Van air-con

[Pedro_The_Swift]

To run an IBIS AirCommand roof air con,,
Specifications:
Electrical rating 240V, 50hz
Nominal cooling capacity 3.2kw
Nominal heating capacity 3.4kw
Maximum rated current cooling 5.4A
Maximum rated current heating 5.6A
Locked rotor current 20A


a 2400iS Yamaha
a EU20i Honda
or
Generator 2.2kVa Honda Generator - Abbotsford - VIC - $ 1,320.00 (http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Business-Office/Business/Business-Shop-Equipment/AdNumber=AD004511462)

is it just the size/sound that makes the inverter type better?

[PhilipA]

Read this
What Generator to run Ibis (Aircommand) A/C ? @ ExplorOz Forum (http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/52399/What_Generator_to_run_Ibis_Aircommand_AC.aspx)
Regards Philip A

[mowog]

If its a recent Ibis aircon the EU20i Honda will run it.

If its an older unit without the mod kit it wont run it. I have an Ibis and a Honda EU20i and it runs the aircon fine. I have only run it to test the system no long term.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Thanks Phillip,
most of that info is a bit dated,,
I know the 2011 EU20i will start and run the Ibis,, but its at full load doing it,,

am looking at bolting one to the rear bar so size is not a real issue,, just $$ LOL!!

Are you around Inc,,?? lots of people saying no PC damage from newer old style generators

[Pedro_The_Swift]

------- I have an Ibis and a Honda EU20i and it runs the aircon fine. -----

I wonder how much it had up its sleeve?

[mowog]

I didn't try to run anything else so I don't know. I have heard the aircon dose run the EU20i to its limit.

Next time I am at the van I try it. I do need to give the geny a run.

[abaddonxi]

I wonder how much it had up its sleeve?

So you've got the air-conditioned comfort, now you just have to work out how to run the computer and get internet with decent pings...:p

[Pedro_The_Swift]

we've used a bigpond wireless connection the last couple of camping trips and aside from the ridiculous cost its been ok ping wise,,

and this should run the PC,,
EG3600CX Industrial Honda Generator (http://www.generatorplace.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=7)

[TerryO]

Hi Pete,

If you can afford the petrol to run a van airconditioning unit powered from a small gene then you have plenty of money to burn.

As a test, I once ran our vans aircond unit with a Honda 20ui gene full of petrol and apart from running flat out and making a lot of noise the petrol only lasted about 45 to 50 odd minutes or so from memory, and it clicked out if I turned anything else on.

You can always run two 20ui's in line through a special Honda connector cable and they will give you, from memory, about 3.6 kilowatts which will allow you to run your aircon and other appliances. Two 20ui's are in general pyshically smaller and easier to store than one 3 kilowatt silent run generator. But again the petrol bill would be massive and you would need to carry heaps of it to keep them going. No matter what anyone tells you a small silent run gene when running flat out is not silent, they make a real racket and if bush camping then it will drive you crazy eventually and have any one parked within a couple of hundred meters wanting to kill you sooner then later

If your free camping and must have aircond for some reason then you more then likely will end up doing what many grey nomads do and that is fit a house hold aircond unit on your draw bar and plumb it in, apparently the Fujitsu or Mitsubishi units are very good and put up with the bouncing around when fitted to a van's draw bar. The house hold ones are far more efficient then a van unit, very quiet and cheap to buy and install and most will run off of a 1 kilowatt gene doing it easy.

Van designed aircond units are no good for free camping but fine for van parks where there is plenty of power.

The other thing you can do is what many people who do free camping do and that is buy a couple of really good quiet low power fans and just circulate the air around the van which works for us even on hot 40 degree days. If your interested in the best fans available for this application then PM me and I will give you a link to where you can buy them in the US for quite cheap.

cheers,
Terry

[Fluids]

Pedro.

Long story short ....

For this application/duty, you need the EU30is.

If you want more ... PM me.

I sell these for a living.

[TerryO]

Hi Fluids,

I used to own a 3kva Yamaha gene that I sold because of the sheer size and weight. How does the Honda 3kva measure up size and weight wise?

cheers,
Terry

[Fluids]

Hey Terry .... 59kg. Not sure how the size compares to a 3kva Yammie ?? It's a whole class above the the EU20 units. An EU20 running A/C is having its nuts squeezed :eek:

EU30is | Super Quiet | Honda Power Equipment Australia (http://powerequipment.honda.com.au/Super_Quiet/EU30is)

It's quiter than the EU20i, and being an inverter, running Pedro's intended load, it would loaf along on part throttle ... quiet, and reasonably ecomonical (13L Tank).

It's transportable (bolt it to the draw bar).

For a little less bulk and more portability (35kg?) there's the EU30iu Handy .... but not as quiet. It's got a fold out pull-along handle & wheels. Recoil start, no electric like the bigger brother.

EU30iu Handy | Super Quiet | Honda Power Equipment Australia (http://powerequipment.honda.com.au/Super_Quiet/EU30iu_Handy)

For those that must run A/C, bigger vans & motorhomes, the EU30is is the unit.

The way I believe it should be done, is to run an Inverter A/C on the van ... not an old style cycle on/off type unit ... an inverter a/c run by an inverter gen' set is the ideal setup .... some of the "RV" style a/c units are bloody hopeless, take heaps of power to run, and cost a kings ransom ... where you can buy a standard household split inverter a/c for cheap $$$ and mount in a van just as easy as in a house ... !! .... and parts and service can be has by just about any fridge mech' out there ....

0.02c

[Pedro_The_Swift]

So what about one of these Fluids?
EG3600CX | Industrial Generators | Honda Power Equipment Australia (http://powerequipment.honda.com.au/Industrial_Generators/EG3600CX)

and this?

http://www.fujitsugeneral.com.au/product/258/autf18lal/#features

[mowog]

We have a couple of large 12v fans. They are not to noisy and they flow air around the van very well. The last one we got from Supercheap last weekend.

They are fairly flat as well with about a 300mm fan.

[abaddonxi]

EU30is - OPERATING NOISE LEVEL (AT 7M)52dB(A)*/65dB(A)
EG3600cx - Sound Level - 70db

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Thank you Simon;)
just for you--
http://www.uniquefirm.com/english/admin/upImg/Reusable%20Ear%20Plug%201260.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I am just thinking aloud here-(just stop Simon,,,) but seeing the weight involved,
and the $$$ and its position on a rear bar of some description, the security box it would be in could also double as a sound stopper, lined with this or something like it,,
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/267.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

A daiken 5kw inverter type is around $1700 plus the install of 600,, which is around 3 times what the IBIS install is,,
I have no doubt the Daiken is the superior unit.
hmm I wonder what the power draw on that is,,,

[TerryO]

Regarding fans, if anyone is considering one even for a camper then here is a link below to one that is really good, they are extremely quite and use next to no power. Best thing is the 3 speed fan is mounted in a gimble so it can blow air in any direction. I have one in the van and for summer it is a godsend and worth every dollar.

http://www.suremarineservice.com/807CA-WBX.aspx

cheers,
Terry

[TerryO]

Hey Terry .... 59kg. Not sure how the size compares to a 3kva Yammie ?? It's a whole class above the the EU20 units. An EU20 running A/C is having its nuts squeezed :eek:




Yep about the same weight and the same size I bet, that is why they both have wheels because they are both to heavy to lift and carry for most people.

cheers,
Terry

[Fluids]

So what about one of these Fluids?
EG3600CX | Industrial Generators | Honda Power Equipment Australia (http://powerequipment.honda.com.au/Industrial_Generators/EG3600CX)

and this?

AUTF18LAL* - Inverter - Compact Cassette || Fujitsu General Australia (http://www.fujitsugeneral.com.au/product/258/autf18lal/#features)



The EG3600 is a good unit .... but the roar will drive you nuts! :p It's a tradies type unit (and they are silenced by comparison to a real scoop frame tradies type unit ... they run large mufflers .... but still WAY to noisy). Simon nailed it. If you want to know what an EU30is will sound like when running an aircon .... take a fan heater (2000w-2400w) with you and demo one running said fan heater ....

Like I said .... EU30is or EU30iu (but there's not much $$$ difference and I'd pay the extra $$$ for the "is" .... 'cause it "is" better .... :p ... and you will have capacity left over to run the "ping" machines and other stuff :)

That fuji chiller is 5.2kw cooling capacity ... how freaking big is the van again :eek: ???? (Block of flats ?) The outlaws have a 5.2kw Panasonic inverter and it comfotably does an open plan kitchen, lounge & dining area .... and sometimes a small bedroom .... maybe 45-50sqm.

Isn't there space on the wall in the van for a std wall mounted inverter type unit ? The roof mount's a good idea though! I'm told it's critical to match an inverter a/c unit to the size area to be cooled ... too big and it doesn't work properly ... too small is too small.

PM Sent

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The 'net formula I found for aircon size said W X L X 173 plus 2000 if a kitchen is involved--

no?

[Fluids]

That's a new one on me ... ?