ubuntu 11

[incisor]

got to say their desktop has come a country mile in the last couple of releases.

like the new setup, very professional.

i can see why many don't like it but from what i have seen of it i think it is a major step in the right direction.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

wot?
no link?
:o

[incisor]

Ubuntu online tour (http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/)

[p38arover]

Is it worth another attempt to get to grips with Linux?

Probably not.

[incisor]

wouldnt think so....

we wouldnt want you breaking all their good work :p

[rick130]

wouldnt think so....

we wouldnt want you breaking all their good work :p

:lol2: That really did make me LOL too :D

[vnx205]

Is it worth another attempt to get to grips with Linux?

Probably not.

I found converting to Ubuntu about 6 or 7 years ago didn't require any effort. I just installed it and it worked.

I'm still running 10.10 because 11.04 created some problems with WINE and I need that to run the software I use to design kayaks.

I have decided to ease myself into Unity by moving the panel with application launchers to the left hand side.

[vnx205]

got to say their desktop has come a country mile in the last couple of releases.

like the new setup, very professional.

i can see why many don't like it but from what i have seen of it i think it is a major step in the right direction.

I sometime wonder whether some of the people who refuse to consider Linux because they tried it 5 or 10 years ago and didn't like it, are a bit like the people who make statements about Land Rover reliability based on an experience with a neglected Series I or II a couple of decades ago.

[Mick_Marsh]

I installed Ubuntu on an old laptop a couple of years ago (don't kmow what version) for a fellow who wasn't very computer savy. He worked out how to use the applications and installed wireless internet himself. Generally, he took to it like a hacker to Windows.

[clubagreenie]

I started with 10 a couple of months ago and just as I found my way around they went to 11 and bazinga everything's moved

[p38arover]

I started with 10 and hoped to get into it.

I gave up and went back to Windows XP. At least everything works with XP.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

are you saying something you own isnt broken?????

[curious4h20]

So i will start the rant,
Linux is like a Land rover, it will get the job done, how much you know how to fix/understand is the other tool. land rover lovers should love Linux.
Windows breeds laziness, every thing is left open, no privacy, and hence viruses, and hacking.
Linux is the opposite, every thing is shut down and you have to open it up for it to work. Linux is about security and freedom in one breath.
Windows users like windows, because they are lazy and therefore like to pay for the operating system called windows, virus scanning software, virus removal and a million other problems, hackers love to exploit, it is russian roulette with windows, sooner or later you get the loaded barrel.
I have been using linux since 1996/7, but full time since 2003ish. i have used mainly opensuse, but the last 3 years or so have used more ubuntu based linux, linuxmint <- very nice but use Kmint , currently my laptop is triple booted opensuse,backtrack and my main OS and fav at the moment' NETRUNNER'
I prefer KDE desktop to gnome but both run nicely, and some of the lighter desktops are great as well.
on some of the older computers and laptops,eeepc, pentium 1 etc, i like to use 'puppy linux' bring them back to life.
Oh apple users, in the near future, apple is going to control you just like windows had done in the past, and security, privacy and freedom is another future issue with apple, so you pay high prices for a good technology with money through the nose software, which has been created so they can spy and shut you down. time will show you that this comes to be.

so if you haven't at least have your PC dual booted with linux, you are crazier than me.

[incisor]

So i will start the rant,
Linux is like a Land rover, it will get the job done, how much you know how to fix/understand is the other tool. land rover lovers should love Linux.
Windows breeds laziness, every thing is left open, no privacy, and hence viruses, and hacking.
Linux is the opposite, every thing is shut down and you have to open it up for it to work. Linux is about security and freedom in one breath.
Windows users like windows, because they are lazy and therefore like to pay for the operating system called windows, virus scanning software, virus removal and a million other problems, hackers love to exploit, it is russian roulette with windows, sooner or later you get the loaded barrel.
I have been using linux since 1996/7, but full time since 2003ish. i have used mainly opensuse, but the last 3 years or so have used more ubuntu based linux, linuxmint <- very nice but use Kmint , currently my laptop is triple booted opensuse,backtrack and my main OS and fav at the moment' NETRUNNER'
I prefer KDE desktop to gnome but both run nicely, and some of the lighter desktops are great as well.
on some of the older computers and laptops,eeepc, pentium 1 etc, i like to use 'puppy linux' bring them back to life.
Oh apple users, in the near future, apple is going to control you just like windows had done in the past, and security, privacy and freedom is another future issue with apple, so you pay high prices for a good technology with money through the nose software, which has been created so they can spy and shut you down. time will show you that this comes to be.

so if you haven't at least have your PC dual booted with linux, you are crazier than me.

god loves a blind zealot.

linux is a open as windows soon as you open a browser, get over it...

so is a mac

the worst thing about linux is there are no "easy" tools to keep the crap under control

at least with windows and mac there are..

and yes i use all three and more on a daily basis

go play with bsd and learn the power of the wheel....

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[isuzurover]

Not fussed with the new ubuntu desktop personally.

We switched our work machines from Ubuntu to Debian recently. So far so good. Plan to do the same to the home machines when I get the chance.

[clubagreenie]

While I do like the desktops, why do they change layouts with every release. Being someone who likes it, but doesn't necessarily want to learn the backend to the n'th degree, I'd like stuff to be where it was pre update.

At least it's not windows scale changes but still. Give an option of keep old layout or change during update or later.

[incisor]

Not fussed with the new ubuntu desktop personally.

We switched our work machines from Ubuntu to Debian recently. .

my linux distribution of choice ...

was a debian consultant for a while many years ago

on a network of quite a few machines, debian package management etc leaves the others for dead ime.

aulro ran on it for years :p till i worked out that bsd is so much more secure :p and sparc is even better :p

but linux is still a good desktop option.

[disco gazza]

Hi all,

A question for all Linux users.

Am thinking of trying one of the following desktop systems:- Ubuntu--Debian or Fedora.
Have read that Fedora is the best out of the lot,but am open to which one is the more user friendly.

It will be put onto a clean desktop (oldish-ran xp before I upgraded to notebook).Will have new hdd in it.
Thoughts please.

cheers

[incisor]

It will be put onto a clean desktop (oldish-ran xp before I upgraded to notebook).Will have new hdd in it.
Thoughts please.

cheers
want you want to use it for is big factor

anything in particular ?

[JDNSW]

Hi all,

A question for all Linux users.

Am thinking of trying one of the following desktop systems:- Ubuntu--Debian or Fedora.
Have read that Fedora is the best out of the lot,but am open to which one is the more user friendly.

It will be put onto a clean desktop (oldish-ran xp before I upgraded to notebook).Will have new hdd in it.
Thoughts please.

cheers

Which is more user friendly depends largely on the user! And what they use it for.

The main differences between distributions are:-

1. Package management. Unlike Windows, most software you use is going to be either supplied with the distribution or downloaded from the distribution repository, with software there having been tested with the distribution. With this in mind, the way of accessing this is important. I prefer Synaptic, used by Ubuntu, Mint and others, but that is probably mainly because I am used to it.

3. Software supplied/available. For almost everything you want, this will come down to which version is in the repository - and this will be a balance between cutting edge and bleeding edge, with probably the most important being that the newer the kernel, the less likely you are to find you have hardware not supported. But you may also particularly want the latest of some particular software - which you can install from an alternative source, but no guarantee that there may not be problems.

4. Default software. While this can be changed fairly easily with most distributions, it is probably easier to pick one that defaults to something close to what you want. Main aspects are what desktop (Gnome, KDE, Unity, LXDE etc) is used and the overall load imposed on the computer.

5. Minor changes by distribution. These can be as simple as adding logos, colour schemes and backgrounds, but can also be extensive with lots of minor modifications, especially to desktops, placement of menus, hiding of options etc. Agai, this is usually easy to change, but you might as well get something close to what suits you.

John

[clubagreenie]

From my perspective, newish user of ubuntu, found it very user friendly. Easy to update, software is easy to find and install. Haven't tried other distro's so can't comment. But the installation process was a little difficult but that came down to a video driver issue. Was trying to use an external card which didn't have a proprietary driver as part of the package. Defaulted to the internal card, then once working found a driver and transfered back to the other card and all was good.

And there's heaps of help available on forums etc... if you're trying it someones probably solved it.

[vnx205]

"User friendly" often means nothing more than "it works the way I expect it to" or "it works the way I am used to".

As long as you don't expect Linux to be just a free version of Windows, there are a lot of options available.

For what it is worth, I started with Ubuntu about version 7.04 (Feisty Fawn). That means it became available in the 4th month of 2007. I was running it on a 10 year old computer. I have updated Ubuntu most times a new version became available and have updated the computer a couple of times, so the computer has always been between about five and twelve years old.

I have looked at a couple of other distros, but there were never enough obvious advantages or differences for it to be worth swapping. Ubuntu has an enormous user base, so help is probably more likely to be available for it than for some other distros.

However, almost every time I looked for help, it was because I wanted to learn something or play around with something, not because I had a problem. Almost all the time, I just install the new version and everything works perfectly.

It does what I want to do, so I see no reason to change. BTW, you will see a lot of criticism of the fact that Ubuntu changed from Gnome to Unity and a lot of people claiming that they have switched to another distro because of it. There are however, a lot of people who are quite happy with it. I have no problems with it at all.

Since you can download distros like Ubuntu, Mint etc for free and run them from a CD to try them without installing, it is simple enough to download a couple of the popular ones and give them a try. It is also a good way to make sure that peripherals like your printer will work. Of course running from CD slows things down, but apart from that, it gives you a chance to try Linux to see of you like it.

[disco gazza]

Incisor,

Just to surf the net and play some movies/music that I have downloaded over many years.Ohh and look at the rave dvd that i got when I working on mates disco 300tdi. :D

vnx25,
Thanks for the info,I'll go with ubuntu and see how I go.

cheers