Where can my sons ride their Peewee 50's near Brisbane?

[86mud]

Hi All

I have been doing up a couple of Yamaha Peewee 50's for my young sons which they will get as a Xmas present.

My question is where can I take them to learn to ride properly? My backyard is ok, but it won't be long until the neighbours get cheesed off with the noise.

I am looking for somewhere we can set up a tent and ride the dirt bikes about 2 hours max out from Brisbane.

Cheers
Andrew

[ramblingboy42]

I dont believe you should......one of my greatest bitches......go and join a junior motorcycle club and do it properly, with accreditation, proper training and support, competitions and other interested parents as well as govt support in what youre doing.

[roverfan]

Absolutely you should, great bonding experience with your boys. Can't help with advising somewhere as I'm not in that area but nothing wrong with dad teaching his kids to ride, and then if they like it and want to join a club at that time.

you will be the best dad in town when they unwrap those beasts :)

[rovercare]

I dont believe you should......one of my greatest bitches......go and join a junior motorcycle club and do it properly, with accreditation, proper training and support, competitions and other interested parents as well as govt support in what youre doing.

I understand your user name....

[B.S.F.]

"Wyaralong Dam & Mt Joyce Recreation Park "' near Beaudesert maybe? Went there for a swim a couple of days ago and noticed that there is a dirt bike track;there is also camping.

[newhue]

I think Rover Park also has bikes, separate to cars of course. Not sure of distance and times though.

Could spend an hour or two in the car parks at Aratula servos, every second car seems to be towing motor bikes.

[CJT]

Check out this link and click on the Dirt Biking Brochure at the bottom of the page.

You can only ride on private land so will need to find a club or park that allows it.

Trail dirt bike riding | Moreton Bay Regional Council (http://www.moretonbay.qld.gov.au/discover.aspx?id=20967)

[Mick-Kelly]

Preferably nowhere near anywhere i am camping. Its one of the things i hate most in the world. And i used to ride dirt bikes.

[roverfan]

Anyone who would object to kids on a pee wee need to take a long hard look at what old age has done to them, just find a camPing ground in a local forest area and let the kids be kids.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Anyone who would object to kids on a pee wee need to take a long hard look at what old age has done to them, just find a camPing ground in a local forest area and let the kids be kids.

Old age has nothing to do with it. Trail bikes, generators, loud music and petrol rc cars make a nice camping area awful instantaneously.
"How's the serenity?"
Private or club property is a great solution!

[Trout]

"Wyaralong Dam & Mt Joyce Recreation Park "' near Beaudesert maybe? Went there for a swim a couple of days ago and noticed that there is a dirt bike track;there is also camping.

: No that's for the pedal powered variety only. But wait a few weeks and drive a bit further towards Boonah and you will be able to ride at the new trail bike park. Have a look at the motorcycling Qld website for info.

[rovercare]

Old age has nothing to do with it. Trail bikes, generators, loud music and petrol rc cars make a nice camping area awful instantaneously.
"How's the serenity?"
Private or club property is a great solution!

If you want that sort of peace and quite, go where it's not a public common, because you wouldn't believe, in a public common you may well find.........people:D

[isuzutoo-eh]

If you want that sort of peace and quite, go where it's not a public common, because you wouldn't believe, in a public common you may well find.........people:D

I do as often as i can, but that doesn't stop others from finding the same spot and bringing the noise

[ecn226]

If you are close to caboolture they have organised rides at the showground on Friday nights. Its only a flat track but its where my son started off.

There is also The Farm at Blackbutt if he is still going. John is the bloke that owns it and IS strict with the rules. Last time I rang him he had closed as there had been a fair bit of damge done by the floods earlier this year Google dirt track cowboys and the contact info for The Farm is there.

Another one is at Kenilworth. Google Parklands mx. There is a good little beginners track there and a canteen and a few shady trees. No camping there though that I know of.

Glendon Station is pretty good too but I haven't seen the peewee track as I ride with my son. They have on site vans and camp sites. Glendon is about 30 km west of warwick on the goondiwindi road. Glendon also have a web site.

Keep them safe it's a great sport regardless of what the knockers say.

[ramblingboy42]

I dont know why I got flack.....I think some of you guys just comment here for the sake of it....or for recognition.
an accredited club offers you the following.....
public liability
proper riding instruction
legal venues to ride in
full first aid if required
support and advice to parents
opportunities to compete and improve
technical assistance
plenty of opportunity for "bonding" both with dad and other riders
social activities for children and parents
Isn't that a better thing for everyone instead of going 2 hours out of Brisbane somewhere, possibly annoying someone?

[rovercare]

I dont know why I got flack.....I think some of you guys just comment here for the sake of it....or for recognition.
an accredited club offers you the following.....
public liability
proper riding instruction
legal venues to ride in
full first aid if required
support and advice to parents
opportunities to compete and improve
technical assistance
plenty of opportunity for "bonding" both with dad and other riders
social activities for children and parents
Isn't that a better thing for everyone instead of going 2 hours out of Brisbane somewhere, possibly annoying someone?

Yes, all positives, but solely doing so with a club limits time to given days etc, it's not that's a bad idea, but what's wrong with sticking the kids on their bikes in a paddock somewhere? Who cares if it bothers someone, they are having fun, learning to ride, should be supported, when they get older it gives them something fun to do that isn't loitering the streets or sitting inside

[RobHay]

There is a bike track on Neurum Road, about 20 K's past my place of employment. Go to Woodford and take the Neurum Road, which comes in on the left just as you exit the town, follow the road out past Villeneuve and you will see the track on the left. NOTE: If you arrive at Kilcoy you must consider the fact that you may have missed it.:D

[CraigE]

Anyone who would object to kids on a pee wee need to take a long hard look at what old age has done to them, just find a camPing ground in a local forest area and let the kids be kids.
I agree, too many precious hypocritical people out there. Not ok for kids to be riding a mini bike, but ok to have a V8 or diesel running. The vast majority of the people who object are genuine hypocrits.
I do agree they should be supervised and show a bit of respect, not riding through the bush and camps etc, but they should be allowed to enjoy their chosen activity as well.
If you want to camp in absolute peace, buy your own property or camp where bikes and generators are not allowed.

[CraigE]

I dont believe you should......one of my greatest bitches......go and join a junior motorcycle club and do it properly, with accreditation, proper training and support, competitions and other interested parents as well as govt support in what youre doing.
You can not be for real. Most clubs have way to many restrictions for just teaching kids to ride. I am as qualified as anyone to teach my kids to ride, why would I want to pay someone else to do so? I would really like to know what you call acredited training? There is no such thing at this level. Generally you are expected to ride competition Motocross and not everyone wants to do that. There are very few clubs with property that just allow paddock or trail riding.
On the basis of this type of argument you should not be allowed to take your LandRover camping either. Maybe you should only take your LandRover to designated 4WD parks.
Small minded, hypocritical, arrogant approach.:mad:

[CraigE]

Preferably nowhere near anywhere i am camping. Its one of the things i hate most in the world. And i used to ride dirt bikes.
Hmm, just proved my point. OK for you but not for anyone else. Now that is selfish.:mad:
Maybe time some of you gave up camping and 4wdriving and entered a retirement home.

[CraigE]

I dont know why I got flack.....I think some of you guys just comment here for the sake of it....or for recognition.
an accredited club offers you the following.....
public liability Only on authorised club days, use the facility outside of these days and you are not covered. Even then you are only usually covered for competetive riding.
proper riding instruction. Instruction at best is just given by other riders or parents. There is no"Proper Instruction".
legal venues to ride in Very restricted and contrary to what people are led to believe there are areas you can ride legally
full first aid if required Only on club days and only volunteer medics at best. Sorry but I am way more qualified here than most volunteers who have usually only basic first aid training.
support and advice to parents Yes granted.
opportunities to compete and improve Maybe, depending on the riding you want to do.
technical assistance That varies from some to none.
plenty of opportunity for "bonding" both with dad and other riders That is just wrong
social activities for children and parents Agreed
Isn't that a better thing for everyone instead of going 2 hours out of Brisbane somewhere, possibly annoying someone? No absolutely not, depends on what you want to actually do. personally hate most of these clubs as they are not about social riding but about competition.
You are getting flack because you think your view and wants are more important than anyone else's. And the poster did not ask for your opinion on the rights and wrongs, your likes and dislikes, but wanted information on somewhere to take his kids.

[ecn226]

There is a bike track on Neurum Road, about 20 K's past my place of employment. Go to Woodford and take the Neurum Road, which comes in on the left just as you exit the town, follow the road out past Villeneuve and you will see the track on the left. NOTE: If you arrive at Kilcoy you must consider the fact that you may have missed it.:D


That would be the Kilcoy Motox Club.

[Basil135]

Whilst I cant help with a venue, I am glad you are looking ahead of time for somewhere safe to play.

Only last week, teenagers were riding their trail bikes thru a public park and knocked an elderly man to the ground, breaking his leg & hip. They didn't bother to stop & help, and just took off.

Now, they were riding illegally, BUT, common decency would have been to render assistance. The police have caught up with them, and now the list of charges is just getting longer. Oh, and they have had their bikes confiscated as well.

The point is, where-ever people ride bikes, drive cars, buggies or whatever, there needs to be some common sense applied by all to do it in an appropriate area.

Maybe, just maybe, there is someone on the forum that has a property that might let you ride around for a bit.....

[strangy]

My mate and brother were on bikes with their Dad from the day they could ride. The common activity has built a strong bond, probably more beneficial now than when they were younger!
You wont regret the decision.
Sorry cant help with places to go, but I have found a few property owners over the years who have been happy for me to have bikes, camping and shooting.
Maybe an add/flyer at a CRT, Dalgetty's, Elders will turn up something good?

cheers

[PhilipA]

You know, most complaints about trail bikes, mini bikes etc all revolve around NOISE.
Make sure you have good mufflers on the bikes, or even add mufflers if they are noisy, and nobody will complain.

And I am sure you will not but "thats the way they came " is really not good enough.
AND don't let the kids remove the mufflers "because that's what everyone does" or "they go faster"

I have no beef about trail bikes as long as they are quiet. I used to ride one that was quiet.

Regards Philip A

[Basil135]

You know, most complaints about trail bikes, mini bikes etc all revolve around NOISE.
Make sure you have good mufflers on the bikes, or even add mufflers if they are noisy, and nobody will complain.

And I am sure you will not but "thats the way they came " is really not good enough.
AND don't let the kids remove the mufflers "because that's what everyone does" or "they go faster"

I have no beef about trail bikes as long as they are quiet. I used to ride one that was quiet.

Regards Philip A

I think, Philip, you have summed up the major problem people have with trail bikes, and the like.

It isnt so much the bikes or the riders, but that horrible high pitched whining buzz they make.

If you can keep the noise down a bit, then there is less chance of upsetting people.

[rovercare]

You know, most complaints about trail bikes, mini bikes etc all revolve around NOISE.
Make sure you have good mufflers on the bikes, or even add mufflers if they are noisy, and nobody will complain.

And I am sure you will not but "thats the way they came " is really not good enough.
AND don't let the kids remove the mufflers "because that's what everyone does" or "they go faster"

I have no beef about trail bikes as long as they are quiet. I used to ride one that was quiet.

Regards Philip A

No, some people whinge regardless, dude who's house I was working at, had one of them, his neighbour, who's house was maybe 400-500m away, turned up on his doorstep the day after his 8yo daughter was riding a PW50 around his house yard

Anyhow, crazy lady rants about its upsetting her alpaca's, get told to leave

Later that day, Local laws dude shows about, asks a few questions, then asks how many acres? oh 60+ acres, I'd suggest nightly perimeter fence checks as you can do as you please on that acreage:D

[rovercare]

Another one was just up the road from where I lived, all around 5 acres, young dude must of got a bike for his b'day, comes home every day and rode it for upto an hour, then it stops for a week, then starts again for another few weeks but this time quiter

After I was asked whether I made the complaints and the story was made clear, someone thought it could be me as I was a shift worker:eek:

Hell no, let the poor kid ride

People shouldn't be so intolerant

[CJT]

Australia QLD Brisbane * Brisbane Motorcycle Club (http://www.motozania.com/?option=com_content&view=article&catid=36:motocros s-tracks-australia&id=4270:motocross-tracks-australia-qld-brisbane-brisbane-motorcycle-club)

Brisbane motorcycle club have a track at Nudgee.

Might be good for a day out if you are not up for a weekend away at one of the parks.

[86mud]

Thanks for your replies..

Sorry if I have opened a can of worms and maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

The aim of the exercise is to find a designated place where my young sons can hone their skills on private land away from the public. The prospect of joining a club is possible, but it depends on what the club has to offer and this will be investigated thoroughly.

I'll contact the places that have been suggested on this thread.

Cheers
Andrew

[sheerluck]

Another one was just up the road from where I lived, all around 5 acres, young dude must of got a bike for his b'day, comes home every day and rode it for upto an hour, then it stops for a week, then starts again for another few weeks but this time quiter

After I was asked whether I made the complaints and the story was made clear, someone thought it could be me as I was a shift worker:eek:

Hell no, let the poor kid ride

People shouldn't be so intolerant

I'm with you there.

Our neighbours have got a little 2 stroke 70cc quad for their young daughter, and a larger 250cc off-road buggy for the 12 yo son. The 2 stroke clearly makes a fair bit of noise, but they don't ride it all day every day, it's just an hour or two each week.

Is it a problem to us? Hell no. Better they're amusing themselves like that than destroying the local bus shelters.

My 2 kids have got their own quads, 4 stroke 125ccs, which are really quiet. I asked my neighbour the other side to make sure it wasn't bothering them, and got the answer that they couldn't hear them, the only way they knew they were using them was that they would see the brake lights flashing on and off!

[86mud]

Had some time just now to research a bit further. Newhue's suggestion of Rover Park turned out to be pretty good.

I gave the place a call and they accommodate the little bikes with a separate track/grassy area.

Looks like I have a found a place. Just hope it isn't too busy over Christmas.

Cheers

Andrew

[Mick-Kelly]

Hmm, just proved my point. OK for you but not for anyone else. Now that is selfish.:mad:
Maybe time some of you gave up camping and 4wdriving and entered a retirement home.
So Craig is it a case of OK for the person with the bike 'but not anyone else' kinda selfish if you ask me. And i think you just proved my point. I go camping to relax. If i want to listen to whining over revved motors i go to Archerfield speedway. I guess some people have not yet evolved to the point where they acknowledge that their actions have impacts on other people. If you want to play on bikes then go to a track. I also hate people who think a camping trip is an excuse for a thumping stereo or pulling a bit of circle work in the car. But i gather you would be supportive of them as well. Hopefully i never share a campground with you. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[rovercare]

So Craig is it a case of OK for the person with the bike 'but not anyone else' kinda selfish if you ask me. And i think you just proved my point. I go camping to relax. If i want to listen to whining over revved motors i go to Archerfield speedway. I guess some people have not yet evolved to the point where they acknowledge that their actions have impacts on other people. If you want to play on bikes then go to a track. I also hate people who think a camping trip is an excuse for a thumping stereo or pulling a bit of circle work in the car. But i gather you would be supportive of them as well. Hopefully i never share a campground with you. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Just as selfish as you expecting everyone to sit in silence so as to not bother you, what is the difference?

[ashman]

Hi Andrew

As a family that loves the bush and my 14 year old daughter and myself like to ride bikes we go to Manar Park at Proston we take the family and camp there for a week at a time, they have places set aside for young kids learning as well over 15,000 acers to play around and it also caters to 4X4 driving and the family that runs it are a great bunch, look at their web site

manar.com.au

we have been there about 10 times now and there is a good river to have a swim in and plenty of camping with hot water showers and toilets, yes it takes 3 1/2 hrs to get there but worth it, all tracks are oneway so no head ons.

Ashley

[GregTD5]

There is a great looking Moto cross track down the Gold Coast.
I haven't been there, but have flown over it a few times.
It's down at Reedy Creek and the iPhone tells me it is on Old Coach Rd. I know from memory it is near the local rubbish dump, which is East side of Pacific Motorway, with the track on West side.
Hopefully a local will know where I'm talking and can help out with further details.

Greg

[ecn226]

Unfortunatly the Gold Coast council, in its infinate wisdom, is about to close reedy Creek and Stanmore Park. Thats over 2000 members between the 2 clubs with no tracks. I wonder how loudly that same council will bitch and moan about an increase in illegal riding. I personally dont condone it but can understand why it happens.

[Mick-Kelly]

Just as selfish as you expecting everyone to sit in silence so as to not bother you, what is the difference?
Sigh, well let me know next time you go camping and i might pop out for a bit of 5:00am bagpipe practice next to your tent. Seems that sort of thing is OK by you lot and not unreasonable at all. After all you arnt selfish like that!

[rovercare]

Sigh, well let me know next time you go camping and i might pop out for a bit of 5:00am bagpipe practice next to your tent. Seems that sort of thing is OK by you lot and not unreasonable at all. After all you arnt selfish like that!

Tit for tat, now there's the attitude

You don't get it, if I went to a common camp ground and you were playing bagpipes, that would be fine, it's a public common ground. It's the difference between riding a bike through a campground, music what have you, you go to a public area, you gotta put up with people

But what your saying is akin to hoping on a bike doing donuts next to your camp, that's obviously not the done thing

If you think it should be silent, go somewhere that it is, it's not difficult

[incisor]

Just as selfish as you expecting everyone to sit in silence so as to not bother you, what is the difference?
decorum i think it is called

behaving in public so your actions have little impact on those around you..

something peanuts have no concept of it seems and why i bought 40 acres so i no longer have to put up with self centered, disrespectful ***** in public camp grounds.

[rovercare]

decorum i think it is called

behaving in public so your actions have little impact on those around you..

something peanuts have no concept of it seems and why i bought 40 acres so i no longer have to put up with self centered, disrespectful ***** in public camp grounds.

Dec...dec....or...ummmm:eek::D

[CraigE]

Another one was just up the road from where I lived, all around 5 acres, young dude must of got a bike for his b'day, comes home every day and rode it for upto an hour, then it stops for a week, then starts again for another few weeks but this time quiter

After I was asked whether I made the complaints and the story was made clear, someone thought it could be me as I was a shift worker:eek:

Hell no, let the poor kid ride

People shouldn't be so intolerant

Yep, but if they know you are a shift worker they should talk to you about it. Usually a compromise can be found. A bit like mowing lawns, I would schedule mowing lawns around neighbors shift work if possible.
What irks me is people complain about bikes, but house renovations that are noisy from 6am to 7pm are ok. V8 Rovers are ok, crappy loud music is ok. Noisy lawn mowers and power tools ok. All comes back to my point of hypocrisy at its best. Oh and ok for creaming outboards at 5am?
People need to lighten up a bit and reach a compromise.
I am not for a minute condoning irresponsible behavior, but we should be able to enjoy all activities.

[CraigE]

Thanks for your replies..

Sorry if I have opened a can of worms and maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

The aim of the exercise is to find a designated place where my young sons can hone their skills on private land away from the public. The prospect of joining a club is possible, but it depends on what the club has to offer and this will be investigated thoroughly.

I'll contact the places that have been suggested on this thread.

Cheers
Andrew
Andrew,
I think what you are doing is great and some of the grumpy selfish buggers need to pull their head in and think back a little to what they did as kids. Too many forget this and are very hypocritical and my needs and hobbies are more important than anyone elses.
What annoys me is when you go camping, have the bikes visible and then some other clown pulls up and camps right alongside you and then complains about bikes and then does something hypocritical like start a gen set or get really drunk and rowdy.
I have made sure my kids have bikes (2 wheel, quads and buggies), gives them a lot of confidence and gets them out and enjoying life.
No matter what the nay sayers post, get out there and have fun with your kids.
Mini bikes especially dont make that much noise. I am glad you want to teach your kids the right way.
Have loads of fun.
Cheers
Craig

[CraigE]

Just as selfish as you expecting everyone to sit in silence so as to not bother you, what is the difference?

No not at all. Your attitude is anything anyone else does to annoy you is wrong and they should be persecuted and that is bull****. Fine if you want absolute peace and quiet buy your own little paradise and stick your head in the sand. Dont go to a public place and complain about other people enjoying a legitimate activity.
Yes there needs to be some etiquette involved, but just because you dont like it does not make it wrong. Especially disappointing form an ex rider and that makes it really hypocritical that it was ok for you when you were younger, but no one else.
I would dearly like you to have a shot at me for my registered road legal bike anywhere.;) I do have the right to ride this anywhere a car can go.
There are plenty of areas bikes are not allowed so plenty of options to camp without being annoyed and if people are riding in these areas you do have a case. Also if people are riding irresponsibly you also have a case.
But you are blatantly wrong if it is people out doing the right thing.
A roaring V8 Disco or Range Rover is ok though, hey.:p
I generally find loud obnoxious drunken parties are worse and these are not normally the young loud crowds, but the middle aged campers that think their **** does not stink. The worst are the middle aged cacklers full of wine late at night around a campfire. Last camping trip we had just such a group of grey nomads camped about 100m away that just hated kids and thought kids should not be allowed to camp or run around, yet they had all had kids who were off their hands. They were much louder than anyone else, including kids and gen sets and their loud wine filled noise at 1am was annoying, however I let it go. Though I did have great pleasure at making a bit of noise at 7am.
Yes there are irresponsible riders, but that is the same with everything.
I suppose all I am saying is there needs to be a little bit of give or take.
Oh and much worse is the nappy leaving, broken bottle brigade.

[CraigE]

Tit for tat, now there's the attitude

You don't get it, if I went to a common camp ground and you were playing bagpipes, that would be fine, it's a public common ground. It's the difference between riding a bike through a campground, music what have you, you go to a public area, you gotta put up with people

But what your saying is akin to hoping on a bike doing donuts next to your camp, that's obviously not the done thing

If you think it should be silent, go somewhere that it is, it's not difficult

Yep, playing bagpipes during the day is fine. At 10pm, 5am or 1 am is not, same for bike riding.
Generally bike riders look for a clear area away from others. If you choose to camp alongside someone with a load of bikes, well.

[Bigbjorn]

Good while ago we had a spate of illegal trail bike riding in the bushland at the end of our street. I was thoroughly sick of the rowr, rowr, rowr, pop, pop, pop. Eventually enough people complained loud and hard enough that the council eventually did something. Parents were fined. That stopped it.

A former colleague moved from the 'Gabba to an estate of 5 acre blocks at Park Ridge. After a while he was of the opinion that trail bike riders should be declared outside the protection of law. Reckoned if he wanted non-stop internal combustion engine noise he could have stayed in the 'Gabba. The last straw was two early teenagers who came onto his property and were hooning, sliding and jumping their bikes. With the aid of his wife and son he managed to close all gates and trap the kids. He took them home and lifted their father off his feet and shook him (my colleague is a VERY big man, former competitive heavyweight wrestler), and told him what might happen if he heard a trail bike ever again. After some police involvement (father called coppers and screamed "assault") common sense prevailed. Both were told not to do it again. Worked though.

[roverfan]

I'm still struggling to comprehend what a miserable arsehole you would have to be to object to a couple of kids on pee wee 50's.

Personally if I see it at my camp site my only reaction to it is to give the kids a cheer and help build their confidence. Ive just moved to a rural area and when I heard a few bikes fire up on the next property I smiled as I'd rather the kids have bikes to play on then go and run amok as there is nothing else to do.

[weeds]

im on the fence on this one as there is a fine line between kids learning having fun and your leasure times compromised.........

yes i learnt to ride a bike when i was young however it was on private property, have never held a licence for a bike therefore have only ever riden on private property, i have knocked back opportunities on the beach and state forests

when it comes to public camping grounds there are not too many around that you can operate an unregistered vehicle (pee wee's included), if i choode to camp at a public campground than i would not expect any un-registered/un-licenced riders around.....that why we have laws, it the people out there that believe they can ignore rules that really **** me off

i seen quite a few time little mini bikes out of control due to kids 'just' learning in public places which puts the general public at risk, just the other month my boys were introduced to quads....on a private property, there is now way i would let them ride around the general public yet

in saying that, if the parents show consideration and they move the activity away from the public and ride at reasonable times (8am-4pm or there abouts) than i have no problems with kids doing kids stuff.......thats learning to ride, crashing there bikes, breaking bones etc......

[vnx205]

I'm still struggling to comprehend what a miserable arsehole you would have to be to object to a couple of kids on pee wee 50's.

Personally if I see it at my camp site my only reaction to it is to give the kids a cheer and help build their confidence. Ive just moved to a rural area and when I heard a few bikes fire up on the next property I smiled as I'd rather the kids have bikes to play on then go and run amok as there is nothing else to do.

There seem to be a couple of reasons why this discussion appears to be moving people further apart rather than having any possibility of leading to some understanding, agreement or compromise.

Just selecting one at random, the post quoted here (like some others) offers a false dichotomy or false dilemma.

http://www.philosophy-index.com/logic/fallacies/false-dilemma.php
A false dichotomy or false dilemma occurs when an argument presents two options and ignores, either purposefully or out of ignorance, other alternatives.

The statement, "I'd rather the kids have bikes to play on then go and run amok as there is nothing else to do", is a false dichotomy because it suggests that there are only two possible activities for kids: riding bikes and running amok.

Clearly this is not the case as there are plenty of other things that kids might do apart from those two activities.

Suggesting that things are black and white when really they are shades of grey does little to help others accept your point of view. Of course there are bike riders, bagpipe players, revellers and generator owners who deliberately annoy others and there are some that inadvertently annoy others. Just as there are members of those same groups who make the effort to indulge in their chosen activity in a way that minimises the impact on others. Claiming that everyone belongs in either the former or the latter group is unrealistic and unhelpful.

However if people are just using this as an opportunity to abuse those who hold a view different from their own, then don't let me stop you. :p:p:p

[CraigE]

Rovercare,
My comments were not aimed at you, but the previous post. For some reason it only quoted yours.
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So Craig is it a case of OK for the person with the bike 'but not anyone else' kinda selfish if you ask me. And i think you just proved my point. I go camping to relax. If i want to listen to whining over revved motors i go to Archerfield speedway. I guess some people have not yet evolved to the point where they acknowledge that their actions have impacts on other people. If you want to play on bikes then go to a track. I also hate people who think a camping trip is an excuse for a thumping stereo or pulling a bit of circle work in the car. But i gather you would be supportive of them as well. Hopefully i never share a campground with you. :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

And Mick, no I do not support aggressive and irresponsible behaviour, but you obviously support aggressive behaviour as you seem to believe your viewpoint is the only one and your recreational activities over ride everyone elses.
I have a road and trail registered bike, legal anywhere to ride, so how dare you tell me that I should go play on a track. I can ride it anywher a car can go and some more. How dare you think you can drive a 4x4 up a track but I can not ride my bike. On the same philosphy all road bike riders should only ride on a race track. All 4x4 owners should only drive on a designated 4x4 park track.
As I have said there are so many areas where bikes are not allowed anyway and yes some respect is deserved, but to be quite honest come up to me and tell me I can not ride my bike in a legitimate and legal fashion and see where that gets you.
Mate you really seem to be very self centered on issues like this.
Surely there is middle ground? Maybe not. Not everything is as we would personally like it and a bit of give and take is required to survive.
I will clarify it for you I would not crank my bike or my kids early in the morning, nor would I rev the guts out of them around a camp or cut loose.
Our last holiday we actually camped at a place where dirt bikes were not allowed and had absolutely no problem with that. I would not generally take dirt bikes into unacceptable areas.
The person with the bike is not being selfish at all in general, are they telling you what you can and can not do? Just because I do not like your activity or passtime, does that mean you should not do it?
And yes I would do circle work on private property.:p
And no I do not like booming music at a camp, but I do like some music on.


No not at all. Your attitude is anything anyone else does to annoy you is wrong and they should be persecuted and that is bull****. Fine if you want absolute peace and quiet buy your own little paradise and stick your head in the sand. Dont go to a public place and complain about other people enjoying a legitimate activity.
Yes there needs to be some etiquette involved, but just because you dont like it does not make it wrong. Especially disappointing form an ex rider and that makes it really hypocritical that it was ok for you when you were younger, but no one else.
I would dearly like you to have a shot at me for my registered road legal bike anywhere.;) I do have the right to ride this anywhere a car can go.
There are plenty of areas bikes are not allowed so plenty of options to camp without being annoyed and if people are riding in these areas you do have a case. Also if people are riding irresponsibly you also have a case.
But you are blatantly wrong if it is people out doing the right thing.
A roaring V8 Disco or Range Rover is ok though, hey.:p
I generally find loud obnoxious drunken parties are worse and these are not normally the young loud crowds, but the middle aged campers that think their **** does not stink. The worst are the middle aged cacklers full of wine late at night around a campfire. Last camping trip we had just such a group of grey nomads camped about 100m away that just hated kids and thought kids should not be allowed to camp or run around, yet they had all had kids who were off their hands. They were much louder than anyone else, including kids and gen sets and their loud wine filled noise at 1am was annoying, however I let it go. Though I did have great pleasure at making a bit of noise at 7am.
Yes there are irresponsible riders, but that is the same with everything.
I suppose all I am saying is there needs to be a little bit of give or take.
Oh and much worse is the nappy leaving, broken bottle brigade.

[CraigE]

I sort of agree. Depends on what you call public and private. I would never ride unregistered bikes in well used camp grounds. However there are certain areas you are quite legally allowed to ride unregistered vehicle. I actually had this discussion with our law enforcement a few weeks back regarding off road registration and I was advised not to bother unless I specifically wanted to tram along or cross roads and this was generally aimed at farming tractors, bikes and quads. I was advised that on most crown land it was in fact legal to ride as long as it was a minimum distance from a town or residence and we would not have any issues. A bit hard to ride on private land up here as there is not much. It is either crown land or station land. I for one prefer a bit more sedate trail ride than a motocross track.
You obviously can not do it in a National Park etc.
However I do not see an issue if I went out to a place like Round Hill and Whaleback Creek and no one else has set up camp and wants peace and quiet. However we camped out here a couple of weeks ago and set up camp with some morons electing to ride through or near the camp at speed. Needless to say they did get a talking to as that is not acceptable behaviour, though we had no problem with them riding.
What I struggle with is 4X4 drivers being so anti mororbike. That is Hypocrisy at its very best. Usually these people have passtimes though different that impact on people around them as well. We could create on hell of a list. People need to compromise, but still treat each other with some respect.


im on the fence on this one as there is a fine line between kids learning having fun and your leasure times compromised.........

yes i learnt to ride a bike when i was young however it was on private property, have never held a licence for a bike therefore have only ever riden on private property, i have knocked back opportunities on the beach and state forests

when it comes to public camping grounds there are not too many around that you can operate an unregistered vehicle (pee wee's included), if i choode to camp at a public campground than i would not expect any un-registered/un-licenced riders around.....that why we have laws, it the people out there that believe they can ignore rules that really **** me off

i seen quite a few time little mini bikes out of control due to kids 'just' learning in public places which puts the general public at risk, just the other month my boys were introduced to quads....on a private property, there is now way i would let them ride around the general public yet

in saying that, if the parents show consideration and they move the activity away from the public and ride at reasonable times (8am-4pm or there abouts) than i have no problems with kids doing kids stuff.......thats learning to ride, crashing there bikes, breaking bones etc......

[isuzurover]

...However there are certain areas you are quite legally allowed to ride unregistered vehicle. I actually had this discussion with our law enforcement a few weeks back regarding off road registration and I was advised not to bother unless I specifically wanted to tram along or cross roads and this was generally aimed at farming tractors, bikes and quads. I was advised that on most crown land it was in fact legal to ride as long as it was a minimum distance from a town or residence and we would not have any issues. ...

WA rules and regs are not the same as East coast rules and regs.

I am not aware of any crown/public land in SEQ where you can legally ride. When I was young a couple of mates/neighbours were fined by the (QLD) police for wheeling their bikes across the road (engines off) so they could ride in nearby bushland.

QLD Rules:
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/aa00b83d-c7bf-4e45-b472-ac1a0a233adf/information_for_conditionally_registered_bikes.pdf

[CraigE]

WA rules and regs are not the same as East coast rules and regs.

I am not aware of any crown/public land in SEQ where you can legally ride. When I was young a couple of mates/neighbours were fined by the (QLD) police for wheeling their bikes across the road (engines off) so they could ride in nearby bushland.

QLD Rules:
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/aa00b83d-c7bf-4e45-b472-ac1a0a233adf/information_for_conditionally_registered_bikes.pdf

Yeah even over here it is a very grey area. Yes you can be booked for wheeling your bike across a road even in WA. Pretty harsh in country WA areas.
A lot of the problem is people do not want to motocross ride. Private land holders dont want to let people ride on their property for fear of litigation if someone hurts themselves. What areas there once were for riding have slowly been eliminated.
Instead of everyone sticking their heads in the sand, we should be designating areas were people can indulge their hobby and ride. Fairly easy answer. Once designated a recreational motor vehicle area, anyone who then camps there can not complain.
Does not take away the fact that a registered and roadworthy bike rider still has the same rights as a car or 4x4 driver.
Fortuanately most country coppers in WA so some discretion for those doing the right thing. Also in WA some councils do have dedicated off road vehicle areas, though that is diminishing fast.
There is after all room for us to enjoy most activities in this big country.
This is the area I am talking about and there must be some in eastern states and what was quoted to me by WA authorities so not much different.

Where you can use your bike
With authorisation from the land or area owner, you
can operate your bike and access roads within the
following areas:
• car parks, parklands, resorts, university grounds, hospital
grounds, refuse/recycling depots, wharfs, cemeteries
and showgrounds, some designated areas that are state
or freehold land and reserves.

Also in WA some parts of the community are trying to provide a solution. Getting a working model will be difficult
http://tbma.com.au/stbs

Parents initially teaching their kids to ride, need a quiet flat area. You can not teach kids to ride at an overcrowded, high traffic venue.

[B.S.F.]

The Moto Park at Wyaralong off the Beaudesert -Boonah road is now open and includes ,according to the local paper, * three motocross tracks * one pee wee track * area for novice riders * freestyle motocross track * Up to 40km of recreational trails *
W.