1960 88 wagon

[440junk]

Hi everyone, this is my landrover that i recently purchased. Im new to landrovers so i have been lurking around on this excellent site looking for information. I have been chatting with Lotz-A-Landies along with consulting the owners manual that came with it to determine exactly what she is. The previous owner purchased her when she was a couple years old when he was working up in Port Moresby, when he came back to Oz her brought her with him and has kept her the whole time. He cared for her quite well really and she was kept under cover when not being driven so there seems to be very little damage from the weather. According to the owners manual, she is a "deluxe" model, coming from the factory with a whole list of options including the hard top, rear station wagon type door, 7 seats, de-luxe trim including roof lining, floor coverings, trim panels with arm rests, private locks and window catches, she has the original water temp/oil press gauge, for some reason two indicator levers, one on the steering column and one on the dash, spare wheel carrier on the bonnet and on the rear door, folding step for the rear door, lifting and towing rings, tropical roof and alpine windows, the rest i dont really know about. Up until yesterday she was still registerd and occasionally driven. She is a petrol engine too. Any info you can provide as to where to look for rust or common issues would be great.

[JDNSW]

Look for rust primarily in the bulkhead, round the pedals, and near the hinges and vents. Also in the door frames and the chassis, especially anywhere that mud can accumulate, and the radiator support along the bottom.

There are no particular issues, other than those that arise from the fact that it is fifty years old. Because of the age, check anything rubber for condition - radiator hoses, flexible brake hoses, brake seals, tie rod end boots, this sort of thing. But general condition will depend on mileage and how it has been looked after.

If it runs well and everything works, well and good. If there are problems, often a search will find it has already been answered.

When looking for information, note that a lot of bit are common between Series 2, 2a and 3, so the answer may be in other sections.

If it came originally from Port Moresby, it would be interesting to see whether it was originally assembled in Australia or is a UK model. The chassis number would give this information. If Australian assembled, I would expect it to have a Pressed Metal Corporation tag on the bulkhead near the one with transfer lever instructions. My guess is that it was not assembled in Australia.

More pictures would be appreciated.

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Phill

Now that I can see a picture, what a great find. :) :)

To answer part of John's question, we have already checked and the vehicle is a UK assembled Export model, which AFAIK all the 88" Station Wagons of the era were.

Thanks for showing us, and more photos would be welcome! :BigThumb:

Diana

[incisor]

the australian csk ones didn't have the glass in the roof i am lead to believe

i have an australian csk 88 station wagon roof and sides and it has no glass in the roof.

[440junk]

as requested

[440junk]

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[440junk]

the australian csk ones didn't have the glass in the roof i am lead to believe

i have an australian csk 88 station wagon roof and sides and it has no glass in the roof.


what is "csk"

[Lotz-A-Landies]

A little bit of TLC and that vehicle will come up a beaut! :)

CSK I'm thinking is CKD for the dyslexic, although I could be wrong! ;)

[incisor]

CSK I'm thinking is CKD for the dyslexic, although I could be wrong! ;)
yeah CKD for the non distracted, sorry

[JDNSW]

Very nice find! Looks as if it just needs a bit of a polish and some upholstery repairs.

John

[stevep]

Looks great :) Like the photos.

I want the sun hood (the thing fixed to the windscreen, not sure of the correct term). I used to have one on my 1969 S2a. Does anybody know if you can still buy them?

regards
Steve

[isuzutoo-eh]

A year or so ago Hyway Accessories listed Eyebrow Sun Visors for Land Rovers, but I can't find them on their website now-everything else from Camrys to Macks are there!
Hyway Truck Accessories Online store (http://www.hyway-store.com)

[bobslandies]

Looks great :) Like the photos.

I want the sun hood (the thing fixed to the windscreen, not sure of the correct term). I used to have one on my 1969 S2a. Does anybody know if you can still buy them?

regards
Steve

Try the factory -
Hy-way Sunvisors Pty Ltd 30-32 Adderley Street East, Lidcombe NSW 2141 ph 1300 410 173, (02) 9748 0660; Hy-Way Sunvisors (http://www.hy-waysunvisors.com.au)

Still on this list (dated 2010) on their website:

Hy-Way Sunvisors Pty Ltd (LIDCOMBE,NSW) (http://hywaysunvisors.rtrk.com.au/'scid=37308&kw=4415494&pub_cr_id=2980725057)

Bob

[440junk]

Thanks everyone. Started going through it and everything that came with it. The guy have me a fair bit of spare parts, but I have found the water pump is no good. It has a fair bit of movement in the shaft. I'm told there are 2 pumps identified by the number of bolt holes 8&9, one is rebuildable one is a replacement. I have been quoted around 175 for the rebuild kit and around 250 if it is the replaceable one. Does that sound like a fair price? Any recommended suppliers?

[isuzutoo-eh]

Thats too pricey! If its a 2.25 litre engine the one you're likely after is this one:
Land rover Series 2a-3 New 4 cyl water pump | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Land-rover-Series-2a-3-New-4-cyl-water-pump-/250938430281?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a6d189349)
which is what I and many others use. It is one of the better Britpart products, unlike some of their gear.

[440junk]

Thanks. That will sort it out. What carburetor should it have on it? The PO said he ditched the original air cleaner as it was an oil bath type. Just wondering what I would need to get it back to totally original.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks. That will sort it out. What carburetor should it have on it? The PO said he ditched the original air cleaner as it was an oil bath type. Just wondering what I would need to get it back to totally original.It should have a Solex carby on it, and given that you have a paper element filter fitted (likely Holden) I rather suspect someone has fitted a Stromberg BXUV-2

[440junk]

Yeah it has a stromberg. I will check the carb in the box of parts and see what it is. If not any ideas where to get a carb and orig air cleaner?

[144002080]

Wow what a lovely find. :)

I have a 1960 model year too, but LHD, and horribly mutilated by previous owners. I have replaced my chassis as it was paper thin just in front of the front mountings of the rear springs, as well as the rear cross-member being rusted through. Please keep posting pictures.

Don't forget the series 2 club in the UK can help you with details and pictures if you are unsure of anything.
See the forum here The Series 2 Club Forum - Index (http://www.series2club.info/forum/)

Do you know your chassis number by any chance? Be interesting to see the differences between CKD and Solihul built.

Greetings from Austria, Europe

Roger

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Wow what a lovely find. :) ...

... Do you know your chassis number by any chance? Be interesting to see the differences between CKD and Solihul built.

Greetings from Austria, Europe

RogerHi Roger

We mentioned earlier that the vehicle was a UK built RHD Export Model, so it should be essentially the same as your LHD Export model.

Welcome to AULRO by the way.

Diana

[440junk]

See the picture I posted of the rear door, I assumed that is a spare tire mount on there, but it looks a little bit low to be. What is it for?

[Landy Smurf]

it doe slook like it would be for a spare tyre but this is really low

[Jeff]

The early wagons had the tyre mount really low, I think you could use the tyre mount or the towbar, but not both together. I remember a friend's dad when I was a kid moved his up so he could use both and had the marks where the tyre mount used to be.

Jeff

:rocket:

[outback jeff]

Nice wagon. Just one question did you purchase it in Rockhampton?

Cheers Jeff

[440junk]

Do you know of it?

[JDNSW]

See the picture I posted of the rear door, I assumed that is a spare tire mount on there, but it looks a little bit low to be. What is it for?


Spare wheel mount. As suggested, Series 2/2a, and, I think, Series 3, had a low mount like this. Spare or towbar, not both at the same time. The 110 added a third hinge, allowing the spare to be mounted higher, but they still tend to cracked door frames.

John

[outback jeff]

Do you know of it?

Yes if its the one I think it is, I went to primary school with the son of the people who owned it. I can remember him telling us stories of living in New Guinea and can remember him being droped off at school by his mum in it. I have scene it around Rocky for as long as I can remember and it was always in immaculate condition. You are very lucky that is one nice Landrover.

Cheers Jeff

[440junk]

Yes this sounds like it then.

[outback jeff]

Great to see that it is in good hands, I will watch with interest your rebuild, might have to come and have a look next time I'm home in Rocky.

Cheers Jeff

[440junk]

Thanks. More questions, what are the brackets and straps on the rear of the front seats for? Also, it has a pair of these Lucas fog lamps on it but one has the lens missing, any ideas where to get a lens?

[440junk]

Should it have 2 badges on the grill? I'm thinking just the top one, the bottom one looks the same as the one on the rear, it has had the writing cut out and a tin can behind it with a light bulb in it, when the bulb is turned on LAND ROVER is illuminated.
Also the signal lenses are not all the same, is this normal? I thought it should have all pointy ones like the indicator?
I am sorting through the box of spares that came with it and amongst all the gaskets and books there is a new wiring harness, some lenses, rear view mirror, few land rover boxes with seals and heaps of other stuff. Plus a whole treasure chest of goodies under the passenger seat.

[outback jeff]

See the picture I posted of the rear door, I assumed that is a spare tire mount on there, but it looks a little bit low to be. What is it for?

Hi, I found this photo that shows the spare wheel in place on one simular to yours, hope this helps.

Cheers Jeff

42100

[JDNSW]

Should it have 2 badges on the grill? I'm thinking just the top one, the bottom one looks the same as the one on the rear, it has had the writing cut out and a tin can behind it with a light bulb in it, when the bulb is turned on LAND ROVER is illuminated.
Also the signal lenses are not all the same, is this normal? I thought it should have all pointy ones like the indicator?
I am sorting through the box of spares that came with it and amongst all the gaskets and books there is a new wiring harness, some lenses, rear view mirror, few land rover boxes with seals and heaps of other stuff. Plus a whole treasure chest of goodies under the passenger seat.

No, the station wagon badge should only be on the back. Owner addition I suspect.

Turn indicators were not standard fitting in 1960, and I would guess that it may have after market indicators fitted (possibly, but unlikely, by the dealer in Port Moresby) for which replacement lenses could not be found, hence others were used.

John

[440junk]

That makes sense then. Any clues as to the brackets and the straps on the back of the front seats?
Thanks for the pic. I picked up the other spare wheel for it this week (have 2) I will mount it up on the rear and check it out. Have to get the tow bar bolts off first.

[JDNSW]

No idea what the straps are for - never seen anything like that. The foglight was a standard item in 1960. Replacements are probably still around as "new old stock". Brian Hjelm has several times given the contact for a man who has large stocks of old Lucas parts, would be a good place to start. Otherwise, try any long established auto electrician or auto parts supply place amy have some. My memory says that that is a driving light, not a fog light, despite the yellow colour - the otherwise identical foglight had a fluted glass to give a spread flat beam, where the driving light had a plain glass.

John

[440junk]

Your right. I have never seen a fog lens that is clear. If I can't find another yellow one I may have to get a pair of clear ones.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Should it have 2 badges on the grill? I'm thinking just the top one, the bottom one looks the same as the one on the rear, it has had the writing cut out and a tin can behind it with a light bulb in it, when the bulb is turned on LAND ROVER is illuminated.
Also the signal lenses are not all the same, is this normal? I thought it should have all pointy ones like the indicator?
I am sorting through the box of spares that came with it and amongst all the gaskets and books there is a new wiring harness, some lenses, rear view mirror, few land rover boxes with seals and heaps of other stuff. Plus a whole treasure chest of goodies under the passenger seat.The hella lamps are wrong, The stop tail should be the same Lucas 581 lamps as on the SII and SIIa military and the indicator lamps should be the domed Lucas 639 (IIRC) in amber same as on the front as best as I can see, but many people use Lucas 594 (Same as on Mini minor) because they are easier to acquire.

You should also get the rubber boot for the front indicator lamps.

[440junk]

Got the water pump off a couple days ago, its toast, the bearing has locked up and spun in the housing, effectivly making it un repairable. And, of course it is the 8 bolt hole hard to find a replacement one. yay.

[incisor]

i found a mob that did them for 220 pound from england, new unit.

can not for the life of me remember their name sorry

[drifter]

Check these guys: All Four x 4 Spares - Home (http://www.allfourx4.com.au/) they were advertising the 8 hole a couple of months ago

Ring Jim at this site: Four Wheel Drives (http://www.fwd.com.au/) - he had a couple in stock not so long ago

[peterg1001]

Got the water pump off a couple days ago, its toast, the bearing has locked up and spun in the housing, effectivly making it un repairable. And, of course it is the 8 bolt hole hard to find a replacement one. yay.

I've got a spare down the back, it turns freely and feels ok.

PM me if you're interested.

Peter

[440junk]

Thanks Peter.

I took the tow bar off and mounted the spare - spare on the rear door. It messes with the rear step a bit, but I think the step mounts are bent/outta wack.

[440junk]

In the owners manual it lists as and option an 8 blade fan and a specific trailer. Do you ever come across these?

[440junk]

Rear spare

[JDNSW]

In the owners manual it lists as and option an 8 blade fan and a specific trailer. Do you ever come across these?

Eight blade fan is fitted to Australian army 2a Landrovers, and is required for stationary uses that use more than minimal power. It is unnecessary and power sapping for normal use (I have removed mine!). But the link to stop the engine moveng fore and aft that comes with it is worthwhile having.

I have not seen an example of the trailer in Australia, but there are probably a few private imports. There was a specific trailer built for the Australian army ones, and there are quite a few of these about, but this is not the one that gets a mention in the owner's manual.

John

[Dinty]

G'day All,
If your after a trailer to suit the Land Rover as per 'the book' it will be a 'Brockhouse' trailer that your looking for, extremely rare down under.
Your blinker lenses are most likely 'Sparto' lenses, they were used on S2 & S2A, one of my restored S2A 88"GS had them fitted, I swapped them years ago for ??, anyway cheers Dennis:angel:
ps the trailer
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/1233.jpg

[440junk]

Fitted up the replacement water pump, worked a treat, thanks peterg1001
Also took the thermostat out for a quick look and replaced the rocker cover gasket.
Air cleaner is waiting to go back In, now I just need an original carb.

Another quick question for those in the know, as the indicators were optional- mine has the ind on the outer position on the small raised section of the fender, is this where the park/clear light should be and they have moved it in to fit the ind? Why is there enough space where the tail lights mount to fit two lights per side if it only came with brake lights?
Lastly, the other LR I have seen don't seem to have the rounded front/nose on the bonnet and the spare tire mount on mine is recessed down a little. Are there different bonnets?

[JDNSW]

Fitted up the replacement water pump, worked a treat, thanks peterg1001
Also took the thermostat out for a quick look and replaced the rocker cover gasket.
Air cleaner is waiting to go back In, now I just need an original carb.

Another quick question for those in the know, as the indicators were optional- mine has the ind on the outer position on the small raised section of the fender, is this where the park/clear light should be and they have moved it in to fit the ind? Why is there enough space where the tail lights mount to fit two lights per side if it only came with brake lights?
Lastly, the other LR I have seen don't seem to have the rounded front/nose on the bonnet and the spare tire mount on mine is recessed down a little. Are there different bonnets?

Park lights were originally on the raised bit, but putting the blinkers there when fitted was common.

The position for the blinker was provided at the rear, as they were a planned option when the body was redesigned for the Series 2. Not clear why there was no similar provision in the front, but possibly because it was more necessary at the rear where the matching blinker would otherwise have been half on and half off the galvanised capping.

There are actually three bonnets for the Series 2/2a/3. There is the plain unrounded "standard" one, and a rounded front one, and a rounded one with a spare dish, both referred to as "deluxe" bonnets. These were standard fitting on station wagons from the start of Series 2, I believe, and are listed as such for 2a 109, although this seems not to have been the case for Australia, at least until well into S3 production. Although with it being the easiest bit to swap between vehicles,it is not really easy to determine what was original.

A spare wheel carrier was always optional, and very common, at least in Australia - I only have a single bonnet without one, and that is on a private import. There is also a slight difference in that early bonnets have four bolt hinges, where later ones have three bolt, with the holes in the same location as S3.

Hope this helps,

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The horizontal arrangement of the lamps came from the factory for a short period during SII but progressed to the vertical arrangement by SIIa.

IIRC Bobslandies had a NOS mudguard with the holes punched to the horizontal arrangement.

The flasher lamp on the outside may be a result of wanting it to be seen from the side. Doesn't it have two indicator switches? Obviously a bit of retrofitting at some stage.

[440junk]

The horizontal arrangement of the lamps came from the factory for a short period during SII but progressed to the vertical arrangement by SIIa.

IIRC Bobslandies had a NOS mudguard with the holes punched to the horizontal arrangement.

The flasher lamp on the outside may be a result of wanting it to be seen from the side. Doesn't it have two indicator switches? Obviously a bit of retrofitting at some stage.

yes it does, it has the switch on the dash as well as the one on the column, both work too.