey]

Pat,

Got mine from a Transit enquiry/google search. I had a look at the Transit and the Puma before ordering. Searched Land Rover first and got nothing as usual.

As a matter of fact, accidently double clicked and ended up ordering 2... :eek:

[Bush65]

I have replaced the original filter and housing with one that has an inbuilt hand primer for this reason. Works a treat. Better filtration as a bonus, 5 micron. Unplug fuel line at pump, pump with hand primer until fuel flows out (cleaning lines in process), no problems. I have replaced all lines with flexible rubber fuel hose and got rid of that ridiculas fuel cooler/heater which caused me grief first time in the bush (brush broke coolant lines off!!)
I'm surprised that any common rail diesel has stock filtration worse than 5 micron (unless there is a secondary filter)!

I use 2 micron filters with the old school mechanical injection system on my truck (although I know this system doesn't necessarily need that level of filtration).

[PAT303]

Don't know why they use 5 micron,Toyota use them too and they are having the same issue's as Land Rover,the Tdi filters are 2. Pat

[Allan]

Don't know why they use 5 micron,Toyota use them too and they are having the same issue's as Land Rover,the Tdi filters are 2. Pat

Pat can you fit the older filter to the Puma?

Allan

[pushrod]

found on in OZ here:

no idea what brand it is... no photo..
just came across it on his website

Dirk from Land Rover Tuning in QLD sells them :

Landrover Tuning :: Diesel Fuel System Priming Device Defender Td4 Tdci (http://www.landrovertuning.com.au/shop/defender/engine-tuning-defender/diesel-fuel-system-priming-device-defender-td4-tdci.html)

not cheap at $119...

i`ve been draining my fuel filter through the little screw-on bit at the bottom on a monthly basis to get rid of the water and crap in there
..always suprised how much water and dirt is in there...
it starts straight away after the draining without any problems. ,but have not yet changed the filter . will try the "filling it up with Diesel" approach soon ..

Andre

[PAT303]

Pat can you fit the older filter to the Puma?

Allan

They are different,I might have a look around and see if a different one fits,trouble with the Puma the delivery relies on suction so a different filter may cause feed problems. Pat

[Loubrey]

Pushrod,

If memeory serves me right, I got mine for around $38.00 from a general tool supplier over east. I might still have the delivery note and I'll post info if anyone's interrested?

[pushrod]

Loubrey,

that be great if you could post info about the tool..
many thanks

Andre

[PAT303]

Yep,I want one. Pat

[Loubrey]

I checked, but couldn't find the delivery note. I'm 99% sure this is the website though and the one in the picture looks exactly like the one I've got.

Diesel Injection System Priming Device (http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/1/AT000WH101Aa)

These guys are over in Hallam, Victoria. I've seen it work on a Transit and the fittings are identical on most European and American diesels.

[P38ace]

Loubrey,

Have you tested yours on your car?

TBH this one looks exactly the same as the one I have other than it's orange and mines blue.

[PAT303]

I'm going to buy one and try it. Pat

[PAT303]

Just ordered it. Pat

[Loubrey]

I bought the one with the orange coloured fittings from over east (been a while and I honestly can’t remember the trader’s name, sorry!). We’ve got a few Transits in work and I supported the beer economy to get the workshop manager to give me a tutorial in using the contraption! Clipped on fine and sucked diesel as advertised... I must admit though, there wasn’t any air in the system at the time as this was just a demo on a working vehicle.

Same briefings though, fill the filter with diesel and you shouldn’t need it. I’m just keeping it handy in the box with the jumper leads and assorted odds for that “just in case” event.

P38ace,

Not on the Defender, but on a Transit. Compared the fittings and they appeared identical. I was a bit reluctant messing uneccesarily with the Puma's fuel system...

[oldyella 76]

Could you put a solid state electronic fuel pump in the system before the filter to prime the system. When primed switch it off the let the other pump drag the fuel through it. It will work with a perkins motor.

[tuffrangie]

Easiest way is just run compressed air into the filler with the breather cracked open at the engine. No stuffing around and no buying and carrying bleeding tools.