Land Rover Portal Axles Available in Australia

[CJT]

You can now buy a full Land Rover portal kit in Australia.

Landrover Tuning have them for $16,260.

Expensive but around the same price as those developed and sold by Marks 4wd Adaptors for the Nissan's and Toyota's.

Here is the link;

Landrover Tuning :: Defender BOLT ON PORTALE available in a ratio of 1.6 to 1 and 1.16 to 1s. (http://www.landrovertuning.com.au/shop/discovery/suspension/defender-bolt-on-portale-available-in-a-ratio-of-1-6-to-1-and-1-16-to-1s-4-lift.html)

[uninformed]

MaxiDrive made these years ago, but alas, as with the closing of MD so stopped the loacl portal production. Wolfgang makes the ones in the link above in Germany. Im sure "Oilworker" will be along to discuss more as he has a set on his 130. It will be interesting to see how this Australian on seller takles road registration and engineering. Ill beat Wagoo to it by saying the 1.16 is not much point in the strength increase one would be after if fitting portals...

[justinc]

Looks tempting...:(

Serg, are these noisy at all as the pics show straight cut gears...?

I would say that if I could, I would.:twisted:

JC

[LowRanger]

MaxiDrive made these years ago, but alas, as with the closing of MD so stopped the loacl portal production. Wolfgang makes the ones in the link above in Germany. Im sure "Oilworker" will be along to discuss more as he has a set on his 130. It will be interesting to see how this Australian on seller takles road registration and engineering. Ill beat Wagoo to it by saying the 1.16 is not much point in the strength increase one would be after if fitting portals...

The onseller won't have to worry about road registration or engineering,as he is only selling the product.There is no problem getting a Defender engineered in NSW with Portals and 35's fitted,as long as the vehicle passes the swerve test,and the brake test,which the new slotted rotors and 4 piston calipers will address and the speedo is calibrated to read correctly,and the front bumper has to cover the wheels completely.
BrendanM has his fully engineered and it is fabulous.Brendan is using Maxi Portals though.
If I had a spare $16k I would be in like a flash,but I would import it myself and save a few $$$$.

Wayne

[CJT]

I know that the Toyota and Nissan kits can be approved in QLD but is a lot of hassle from when I was talking to Marks Adaptors.

Aparently QT wont allow anymore than a 50mm increase in wheel track even with portals and you can only run up to 33" tyres, not 35" like other states can with the Patrol kit etc.

[alexturner]

Just out of curiosity - when will this $16k addition to your car be necessary?

I've seen Land Rovers with strengthened driveline components do some amazing things... This seems a tad overkill to me - someone educate me otherwise.

[LowRanger]

Just out of curiosity - when will this $16k addition to your car be necessary?

I've seen Land Rovers with strengthened driveline components do some amazing things... This seems a tad overkill to me - someone educate me otherwise.

Depends on where you want to take it and how often:cool:

Wayne

[wagoo]

I know that the Toyota and Nissan kits can be approved in QLD but is a lot of hassle from when I was talking to Marks Adaptors.

Aparently QT wont allow anymore than a 50mm increase in wheel track even with portals and you can only run up to 33" tyres, not 35" like other states can with the Patrol kit etc.

A track width increase of only 50mm would make for a very tippy vehicle in steep terrain. The 1.16:1 versions provide a 100mm increase in ground clearance, whilst the 1.6:1 version gives 125mm. The general rule of thumb to maintain stability is, for every 25mm height increase, the trackwidth should be increased by 50mm.
Re noise levels of straight cut gears,. Halfshaft and upper portal gear speed at 100kph on 36'' tyres with the 1.16 ratio portals would be only about 600rpm. The contact pressure of the gear teeth with 2 idler gears would also be very low, so noise levels would be negligable, as indeed they were with Maxidrive portals.My own portals which only have 2 gears are also quiet despite the fact that I used old second hand Series straight cut transfercase gears that were real screamers in that application .
Bill..

[uninformed]

Looks tempting...:(

Serg, are these noisy at all as the pics show straight cut gears...?

I would say that if I could, I would.:twisted:

JC

Hi Justin, as Bill said, although he gave an actual technical response, mine is only from seat of the pants, or ears in the truck so to speak....the vehicle I have spent some time in, running MD portals, it is no more noisy than my defender. Ad you are probably aware with defenders, its no one part making the noise, but the sum of all those bits and the terrible wind noise.

[brendanm]

16 Thousand is the start of expenses. Upgrade to 35's $2000, Engineers Cert $900, Speedo correction $300, Custom rims to protect the brake caliper and limit offset $1000, wider flares to cover tyres $400, strengthened trailing arms to correct axle mount $500. This is before diff locks I imagine.
Ability offroad priceless.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Just out of curiosity - when will this $16k addition to your car be necessary?

I've seen Land Rovers with strengthened driveline components do some amazing things... This seems a tad overkill to me - someone educate me otherwise.

Every time you date a tall chick and still want an excuse to grab her bum i mean help her in to your car, you need portals.

[Rangier Rover]

very tempting for me..... its either portal my next tray back or my 120" or purchase a mog.

Sure i can justify it by saying, look at my potals with a landrover ;)


be well in excess of 20k once sorted...:eek:

[wagoo]

16 Thousand is the start of expenses. Upgrade to 35's $2000, Engineers Cert $900, Speedo correction $300, Custom rims to protect the brake caliper and limit offset $1000, wider flares to cover tyres $400, strengthened trailing arms to correct axle mount $500. This is before diff locks I imagine.
Ability offroad priceless.

You may have to add the cost of extensiveaxle housing reinforcement to that list.I believe that's what Marks had to do to obtain RTA approval for their kits.
I'm surprised that in the current global economy that Tibus has raised the price of these from around 6900 Euros to 9000.
Bill.

[CJT]

You may have to add the cost of extensiveaxle housing reinforcement to that list.I believe that's what Marks had to do to obtain RTA approval for their kits.
I'm surprised that in the current global economy that Tibus has raised the price of these from around 6900 Euros to 9000.
Bill.

If those are the current prices to purchase yourself you might as well buy them here and save the hassle;

Purchase Price 9000 EURO or $12,010 AUD
Frieght (Guess) $ 1,200 AUD
Duty (5% Purchase Price) $ 600 AUD
GST (10% on Cost, Duty & Frieght) $ 1,381 AUD

TOTAL $15,191 AUD

[alexturner]

Every time you date a tall chick and still want an excuse to grab her bum i mean help her in to your car, you need portals.

Well in that case - $20k well spent.

Or I could just use my boyish good looks... :wasntme:

[crash]

mmmmmmm POOORRRTALLS, but at $16k, I just can not see how the average 4wd user could justify them, even on a comp vehicle. They are impressive though.

[dullbird]

The onseller won't have to worry about road registration or engineering,as he is only selling the product.There is no problem getting a Defender engineered in NSW with Portals and 35's fitted,
as long as the vehicle passes the swerve test,and the brake test,which the new slotted rotors and 4 piston calipers will address and the speedo is calibrated to read correctly,and the front bumper has to cover the wheels completely.
BrendanM has his fully engineered and it is fabulous.Brendan is using Maxi Portals though.
If I had a spare $16k I would be in like a flash,but I would import it myself and save a few $$$$.

Wayne


mmmmmm Is this still the case now though in NSW??? I thought laws had changed in terms of engineers now and its not actually that easy to get your car engineered if it has a number of or out of the ordinary modifaction done.

Phil was telling me something about it the other day...while everyone was jumping up and down about VS150 (or whatever is whas called) they changed the rules for engineers and signatory's of what they can actually do..whic I believe makes the engineering process so unbelievably expensive that it will end up becoming out of the reach of the normal person..

this is only what I have heard and feel free to jump in and correct me

[Scouse]

mmmmmm Is this still the case now though in NSW??? I thought laws had changed in terms of engineers now and its not actually that easy to get your car engineered if it has a number of or out of the ordinary modifaction done.

Phil was telling me something about it the other day...while everyone was jumping up and down about VS150 (or whatever is whas called) they changed the rules for engineers and signatory's of what they can actually do..whic I believe makes the engineering process so unbelievably expensive that it will end up becoming out of the reach of the normal person..

this is only what I have heard and feel free to jump in and correct meI've been told the same thing :(.
One engineer for brakes, one for engine, one for seats.......$$$$$

[101RRS]

The problem with this new process is that it will make vehicles less safe rather than safer as people will just modify vehicles hoping to get away with it rather than pay the huge $$$. Yes some do this now but many do try to do the right thing.

What is the fine for driving a non compliant vehicle? I believe none, all you have to do is meeting the costs of dealing with the defect notice and changing it back. A small price to pay for some and in their view worth the risk.

Garry

[uninformed]

The problem with this new process is that it will make vehicles less safe rather than safer as people will just modify vehicles hoping to get away with it rather than pay the huge $$$. Yes some do this now but many do try to do the right thing.

What is the fine for driving a non compliant vehicle? I believe none, all you have to do is meeting the costs of dealing with the defect notice and changing it back. A small price to pay for some and in their view worth the risk.

Garry

If a vehicle is non-compliant it will lead to alot of trouble if in any road incidents or acciednets. All insurance would be void, and even if it was in an accident that was the other parties fault, it could be argued that the vehicle, since not meeting the regs, should not have been on the road and if it not on the road, the accident would not have happened.....if it can be proven that the owner new the mods where non compliant and possibly dangerous then that could lead to other trouble.....

[LowRanger]

mmmmmm Is this still the case now though in NSW??? I thought laws had changed in terms of engineers now and its not actually that easy to get your car engineered if it has a number of or out of the ordinary modifaction done.

Phil was telling me something about it the other day...while everyone was jumping up and down about VS150 (or whatever is whas called) they changed the rules for engineers and signatory's of what they can actually do..whic I believe makes the engineering process so unbelievably expensive that it will end up becoming out of the reach of the normal person..

this is only what I have heard and feel free to jump in and correct me

In NSW at the moment it is still only talk,I am not sure about other states though.

Wayne

[Casper]

If a vehicle is non-compliant it will lead to alot of trouble if in any road incidents or acciednets. All insurance would be void, and even if it was in an accident that was the other parties fault, it could be argued that the vehicle, since not meeting the regs, should not have been on the road and if it not on the road, the accident would not have happened.....if it can be proven that the owner new the mods where non compliant and possibly dangerous then that could lead to other trouble.....

Not meaning to hyjack the thread but this is not correct.

No matter what the case, if you run into the back of an unregistered, unroadworthy car with an unlicenced, drunk driver you can still be charged with dangerous driving and failure to keep a safe distance meaning that your insurance co would legally have to pay out unless of course you could proove that they were traveling at 60km/h in reverse and you were stationary at the time.

I know this as it happened to my wife.

Their car would not have been worth $50 but they claimed $2000 for it and all the above was the case, including the revesing at 60km/h out of a maccas car park as my wife was pulling in.

Cops did the driver of the other car for driving without a licence but as the driver refused a breatho they could not do him for .05 and the car was a write off anyway so seizing it was no loss to him.

Love our legal system.

I'm sure that these tougher laws will just lead more people to do more un engineered mods and run the gauntlet so to speak as it is already hard enough and expensive enough to get a car engineered, making it harder is not going to make the ones with the dumb and dangerous mods go and try to get them engineered.

Better to make it cheaper and more main stream and then everyone would do it and there is more hope of steering people toward doing the right thing IMHO.

I would love a set of Portals on a Disco but at 20k and a cloud over how legal it may be, I don't think it will become a reality for me either.

Cheers Casper

[uninformed]

Not meaning to hyjack the thread but this is not correct.

No matter what the case, if you run into the back of an unregistered, unroadworthy car with an unlicenced, drunk driver you can still be charged with dangerous driving and failure to keep a safe distance meaning that your insurance co would legally have to pay out unless of course you could proove that they were traveling at 60km/h in reverse and you were stationary at the time.

I know this as it happened to my wife.

Their car would not have been worth $50 but they claimed $2000 for it and all the above was the case, including the revesing at 60km/h out of a maccas car park as my wife was pulling in.

Cops did the driver of the other car for driving without a licence but as the driver refused a breatho they could not do him for .05 and the car was a write off anyway so seizing it was no loss to him.

Love our legal system.

I'm sure that these tougher laws will just lead more people to do more un engineered mods and run the gauntlet so to speak as it is already hard enough and expensive enough to get a car engineered, making it harder is not going to make the ones with the dumb and dangerous mods go and try to get them engineered.

Better to make it cheaper and more main stream and then everyone would do it and there is more hope of steering people toward doing the right thing IMHO.

I would love a set of Portals on a Disco but at 20k and a cloud over how legal it may be, I don't think it will become a reality for me either.

Cheers Casper

And flip the coin............a young friend of mine was T-boned (hit on the side) by a lady that drove straight through a stop sign. He was a P plater that had lost his licence for simple stuff (nothing bad like dui or excessive speeding) he actually should have had his licence reinstated but forgot to send in a form. The outcome was in favour of the lady due to the fact that he wasnt licenced, there for should not have been driving and in theroy would not have been there to be hit........

If your wife was holding a current licence in a road worthy car then yes they will cover her. Look at the fine print for insurance. If a car is not road worthy it will not be covered. Ignornace of the law/s in no excuse....your wifes case isnt really the same as the person driving the unroad worthy car

[wagoo]

I would love a set of Portals on a Disco but at 20k and a cloud over how legal it may be, I don't think it will become a reality for me either.

Cheers Casper
Keep the Landrover for touring.For a serious offroader 20K would probably cover a holiday to Europe,plus the purchase and shipping of a Volvo c3o3 or 404 Merc Unimog that coud be registered as a tractor for $75 per year. Only restriction that I can see is that it cannot be driven on freeways.
Bill.

Edit. Not really made as a bolt on for LandRovers,They are designed for US domestic 4x4s, but could be adapted. AxleTech International in the USA have 4 gear portals for $6495 a set of 4. Someone else can work out the freight and government BS charges.
robert.angliss@axletech.com