D4 TYRE ROTATION [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

Celtoid

30th December 2011, 12:40 PM

Hi All,

My discovery is the first constant 4WD vehicle that I've owned. With my other rear-wheel drive vehicles, I never rotate the tyres until replacement time.

I always let the faster wearing rears, just wear out and then put the fronts to the back and the new boots on the front.

The obvious pros and cons are you don't get a 4/5 tyre replacement bill at once but you are replacing tyres more often (but only two at a time).

Is there a recommended rotation pattern with a D4? The fronts appear to be wearing faster than the rear....so maybe I could work on a modified version of my old theory....LOL!!! However, I suspect that the TC would work better with the same tread levels on all 4 driving wheels?

It also seems a shame to have a new $500 spare, not pulling it's weight.

Any theories?

Cheers,

Kev.

Graeme

30th December 2011, 01:39 PM

Common practice is to rotate the spare along the left side and the right only front to rear. This method often wears all 5 tyres evenly.

WhiteD3

30th December 2011, 02:52 PM

Rotate and wheel alignment at every service. Yes, you'll get hit for a full set of tyres at once but you'll avoid scrubbing out tyres which will cost you more in the long run.

Celtoid

31st December 2011, 10:26 AM

Thanks Graeme and Mark,

One question though....

Front to back on the RHS is obvious but rotating the spare through the LHS is not so.....well I am a bit slow.....[bigsad] I can think of a few options.

Is it LHS front goes on the back, back becomes the spare and spare (new tyre) goes on the front LHS.....and you just continue this cycle?

How often would you need to do this....is the 13K between servicing enough?

Thanks for the help.

Cheers,

Kev.

Graeme

31st December 2011, 11:24 AM

After about 20K kms I swapped the new spare with the left front because the front was showing some wear but the rear was not. I will keep putting the worst tyre as the spare and the best on the front. I didn't touch the right tyres this time but expect to swap them in another 20K kms. My tyres are 17" LT and they look as though they will last at least 100K kms.

WhiteD3

31st December 2011, 12:08 PM

This is getting complicated! All I do is say to SS LR, "rotate the
". Never thought about the various permutations. Oh, I don't rotate the spare

Graeme

31st December 2011, 03:03 PM

Oh, I don't rotate the spareVery tempting not to due to the effort req'd to R&R it. I have a new KM2 as a 2nd spare but doubt it will ever be fitted just to wear it out. However I might get 3 more to make a set for a special trip especially if the everyday ones are getting low.

Celtoid

31st December 2011, 04:33 PM

Yeah, whilst I'm not a big fan of paying for 5 boots up front, the pro is the option of shopping around for another tyre type and not being stuck with a $500 unused spare.

Cheers guys.

Mike&Loz

3rd January 2012, 05:51 PM

Best to make sure that the tyres are not directional first. Most AT & MT tyres aren't directional.

For a 5 wheel rotation I use this method every 10,000km.

Spare -> Front L -> Rear L -> Front R -> Rear R -> Spare.

6 wheel rotation I use:

Both spares go to the same side front. The front cross over and go to the rear. The rear go to the same side spare carriers. I had a diagram somewhere but I must have put it in the secret hiding spot.

jonesy63

3rd January 2012, 06:29 PM

Or follow the guidance from the litigious neighbours over the pond:
Tire Tech Information - Tire Rotation Instructions (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp'techid=43&affiliate=FH3)

Glyndwr

4th January 2012, 02:37 PM

My wife asked for a five wheel rotation at the last service of the D4 and they refused to do it as the spare was not the same as the other four and it would make us look like, rhymes with ducks. After we took it back with other problems they had not fixed they agreed to replace the spare with one that was the same as the other four. However, they have not done the rotation. I may have to take time of work and take it in myself as they seem to treat women very differently to men.

Regards,

Glyn

jonesy63

4th January 2012, 04:32 PM

I now have 11,000km on my D4 and am going to do a 5 wheel rotation on the 18" Goodyear Wranglers myself. This is for a few reasons: 1) to wear out all 5 Wranglers evenly - for more mileage from them; 2) so I can get rid of them all when all are warn out - can't stand them! 3) So I know it is done properly.

Due for a service in a couple of weeks... but still prefer to do it myself.

Mike&Loz

5th January 2012, 07:43 AM

We got one of those KCI EzyDrive thingys and it makes changing the wheels a piece of the proverbial. After changing the wheel I just take a quick walk around with the wheel brace and give the wheel nuts a quick check. 6 wheels takes me about 15 minutes from go to whoa and its time for a beer.

rmp

7th January 2012, 07:34 AM

It's fine to do either a 4 or 5 tyre rotation. Just DO rotate the tyres around once every 10,000km.

I do a 4-tyre rotation so the spare always has as much tread as possible - that way if I come to use it then it's got the least chance of a puncture. However, that leaves you with 4 worn tyres and one good one, which in theory could carry over to the next set, but tyres do age and unless you go through the 4 quickly and don't change brands that doesn't work. But that doesn't mean to say the spare is useless after you change as it can become a sixth spare or sold as such to someone else.

The most cost-effective way is a 5-tyre rotation, the risk-averse way is 4 tyres.

One other note - the tyres need not always rotate the same way.

While on the subject of tyres the manufacturer's recommended pressures are likely to be a bit low. The stronger, tougher all-terrain and mud-terrain patterns don't dissapiate heat as well as passenger tyres, especially in light-truck construction. They therefore need a couple of extra PSI, and also consider if your car is anything like the normal offroad tourer it probably has anywhere between 50 and 300kg of kit of it beyond the standard tare weight.

vbrab

7th January 2012, 02:15 PM

I always buy (or request as part of the deal), and extra rim when getting a new car. I then have two spares and rotate them through from front to rear, rear to spare, and spare to front, every service.
The other thing I avoid is the problem of a spare that perhaps has more tread than the other tyres, and I reduce the possibility of having to replace all tyres if I stake one and have the problem of a new tyre being paired with worn tyres, which can play havoc with AWD electronics (and ultimately the diffs).. I don't know if the LR system is as sensitive as some systems, where their tolerances of tread depth difference across an axle is max of 5%.
Have found that most LR dealers have a supply of spare rims that they have as result of owners replacing with alternative rims, and they will sell you one at right price. That's my solution to the problem anyway. vbrab

Greatsouthernland

6th January 2016, 07:08 PM

Or follow the guidance from the litigious neighbours over the pond:
Tire Tech Information - Tire Rotation Instructions (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp'techid=43&affiliate=FH3)

I've been researching this and found advice opposite to the link above! Frustrating, just going to do a 4 wheel rotation as I have an OE spare not matching the 4 Duratracs.

Tire rotation patterns | TireBuyer.com (http://www.tirebuyer.com/education/tire-rotation-patterns)

RHS58

6th January 2016, 07:23 PM

Wow!
1 day short of 4 years between posts!

Narangga

6th January 2016, 07:34 PM

Wow!
1 day short of 4 years between posts!

Not much of a rotation then... :angel: :angel: :angel:

Greatsouthernland

6th January 2016, 09:24 PM

Wow!
1 day short of 4 years between posts!

Yeh well why start a new post when one already exists :D that is the whole idea of using the search engine isn't it :confused:

Otherwise someone would link the previous post in their reply and say use the search engine :(

Geez, can't win...:D

apom

26th October 2016, 06:10 PM

So in the new D4's (givens its been 4 years from the earlier posts) are people doing a 5 tyre rotation still? I assume as long as you always do the same direction it doesn't matter which way your go?

scomac

26th October 2016, 07:19 PM

Hi apom, I just swap rears to fronts and fronts to rears (obviously) every 10k. But in saying that my spare is a different brand etc to the other four.
cheers
Scott.

apom

26th October 2016, 08:04 PM

Hi apom, I just swap rears to fronts and fronts to rears (obviously) every 10k. But in saying that my spare is a different brand etc to the other four.
cheers
Scott.

Yep, keen to use up the spare also

mfpoli

26th October 2016, 09:57 PM

So in the new D4's (givens its been 4 years from the earlier posts) are people doing a 5 tyre rotation still? I assume as long as you always do the same direction it doesn't matter which way your go?

I do a 5 tyre rotation every 10,000 km to ensure even wear and reach the stage where I can change all 5 tyres at the same time with the same brand.

Mario

David47

27th October 2016, 03:46 AM

Could someone please explain why you rotate your D4 tyres when the D4 manual states that you shouldn’t?
We've just 'upgraded' from a D3. Following LR advice, we didn’t rotate its tyres and had no problems with uneven wear.
thanks
David

RHS58

27th October 2016, 06:14 AM

I have 2 spares and rotate 3 tyres down each side.
Don't cross sides.
Every 10000km.
Mainly to spread the wear.
This allows me to replace all 6 similarly worn tyres at the same time, and to change brand and type of tyres eg highway vs all terrain.

Celtoid

27th October 2016, 10:58 AM

Could someone please explain why you rotate your D4 tyres when the D4 manual states that you shouldn't?
We've just 'upgraded' from a D3. Following LR advice, we didn't rotate its tyres and had no problems with uneven wear.
thanks
David

My experience in the two D4s I've had that the fronts wear more. Mind you not as obviously on the MY13 8 speed as the older 6 speed.

Ozzy119

27th October 2016, 05:47 PM

Could someone please explain why you rotate your D4 tyres when the D4 manual states that you shouldn't?
We've just 'upgraded' from a D3. Following LR advice, we didn't rotate its tyres and had no problems with uneven wear.
thanks
David

In a utopia LR world there are no roundabouts........which are front left killers in the real world

Celtoid

27th October 2016, 11:27 PM

In a utopia LR world there are no roundabouts........which are front left killers in the real world

Oh, generally I just drive over them .... I knew there was a reason :-)

Kandy

19th January 2017, 04:15 PM

Oh, I thought this was a serious thread about tyre rotation on d4s.
The choice we can make is do we want 4 tyre rotation , easier, keep a tyre, Ill call it the 5th tyre as the spare forever and hope you have the time/energy to check it for pressure when needed, and when your 4 in service tyres need replacing you can choose exactly the same tyres, whoopeedo, But if you want something else then the spare now comes into play for your decision making..... not for me.
5 tyre rotation : you paid for it then use them up, evens wear over all 5 tyres so when their done you have a choice of replacing all sorts ( though 19" is a bit restrictive), you have at least a check at 10k on your spare and confidence of its use, unless you have some fancy low profile directional tyre then this is how you rotate 5 tyres. (im to lazy at the moment to figure out how you post up images)
Spare > R rear, this "new" tyre will have more load and therefore wear so will start to "balance out overall evenness of wear on all tyres.
R rear > R front, ideally we want our best tyres up front, at 10k this tyre is up for it.
R front > L rear, no reason its gotta go somewhere
L rear > L front, same reason for R rear > R front
L front > Spare
Please get a wheel alignment and balance when doing the above.

cjc_td5

19th January 2017, 05:57 PM

As much as I agree with rotating 5 tyres so you are not left with an unused spare, I only rotate 4 tyres as I only want to use that winch as least as possible.... :-(

Russrobe

20th January 2017, 09:30 AM

Second this, tyre shops have told me to try avoid swapping left to right. Less to do with the wear you can see on the outside and more to do with the way those steel belts and cords have been binding together, in the same direction, over the last 10 000kms. Theory being you're increasing the likelihood of separation. .Albeit marginally, any increased chance is not welcomed.

I have 2 spares and rotate 3 tyres down each side.
Don't cross sides.
Every 10000km.
Mainly to spread the wear.
This allows me to replace all 6 similarly worn tyres at the same time, and to change brand and type of tyres eg highway vs all terrain.

letherm

20th January 2017, 11:02 AM

Second this, tyre shops have told me to try avoid swapping left to right. Less to do with the wear you can see on the outside and more to do with the way those steel belts and cords have been binding together, in the same direction, over the last 10 000kms. Theory being you're increasing the likelihood of separation. .Albeit marginally, any increased chance is not welcomed.

This is the reason I only rotate 4 tyres front to back on the same side. Had a tyre delaminate going around a bend at about 90 kph after just passing another car. Luckily it was a 4 lane stretch of road and no other cars around. No fun at all and tore the mud flap off and stripped the inside of the wheel arch.

Martin

Kandy

20th January 2017, 03:54 PM

This is the reason I only rotate 4 tyres front to back on the same side. Had a tyre delaminate going around a bend at about 90 kph after just passing another car. Luckily it was a 4 lane stretch of road and no other cars around. No fun at all and tore the mud flap off and stripped the inside of the wheel arch.

Martin

Oh thats nasty , happened to me on an old trailer yonks ago with crap tyres.
Do you know what caused the delamination?

letherm

20th January 2017, 05:17 PM

Oh thats nasty , happened to me on an old trailer yonks ago with crap tyres.
Do you know what caused the delamination?

Hi Kandy.

It was a long while ago and I can't remember whether I had rotated the tyres before it happened. It was early on in the days of steel belted radials but it has stuck in my mind even though it is thought that the "problem" has supposedly been solved. Obviously some tyre fitters don't agree. Basically the steel belt lifts and causes the tyre to self destruct. There was no indication of failure whilst driving. However, in the caravan park where we were the night before the there was a slight bump but I couldn't see anything wrong. In hindsight it was a bulge in the tread being the start of the delamination process. We were on our way to QLD for a holiday up around about 100 kms south of Tweed Heads where we replaced the tyre. We ended up coming back via Kingaroy and down to Queenbeyan at which point all the other tyres were showing bulges in them Rather than take the chance of failure on the way back to Sydney I wrote the lot off and replaced them even though they had a lot of tread left. As we were on holidays I didn't pursue it with the manufacturer - too much trouble without the tyres to prove the point. I believe that it was not uncommon then. It's a personal choice but I'd rather keep running 4 tyres and keep the 5th as a permanent emergency spare and replace it if it shows signs of degradation. I am aware that tyres can age and keep this in mind.

Martin

Tombie

20th January 2017, 07:48 PM

You'll never see me do a 5 tyre rotation.

My tyres run forwards, bed in forwards and remaining in a position rolling the same direction the were originally installed.

Whilst there are claims it doesn't matter I have personally seen (and had) tyres start to seperate when placed into duty running the opposite direction to the original rotation.

Usually just throw the spare into the next round of tyres.. or just sell it off or dispose of it.. they're never more than 3 years old.

shanegtr

20th January 2017, 07:51 PM

Second this, tyre shops have told me to try avoid swapping left to right. Less to do with the wear you can see on the outside and more to do with the way those steel belts and cords have been binding together, in the same direction, over the last 10 000kms. Theory being you're increasing the likelihood of separation. .Albeit marginally, any increased chance is not welcomed.
If that was the case then why would tyre manufacturers still suggest it as an option?:
Tyre Rotation - Bridgestone Australia (http://www.bridgestone.com.au/tyres/passenger/care/rotation.aspx)
https://www.coopertires.com.au/media/1401/rotating-your-tyres-extract.pdf

LandyAndy

20th January 2017, 09:14 PM

Must get around to doing mine.
I have 6 to play with,want to wear them out as I may go up a size for the next set.
Andrew

Tombie

20th January 2017, 09:14 PM

If that was the case then why would tyre manufacturers still suggest it as an option?:

Tyre Rotation - Bridgestone Australia (http://www.bridgestone.com.au/tyres/passenger/care/rotation.aspx)

https://www.coopertires.com.au/media/1401/rotating-your-tyres-extract.pdf

Land Rover and other brands also say "sealed for life"...

Doesn't make it the best idea!

shanegtr

21st January 2017, 09:04 AM

Fair point, but a failed mechanical component would be unlikely to result in litigation issues (particularly in the US) compared to a failed tyre in the event of a serious failure.

Either way, I rotate all 6 of my tyres every 10,000km. Tyres get crossed over during rotations as well. I've been doing this to all my cars and never had a delamination - had plenty of punctures however......

Tombie

21st January 2017, 10:50 AM

See - I've found on the Landies that rotations aren't needed with my use. So the tyres stay where they're fitted [emoji6]

I have no wear issues and all the tyres run down at the same rate..

Kandy

21st January 2017, 01:47 PM

"
Straight Rotation was developed in the early years of radial tyres".
Quoted from Bridgestones site.

Unless Ive damaged /wrecked a tyre and its, as with the others, gone past 20,000k wear, I will replace with 2 new ones, (its happened twice) and do an odd 3 old tyres and a 2 new tyre rotation.

Sjcunn

29th December 2023, 12:24 PM

Hi,

whatÂ’s everyoneÂ’s thoughts about having to use a spare thatÂ’s new (full diameter) alongside tyres that are somewhat worn say 50%.

is this an issue if so, then 5 tyre rotation is the only way.
Or is the difference negligible and the transfers/differentials sensors etc fine with this?

I have had to replace one tyre but the others are not worn enough to replace.

FYI IÂ’m talking about k02s 265/65 R18

loanrangie

29th December 2023, 01:50 PM

gavinwibrow

29th December 2023, 04:40 PM

My tyre man says for 5 way rotation = 2 x rear onto the front and better 2 of remaining 3 on the rear. Don't recall whether cross over from rear to front, but suspect not? I seem to recall various comments about keeping tyres on the same side when rotating?

Sjcunn

29th December 2023, 05:04 PM

DiscoJeffster

29th December 2023, 05:48 PM

Thanks for responding.

I get the tyre rotation preferred methods and what not, each to their own.

My query is, is there an issue having a tyre thats got a greater diameter than all the rest.
What are the tolerances allowed.

If your in a remote location and all your tyres are 10-20,000ks from replacement and say have less than 4 mm of tread and you have a blowout and can only change the one to brand new (12mm) of tread. Is that difference an issue?

which means tyres might be 16mm difference in diameter.

You are correct. There are issues with this and has happened to others in the past. The stability control gets in a hissy fit with seeing one tyre rotating significantly differently to the others on the same axle. Also running a pair of tyres quite different size on one axle compared to the other causes issues with the centre differential.

I can’t tell you what the spec is myself, but it’s something on my mind given I have a brand new spare of a different make on mine and variously worn tyres on the car. Sigh, tyre shopping again.

Eric SDV6SE

2nd January 2024, 09:24 AM

Personally I don't see the issue. If the tyres (old and the "new" spare) are all the same make, size and tread, then fitting the "new" on one corner is not an issue, I.e the difference in diameter (16mm was quoted) or 8mm on radius, doesn't matter. Note the abs (and speed) sensor measures off the pick up ring inside the hub, so from a fixed radial point that is not affected by tyre size. Unless you've mucked around with the CCF so change tyre size significantly, usually to reduce speedo error, fitting a new tyre to a set of other old tyres is a non issue.

From my experience, we were in karajini np, and punctured a tyre on the sharp rocks on the road into one of the gorges. Put the spare on, which was near new, the other tyres had about 50000km on them and then got a new hankook 19" in Tom price, as that's all they had. Drove home the 1600km without an issue.