Potential S1 purchase. Advice requested.

[Mick_Marsh]

Gidday all.
A friend has drawn my attention to a farm vehicle S1 owned by a friend of his. I'd like to buy it. None of us know what it is worth and I'm not interested in getting it for as little as possible. As there are friendships to be maintained here, I was wondering what range the experts think it a fair price would be and what I should be watching out for.
It looks similar to this one but with doors.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=40414&stc=1&d=1319621600
I'm told it runs and drives.
Apart from that, I know nothing.
Thanking you all in advance for your excellent advice.
regards
Mick

[JDNSW]

80" Landrovers are becoming more collectible, but price is very heavily dependent on condition, exact model, condition, completeness, condition, originality, provenence and condition, that it is impossible to even suggest a figure.

To put some outer bounds, a couple of hundred might be the most you would pay for a late 80" that has a Holden motor and has been thoroughly thrashed, with a rotten chassis and bulkhead. On the other hand, a 49 model with original motor, good chassis and in going order might be worth $3-4,000, or, if complete in every detail and in good condition, and with a documented history, as much as $10,000, or even more if some historical connection.

John

[Sleepy]

Repeat after me...
"My Name is Mick and today I didn't buy a Land Rover"


Hehehehe

Seriously hard to say Mick....Chassis number will help...the earlier the more valuable...then original bits and peices will increase value (engine/pto?/winch?/etc etc) and then of course the obvious is rust. Firewall/Chassis.
I will start with $1000 to $2500 but really am plucking.

I have a couple of 1956 doors if you do buy it. And a bonnet. Yours if you need 'em.

[Mick_Marsh]

Repeat after me...
"My Name is Mick and today I didn't buy a Land Rover"


Hehehehe

Seriously hard to say Mick....Chassis number will help...the earlier the more valuable...then original bits and peices will increase value (engine/pto?/winch?/etc etc) and then of course the obvious is rust. Firewall/Chassis.
I will start with $1000 to $2500 but really am plucking.

I have a couple of 1956 doors if you do buy it. And a bonnet. Yours if you need 'em.
Thanks Sleeps. I might take you up on the offer. Always good to have spares.
The one I am looking at has doors.
I don't want to insult the current owners with an offer too low.

[Sleepy]

Thanks Sleeps. I might take you up on the offer. Always good to have spares.
The one I am looking at has doors.
I don't want to insult the current owners with an offer too low.

Sorry I misread your initial post. Not sure they are the right doors anyway. (I think they are off an 86")

Yeah chassis number will tell lots. Has it got the original motor? More details please Mick :D

[Mick_Marsh]

Sorry I misread your initial post. Not sure they are the right doors anyway. (I think they are off an 86")

Yeah chassis number will tell lots. Has it got the original motor? More details please Mick :D
Blood out of stone, how many bottles do you want?
More info on the S1 is going to take longer.
I think the chassis no. may start with 0611 followed by four indecipherable digits. Or would that be an engine no.? Honestly, the scribble on this piece of paper is infantile. OK. I was excited when I wrote it down.

[back_in]

Hi Mick
it looks like a bug eye 51, which are not that rare
If the engine runs and you can drive it
That is a big plus
and thats add a bit to what it is worth
if you wanted to bring it back to mickey mouse condition you are up for $1000's
to bring it back to drivable nick it would be far cheaper
to get it on the road, it would depend on your State requirements how far you have to go
In many ways it is fun, and frustration all rolled into one
I done 3 of them, if I do another please have me committed
start at $750/1000 you may get lucky
cheers
Ian

[Mick_Marsh]

Hi Mick
it looks like a bug eye 51, which are not that rare
If the engine runs and you can drive it
That is a big plus
and thats add a bit to what it is worth
if you wanted to bring it back to mickey mouse condition you are up for $1000's
to bring it back to drivable nick it would be far cheaper
to get it on the road, it would depend on your State requirements how far you have to go
In many ways it is fun, and frustration all rolled into one
I done 3 of them, if I do another please have me committed
start at $750/1000 you may get lucky
cheers
Ian
The idea is to get is registered, possibly on the club plate scheme.
From what I understand, I may get it at whatever price I offer. I want to offer a fair price as there are friendships to be maintained.
Thankyou for your advice. It focus' my research.

[Scallops]

I'll second everything JDNSW put above. So, what do I think it's worth? Something between what the owner wants to get and what you are willing to pay. But I'd guess a reasonable figure (which is a stab in the dark without seeing it) might be between $1000.00-$2000.00 depending on factors such as the original Rover motor (1600 up to '52 - 2000 Siamese bore there after) and running gear, chassis / firewall condition etc. Running is good!

I say come to a fair agreement with your friend and go for it - they are such lovely vehicles....and as they say, you don't have to be mad to feel this way, but it certainly helps.

[Scallops]

I have a couple of 1956 doors if you do buy it. And a bonnet. Yours if you need 'em.

That's an 80 inch and the doors are different to a '56 86 inch. ;)

[zulu Delta 534]

As John has said, a good restored example is worth around the $10k mark. Have a look at the item on offer and work backwards from that target price. Remember that original engine/transmission/wheels and ancillaries etc. are all worth dollars to an avid collector, as is its History.
Try and work out an average restoration cost to get it to that visualised condition, (If you have to pay someone to do it - forget it as the labour alone will eat up more than you can ever hope to get back) add the cost of parts required, rust restoration, body parts etc, upholstery and all the fiddly bits and subtract that from the target $10k and you should have an idea what the existing product is worth. (and whether a restoration is really feasible!- not that that stops most S1 nutters:))
Enjoy the project
Regards
Glen

[series1buff]

Another series 1 tragic..you'll be sorry .

I'd have a close look at the chassis and bulkhead first, these items are the backbone of the car and the rest of the car is relatively easy to repair. Look for rust in the chassis and bodged chassis repairs after a prang , it's very common. Look for rust in the bulkhead , they always go under the two reinforcing plates , one where the steering box bolts to and its mate on the passenger side . Water gets under the plates and they rusts out causing the steering box to wobble . Mike

[back_in]

Gee
I did not know they were different
Glad you told us
the chap needs help not useless one liners
cheers
Ian

[Sleepy]

the chap needs help not useless one liners

Thanks Ian, I think you are reading Scallops out of context.

I was not sure that the pic Mick first posted was the one he is talking about. So at first thought it might be a later S1. The offer of doors was a sincere (yet obviously misplaced) encouragement. I ended up with them because .....ok long story....not important now.
I realise now they are no good for Mick, whatsmore his has doors (as I said I misread his post). I appreciate many here (yourself included) have a vast wealth of knowledge on these classics.

Yes the doors are useless for an 80" , Scallops was just politely reminding me of that.
Anyway I am sure Mick (I know him fairly well, he gave me great advice when I was buying my 101) is smart enough to measure the value of info from a fellow, over enthusiastic, Land Rover tragic.

Anyway enough of a thread drift....back to the 80



P.S. Anyone need some 1956 S1 doors, free to good home, glass but no perspex...bonnet too.:D

[Mick_Marsh]

Hey Sleeps. Don't give away my doors and bonnet.

Oh, and Ian, Have a look at how many posts I have made.
I've participated on this forum quite a bit though not as much as others. I know a bit of what goes on here. I'm not a new boy.
I've found Scallops' threads and posts informative and helpful. I didn't read any negative stuff in what he posted and I'm sure he didn't mean any.

Back to the topic.

I'm getting the impression a fair price would be sub $1k.
Things to look our for are rust in the chassis and firewall.

Anything else?

[Sleepy]

I think the chassis no. may start with 0611 followed by four indecipherable digits. Or would that be an engine no.? Honestly, the scribble on this piece of paper is infantile. OK. I was excited when I wrote it down.

Reading http://www.landroverweb.com/Pdf-files/manual-series-1-land-rover.pdf

1948-51 MODELS
Vehicles numbered:
R860001 to R863000
R8663001 onwards
R06100001 onwards
) Standard vehicle
) Right-hand drive.
)
L860001 to L863000
L8663001 onwards
L06100001 onwards
) Standard vehicle
) Left-hand drive.
)
R8670001 onwards
R06200001 onwards
) Station wagon
) Right-hand drive.
L8670001 onwards
L06200001 onwards
) Station wagon
) Left-hand drive.
R8680001 onwards
R06300001 onwards
) Welding outfit vehicle
) Right-hand drive.
L8680001 onwards
L06300001 onwards
) Welding outfit vehicle
) Left-hand drive.
(The prefix R is omitted from vehicles built to Home requirements, bearing serial numbers 06110348,
06200265 and 06300001 onwards).

[Mick_Marsh]

Reading http://www.landroverweb.com/Pdf-files/manual-series-1-land-rover.pdf

1948-51 MODELS
Vehicles numbered:
R860001 to R863000
R8663001 onwards
R06100001 onwards
) Standard vehicle
) Right-hand drive.
)
L860001 to L863000
L8663001 onwards
L06100001 onwards
) Standard vehicle
) Left-hand drive.
)
R8670001 onwards
R06200001 onwards
) Station wagon
) Right-hand drive.
L8670001 onwards
L06200001 onwards
) Station wagon
) Left-hand drive.
R8680001 onwards
R06300001 onwards
) Welding outfit vehicle
) Right-hand drive.
L8680001 onwards
L06300001 onwards
) Welding outfit vehicle
) Left-hand drive.
(The prefix R is omitted from vehicles built to Home requirements, bearing serial numbers 06110348,
06200265 and 06300001 onwards).
Excellent research there Sleeps.
What are "Home requirements"?

[Scallops]

Gee
I did not know they were different
Glad you told us
the chap needs help not useless one liners
cheers
Ian

PM sent, perhaps a more appropriate way of addressing your concerns with my postings.

[Sleepy]

Excellent research there Sleeps.
What are "Home requirements"?

Umm
Put the bin out on Wednesdays
Feed the dog
Water the vegies
Get rid of all those old land rover bits behind the shed.
:p:p



I presume they are refering to UK market vehicles. Not sure of the specifics.:)

[back_in]

have sent a PM or two to Scallops and received replies
problem sorted
cheers
Ian

[Sleepy]

So did you buy it Mick?
If so, we want pictures!:D
If not, we want reasons! :mad:


(No room, no money and no time are not acceptable excuses:p)

[Mick_Marsh]

So did you buy it Mick?
If so, we want pictures!:D
If not, we want reasons! :mad:


(No room, no money and no time are not acceptable excuses:p)

How does "I've been distracted because I'm looking at a Mercedes W109 6.3 and another 101." grab you?
There was also a shorty 2a ex-mil, a custom 110 with a whopping great V8 and Mercedes W111 fintail that were looked at but not bought for various reasons.
The fellow wants too much for the S1. I might do a little negotiating.

I have the budget, I have the time, and now thanks to your kind offer, I have the room.
There will be a trailer, a 101, a Mercedes and a S1 Landy arriving at your place soon. When is the storage shed going to be ready?

[The ho har's]

How does "I've been distracted because I'm looking at a Mercedes W109 6.3 and another 101." grab you?
There was also a shorty 2a ex-mil, a custom 110 with a whopping great V8 and Mercedes W111 fintail that were looked at but not bought for various reasons.
The fellow wants too much for the S1. I might do a little negotiating.

I have the budget, I have the time, and now thanks to your kind offer, I have the room.
There will be a trailer, a 101, a Mercedes and a S1 Landy arriving at your place soon. When is the storage shed going to be ready?


Sleeepy we beat you by 2;) We have a series 1, series 2, RRC, stage1, Mark3 and a 88" trailer that are stored here, though are we counting:):)

Mrs hh:angel:

[Sleepy]

Sure you can leave them here. Just be advised I am very forgetful and have been known to misplace/lose things.

Now where did I park that 101?:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

Hey Sleeps,
Whatever happened to that 101 out west you looked at? The one with the Sankey?

[Sleepy]

Hey Sleeps,
Whatever happened to that 101 out west you looked at? The one with the Sankey?

Good question. Still got his email if you want it.

Just drooling over this one too.
LAND ROVER Ex MOD Military FFR Lightweight Series 3 has Gulf war history | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-Ex-MOD-Military-FFR-Lightweight-Series-3-has-Gulf-war-history-/290644865692?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item43abc8b29c#ht_1342wt_1270)


Ahh you can never have too many.:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

Good question. Still got his email if you want it.

Just drooling over this one too.
LAND ROVER Ex MOD Military FFR Lightweight Series 3 has Gulf war history | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-Ex-MOD-Military-FFR-Lightweight-Series-3-has-Gulf-war-history-/290644865692?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item43abc8b29c#ht_1342wt_1270)


Ahh you can never have too many.:angel:
That's the one Daks told me about a few days ago.
C'mon. We'll share a container.