Rear Brake Lines

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,
Restoring a 61 Series 2 LWB.
Can somebody please post a photo of how the rear brake lines should be installed?
A friend installed mine - and they look wrong (they don't go behind the protection plates off the leaf springs).
If somebody could post a photo - looking from the rear of the car, at the rear diff / brake lines - that would be FANTASTIC!
Or if somebody could just point me to an existing photo on this wonderful web-site.
Regards,
Grey Ghost.
PS - As Always, any help is greatly appreciated.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Copy Dinty's, not my mediocre example..;)

[fc110]

Passenger's side


If your'e using checkstraps, the brake line must be attached BEHIND the protector plate. I would also be a lot happier with your right pipe being attached to a plate to minimise vibration. On the left side there should also be a hose type clip around the axle case & brake pipe about 1/2 way between pipe union & plate for same reason. The clips on the plates have a rubber bush, some models had 2 clips/bushes on each plate each side.

[JDNSW]

BOth sides should have the plate shown only on your left. The pipe goes away from the axle on this plate, and needs to be clamped to the plate to prevent vibration. If you are not using check straps it is less important exactly what form the plate takes and which side the pipe is, but you might as well follow the original layout - it provides a bit more protection from sticks.

John

[isuzutoo-eh]

Thanks John, fc110,
I'll be on the lookout for another plate, I intend seperating, cleaning and oiling the springs after registration, and will improve the brake line mountings at the same time.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Not very pretty signts any of those images.

Dinty's 113-372 restoration would be as good an image as you can get.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Except that the OEM position has the pipes very close to the housing and usually just behind the lip at the top of the housing as it goes around the diff banjo. Very hard to do in practice.

[isuzurover]

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Except that the OEM position has the pipes very close to the housing and usually just behind the lip at the top of the housing as it goes around the diff banjo. Very hard to do in practice.

OEM also has 2 clips/retainers on each plate (one each side).

Rear brake line retention is a serious safety issue! Even Dinty's setup looks like it is insufficiently retained and would eventually fracture.

I have experienced this first hand! Although my system was still OEM (at the time - with all retainers), I had a rear brake line fracture about 1" from the T. Of course it happened while I was driving down a steep pass in the great dividing range. The IIA's single circuit brakes meant I rapidly lost all braking, and had an "interesting" experience getting to the bottom of the mountain still in one piece!

[JDNSW]

Interesting - I have been driving series Landrovers for over fifty years, and while I have had brake failures, none have been due to broken tubing. The only leakage I have ever had from a metal brake line was a hole worn in a brake line on the 110 where a nylon fuel line touched it. Note that it was the metal line that wore through, not the nylon!

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Ben

You are correct about insufficiently retained as there is usually a metal strap, similar to a cable tie around the pipe on the long side of the housing, but I don't remember there ever being two clamps on the check strap protector, just one on the wheel side.

Diana

[JDNSW]

Ben

You are correct about insufficiently retained as there is usually a metal strap, similar to a cable tie around the pipe on the long side of the housing, but I don't remember there ever being two clamps on the check strap protector, just one on the wheel side.

Diana

For what it is worth, the parts book lists four clips, but without a picture reference, and incorrectly describes them as being for the chassis, but the context makes it clear that they are the clips we are talking about. But like you I don't recollect seeing two per side, but I'll look over my collection tomorrow in daylight if I remember!

John

And it does list and picture the thing like a hose clip round the long side of the axle to hold the brake pipe.

John

[isuzurover]

For what it is worth, the parts book lists four clips, but without a picture reference, and incorrectly describes them as being for the chassis, but the context makes it clear that they are the clips we are talking about. But like you I don't recollect seeing two per side, but I'll look over my collection tomorrow in daylight if I remember!

John

And it does list and picture the thing like a hose clip round the long side of the axle to hold the brake pipe.

John

My 1968 ex military 109" IIA has had 4 clips since I purchased it. However the axle strap is missing, which combined with the rubbers in the clips being worn, and possibly some stick strikes offroad, probably contributed to the brake failure.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'll have to check the books, but mum's staying in the study these days, so I'll check tomorrow. My recall may well be the S1s but cant say tonight.

As for the tie, its a thin metal strip with a hook device at the end. A split pin slips over the un-hooked end and is then wrapped around the housing and brake pipe with the shaft of the pin resting in the hook device. You then tighten the split pin and it winds up the metal strip like a little drum winch and retains everything.

[isuzurover]

As for the tie, its a thin metal strip with a hook device at the end. A split pin slips over the un-hooked end and is then wrapped around the housing and brake pipe with the shaft of the pin resting in the hook device. You then tighten the split pin and it winds up the metal strip like a little drum winch and retains everything.

My 110 has one the same.



EDIT - FWIW, the broken brake line was repaired by crimping it and stuffing a piece of muesli bar wrapper inside to stop any leaks. After bleeding I then had brakes on 3 wheels.

[JDNSW]

Well, just had a look round this morning. Series 2a has four clips (plus the one on the axle housing). The old 2a that was attached to my overdrive has one each side (and no axle housing one) and the 88 mobile parts bin has none at all.

And, Diana, the type of fastener used on the axle housing is a type of hose clip - used (for example) for all the hose clips on my Citroen, except where I have replaced them.

John

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,
Thanks very much for the advice - especially the pictures.
That are a FANTASTIC HELP.
I have included a picture of my current set-up.
As you can see - it's definately WRONG!
Once again - thanks everybody, you have all been a GREAT HELP
:)
The Grey Ghost

[series3]

Here is a "2 a side" on a 71 88.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/111.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/112.jpg

[Dinty]

G'day All,
As mentioned they are 4 cilps (2 each side), the rubbers were badly perished and hopefully I could have sourced some replacements ? hopefully?, no way will the pipes fracture on mine, as it is new tubing and the Land Rover will never see any off raod use, not while I own it, I have a 110 for that type of play, anyway cheers Dennis:angel:

[dullbird]

Not very pretty signts any of those images.

Dinty's 113-372 restoration would be as good an image as you can get.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/113-372Brakerearpipesfitted001.jpg't=1282991497

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/DJM110/113-372Brakerearpipesfitted002.jpg't=1282991537

Except that the OEM position has the pipes very close to the housing and usually just behind the lip at the top of the housing as it goes around the diff banjo. Very hard to do in practice.


Bugger I knew it was wrong Ian has done the brake lines on the series amd has done it so it runs over the front of the rear diff not the back:(

[chazza]

Bugger I knew it was wrong Ian has done the brake lines on the series amd has done it so it runs over the front of the rear diff not the back:(

The 80" S1 had them running in front of the diff I think - well it was on my car.

It shouldn't be a big deal to disconnect yours and encourage them into the new position - I seem to remember doing that on my S1,

Cheers Charlie

[gromit]

Just had a look at my Series 2 & Series 2a GS.

The 2a GS has 4 rubber lined mounts and a strap (the one with a 'split pin' to tighten it). The series 2 has only 2 rubber lined mounts and a strap.

Pictures of the 2A axle


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/748.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/749.jpg



Colin

[isuzurover]

Just had a look at my Series 2 & Series 2a GS.

The 2a GS has 4 rubber lined mounts and a strap (the one with a 'split pin' to tighten it). The series 2 has only 2 rubber lined mounts and a strap.

Pictures of the 2A axle


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/748.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/749.jpg



Colin

My IIA (109GS) was exactly the same.