2nd lot of turbos stuffed

[MickM]

I had the first set of turbochargers changed at 36,000 Ks, all was fine. Had the D4 in for the 48,000 K service the week before xmas. Next day a slight puff of blue smoke, then the next day when giving it a bit of a boot full to join traffic, there was an almighty plume of blue smoke - yep new turbos have had a catastrophic failure.
Looks like oil is getting into the 2nd turbo, and this is with the improved model!!!!!!

The dealer did 3 days of testing of every conceivable test on the engine. I initially thought the engine may have been over filled with oil but when I checked the oil level after the 2nd day the level was down to 1/2.

Most embaressing thing is I was going to Brisbane for a months holidays from xmas, so Land Rover have provided me with a Toyota Kluger - wonder if they are giving me a hint???

It is a shame because the D4 is such a good vehicle to drive - my concern is that I am rapidly loosing confidence in the reliability - I had planned to commence my around Australia trip with an off road caravan - not sure how far I should go out of mobile phone range. I gather I can always revert to my D1.

Has anyone else had a second turbo drama???

[Neil P]

D3 and 4 diesel engine reliability is a lottery . When my D3 petrol
is replaced , I'll change Brand . I'm not buying into the problems
they have , or the parts unavailability/cost . This stuff all costs
too much to tolerate these continual shortcomings . Parts quality
is hopeless , and they want eighty-odd grand upwards . Ha !
Mobile phone range is not the problem ; recovery is .

[Chucaro]

The more that I read about the new vehicles the more that I think that a County with an oil burner is the best to have :(
I hope that my Defe Tdi300 will last 500.000 km trouble free providing that I do the services in time.

[TerryO]

Hi Neil, please tell me which brand of new 4x4 would you recommend as being capable of doing a similar job to a D4 that is more reliable?

I tow a off road van that is plated at over 2.5 ton that we do take off road, that limits me to either a 200 series Cruiser, Jeep or a Disco as far as I can tell. Unless I want to give one of those 'bend the chassis rails in the middle' and much less comfortable crew cabs from the various manufacturers a go, which I'm not.

While the D4 is not a perfect vehicle and there are some that are having regular issues, I would bet it is not that different in the reliability stakes then any other capable modern 4x4 that can legally tow 3.5 ton with ease. The thing is you only read about LR issues on a LR site, so how would any of us truly know what issues the other brands are facing?

As I said I would be interested to know which brand of similar spec 4x4 is better and more reliable.

cheers,
Terry

[Neil P]

Good luck with the caravaning Terry . Glad to hear you're a
happy camper . Each to their own purchase.

[Tombie]

D3 and 4 diesel engine reliability is a lottery . When my D3 petrol
is replaced , I'll change Brand . I'm not buying into the problems
they have , or the parts unavailability/cost . This stuff all costs
too much to tolerate these continual shortcomings . Parts quality
is hopeless , and they want eighty-odd grand upwards . Ha !
Mobile phone range is not the problem ; recovery is .

Oh OK Neil... Off you go.... :p

Enjoy the poor parts, service and quality issues of those far superior brands...

You're cracking me up... :banana:

You want dead reliable - you'll be buying buying a GU 4.2 Turbo Diesel...

Not one recently made vehicle is better than a D4... Not one... And their parts and service are worse than any LR dealer I've ever dealt with...

This is truly a case of "the grass is NOT greener on the other side"

[oldsalt]

Neil,
I have to agree with TerryO's comments - if you "change" brands - which "brand" would you go for...???. The modern day vehicles all seem to have similar "problems" with their computer systems etc ... when they are good they're good but when they go bad .... well that's another story.
I have a good friend who forked out about $120k for a Toyota "with the lot" and for the first month or so he couldn't stop telling me how great it was (and it was nice to travel in - I can attest to that) - BUT then it started to have all sorts of problems and the dealer was less than helpful ... he now looks at my 2007 D3 with desire in his eyes ... maybe I was lucky, I don't know but my D3 just keeps on going day after day - no problems so far (fingers crossed) ... I must agree with one of your points though - the Landrover dealerships are a bit thin on the ground ... so if you "go japanese" you'll at least have more places to find a dealer who MAY be able to fix it.
I'm sticking with Landrover - good luck with whatever you choose.
cheers :)

[Neil P]

For those who feel so inclined/upset :

If your purchase/employment is your phallic symbol and anyone
who doesn't like it is perceived by you to have called you a sad short dicked soab
who's bitch isn't happy , then that's your problem. I don't like paying
for unreliability . I fly to interesting places overseas for my holidays;
if you prefer caravans or something else , that's your holiday choice
and good for you.
What someone else buys , is their business , if I can handle that , why
can't some of you ? My next lease is A5 and parks very nicely at the airport , where I begin holidays that interest me. Goodbye.
Period.

[CaverD3]

We each make purchase decisions based on our own information and requirements.

But back to the turbo issue. LR made a temporary fix first to stop oil migration between turbos. I think they have come up with a new design since and newer models have not had many issues.
I did see a D4 blowing a lot of smoke on take off the other day. Turned out to be a 2.7L TDV6. :o


The worst I have seen on a new vehicle was clouds of black smoke from a 200 series TDV8. :angel:

[jonesy63]

D4 2.7L blowing smoke was probably a cracked/delaminated intercooler hose. Common fault and another stellar design job by the boffins from old blighty.
:wasntme:

All these turbo problems in the 3L remind me of the "teething problems" I had with my new D3, with the HPFP. Another "great" design. (No wonder the British car industry is going down the gurgler).

[CaverD3]

Was blowing grey smoke more than a D3, I have seen it a few times. Too new to be intercooler hose on all of them. Maybe the mapping is different with the new engine management system? More fuel?

[roamer]

MickM.
Have you checked what oil your dealer is using,
sounds stupid but ya never know (would not be the first time)

Cheers Ken

[Tombie]

**** me Neil.... I think your skin needs laminating old son.

I made a friendly jibe and your acting like you've got sand in your knickers...

Do as you wish, enjoy your holidays, fly to other lands...

I was only pointing out that the other makes are no better.

But now I've changed my demenour...

Go shove your attitude...

[Ean Austral]

D3 and 4 diesel engine reliability is a lottery . When my D3 petrol
is replaced , I'll change Brand . I'm not buying into the problems
they have , or the parts unavailability/cost . This stuff all costs
too much to tolerate these continual shortcomings . Parts quality
is hopeless , and they want eighty-odd grand upwards . Ha !
Mobile phone range is not the problem ; recovery is .

Neil,

I generally agree with alot of what you say, but can tell you of 2 friends of mine who have purchased Toyota's in Darwin,Which is Toyota territory,and when it comes to getting parts etc for new toyota's, the costs and supply of parts is as bad or similar to L/R.

The friend with a 150 prado he ordered new, white deisel with toyota bars etc. 6mths later he got the call to collect it, and when he turned up it was grey with no bar work etc..The only reason he took it was he didnt want to drive his petrol cruiser no more because of its fuel usage..

He got given a heap of extra's with the car but he is not a happy Toyota man no-more..The other waited 10 days for a windscreen for his 200 series, and has been back twice with oil consumption issues.

I guess its what you are happy with,or not happy with in your case.

Cheers Ean

[gghaggis]

For those who feel so inclined/upset :

If your purchase/employment is your phallic symbol and anyone
who doesn't like it is perceived by you to have called you a sad short dicked soab
who's bitch isn't happy , then that's your problem. I don't like paying
for unreliability . I fly to interesting places overseas for my holidays;
if you prefer caravans or something else , that's your holiday choice
and good for you.
What someone else buys , is their business , if I can handle that , why
can't some of you ? My next lease is A5 and parks very nicely at the airport , where I begin holidays that interest me. Goodbye.
Period.

Wow :eek:

Why bother with an A5 if you're just parking at the airport? Get an old Austin Lancer/Torana/Futura and think how many more Chardonnay's you can buy. :angel:

There are plenty of people who tow vans (probably the majority) who have never considered their tow car in terms of phallic symbols - or am I missing something as I approach old age??

Cheers,

Gordon

[Graeme]

MickM.
Have you checked what oil your dealer is using,
sounds stupid but ya never know (would not be the first time)

Cheers Ken
Quite a co-incidence isn't it - oil burning problems the day after a 48K service where the oil would have likely have been changed. Presumably they don't use D4 oil in all other vehicles so the possibility exists for a mix-up but should therefore have changed the oil again when the vehicle came back with oil burning probems.

[discotwinturbo]

Those that don't like LR's cold always choose a Yota.

More info here

http://www.ohwhatalemon.com/

An interesting read about what some call the best.....looks like a large, cumbersome, fuel hungry, heavy, expensive bunch of bolts.

[TerryO]

Its a shame this discussion has gone off track and to a certain extent become personal as I thought I had asked a reasonable question of what is better and more reliable.

An A5 doesn't count as an option as it won't tow a over 2.5 ton van anywhere let alone off road.

I didn't take exception to what Neil said, so come on Neil and others how about a decent discussion on what is to many a very important topic. Where all adults and while we at present share a common interest in LR's that doesn't mean we always will, so looking at and discussing real options rationally shouldn't upset any mature individual.

Looking forward to a decent discussion.

cheers,
Terry

PS ...by the way for what it is worth Audi's aint perfect either ... Audi customer service complaints, reviews, ratings and comments (http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/Audi)

[Stuart02]

X2 Terry.
I don't get it anyway - you can't get into an A5 for less than $70k, and closer to $80k for the most basic of basic 200 series 'cruisers.
It's just a weird badge (Range Rover confusion?) thing. Ppl used to accuse me of being posh for my (2nd hand) D2, until I told them it cost me $10k less than any Prado with similar age and miles.
The dealer network is a bit of an issue, but I'm convinced the D3/4 is a unique and strong value equation.

Sorry, back to oil...

[pjvdl]

Has anyone else had a second turbo drama???

Yes. I have an 18 month old 3.0 D4 with only 21k on the clock. Mentioned to the dealer at last service that it was blowing some black smoke under acceleration. Turned out that it was a cracked 2nd turbo. Replaced now and all seems good again, although with hindsight I think it has been blowing the smoke under acceleration for a number of months. Hopefully I haven't done any permanent damage.

Other than this I have loved the truck... But am now considering an extended warranty :)

As an aside the dealer was very helpful, although they tried to tell me that they have only had to replace 2 or 3 2nd turbos on the the D4s in the last 12 months. I am a little skeptical.

[RichardK]

During my recent D3 total engine failure problems (spun big end) I googled "Problems with Landcruisers, Problems with Nissan Patrols, then to Pajeros and Landrovers............all makes have pages of unhappy customers.
I decided to stick with the D3 and hopefully the engine failure was just a "one off"....................it will take some time to fully trust it again though

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

There are plenty of people who tow vans (probably the majority) who have never considered their tow car in terms of phallic symbols - or am I missing something as I approach old age??

Cheers,

Gordon

Oh I dunno Gordon, I reckon I'd gain an extra couple of inches in my lunchbox if I had your Sport ;)

What everyone forgets is that not all components are made by said carmakers. Although they may design what is required, quite often it's the manufacturing process and materials used by the actual maker that are the issue.
For example, we had major issues with Wabco air dryers on a lot of late model Freightliners with the turbo cutoff valve burning out. Considering air from the compressor enters the dryer at some 300C, why would you make it from GF nylon?? Still didn't stop Wabco from doing so and subsequently we get a lot of uber unhappy customers blaming Freightliner while Wabco stood by and blamed every other avenue they could, yet they made it for a specific purpose and it failed dismally.
Currently, I have 3 600hp Actros prime movers all with failed valves and cracked pistons and all inside 300,000km, again all products made outside of Mercedes Benz yet I have to cop approx $7000 airfreight each plus another $40,000 per short engine under warranty while Mahle "look into it" and come back to say the engine was overworked. None of te extracted run data shows anything close to being overworked.

Car makers have limited control over the actual manufacturing procedures where they initiate the design and no control where something such as a turbo package is supplied by a known professional manufacturer.

It does however come down to how te dealer handles it and also how you react to the dealer in your initial contact. It's not their fault, they have the arduous task of having to fix it for you and want nothing more than to get it fixed as best as they can but remember that we the dealers must wear the cost initially of the failure and then have to wait on the maker approving the warranty. If we come back and say no, it's not our decision, it's handed down the line from LR, Toyota, Nissan, Benz or whoever.

Andrew


Using Capitals, the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse or helping your uncle jack off a horse...

[MickM]

Just to come back on track here; Re;- wrong oil type being used at the 48,000 service, I would expect the incorrect oil to cause worn rings & bearings and to be a gradual failure.

I am in Townsville and the local LR dealer has has been fairly thorough with trying to sort the issue. My D4 has been in the shop since 20/12 and LR have requested a heap of test be conducted. Acoording to my LR dealer mine is the first of the "new" turbos to fail (tends to happen to me - never had that happen before).

I believe the Turbo system may have been inherited from BMW during their brief ownership of LR (please correct me if I am wrong) I believe (hope) this problem may be a one-of as it appears to be a major failure - not that LR have advised me yet of the actual fault, just that there was a heap of oil in the 2nd turbo when being tested.
Some of the test include oil feed to and from the turbo, crankcase pressures.

As for reliability, other than this turbo problem I have not had a drama. The car went to Cape York (OTL etc) when 2 weeks old. This is my 3rd Disco and had some Jap 4WDs and as far as off road capable the D4 takes the cake, and on road driving, maybe not as good as my Fairlane was but definetly better than the current Fairmont.

We need forums like this so as that we can all get a feel for problems and pending problems (like my 2nd lot of turbos) and we can make sure that when we go to the LR dealer with issues we know where we stand if they try and fob us off. I know my LR dealer (mechancis anyway) monitors some LR sites, so any constructive comments can only assist us all in the long run.

[TerryO]

Well said Mick.

cheers,
Terry

[lrdef110]

MIckM - think I saw yours in the workshop just after Chrissy when I had mine in for Engine Systems Fault. Found Neil very good to deal with.What year and month manufacture is yours - just trying to get a feel for when the 'new' turbos were supposed to be fitted.
Cheers

[Graeme]

Just to come back on track here; Re;- wrong oil type being used at the 48,000 service, I would expect the incorrect oil to cause worn rings & bearings and to be a gradual failure.I've seen a LR service bulletin re dealers using the wrong spec oil in the 3.0 engine that caused crankshaft bearing failure over quite a short time, although no mention of it causing turbo bearing or seal failures.

[Celtoid]

D4 2.7L blowing smoke was probably a cracked/delaminated intercooler hose. Common fault and another stellar design job by the boffins from old blighty.
:wasntme:

All these turbo problems in the 3L remind me of the "teething problems" I had with my new D3, with the HPFP. Another "great" design. (No wonder the British car industry is going down the gurgler).

Oh, Oh, OK....I've been away from the forum for a while.....is LR going down the gurgler? Last I read Mr Tata was laughing his arse off at the stupidity of BMW and Ford......:wasntme:

Seriously folks this thread has me totally bemused....I've got a Merc and a D4....different cars, completely different use. I camp and I don't mind a bit of luxury either.....WTF was the tangent of this thread all about...?

And....are D4's suddenly becoming uber-unreliable? Freakin hell, last time I checked they were going OK......LOL!!!!:)

50K on mine and the turbo being the only serious issue.....and there were no obvious performance issues and I don't think I've read about anybody actually blowing their 3.0L up and not being able to keep driving?!

I'll be peaved if LR purchased another "batch" of pooh turbos though....but would I buy another car?.....HELL NO!!!!

Mind you, I just read the Overlander 4WD Of the Year issue.......might look at an LC200.......LMAO.....no chance!

Kev.

:wasntme:

[Leo]

Have been diagnosed with faulty turbos twice (RRS tdv8). Both times the mechanics, and their computers were wrong. Once was a sticking egr valve, other time was a loose hose somewhere.

[SMK]

To keep with the theme of this topic and jump around randomly!

I also have a 2.7 D4 that blows huge clouds of dark gray smoke under heavy acceleration. I have done about 22k and had the dealer look at it both the 10 and 20 k services. Both times told " no issue, normal for this engine" anybody else with a 2.7 seen this as I reckon it is a lot of smoke for not a problem. Anybody has a different answer than " that's normal".

Car doesn't use oil and the smoke is only when I put the boot in.

[MickM]

MIckM - think I saw yours in the workshop just after Chrissy when I had mine in for Engine Systems Fault. Found Neil very good to deal with.What year and month manufacture is yours - just trying to get a feel for when the 'new' turbos were supposed to be fitted.
Cheers

Mine is 2 years old now, and if it was white one which you saw in the shop then that was mine - I believe the current new ones already have the upgraded turbos.
I am not sure when they will be finished as when I spoke with LR (customercare) this morning, it sounds like they are still waiting for parts. I won't be back until the end of January so I don't mind them taking their time and ensure all is done correctly.

[Thinkbig]

To keep with the theme of this topic and jump around randomly!

I also have a 2.7 D4 that blows huge clouds of dark gray smoke under heavy acceleration. I have done about 22k and had the dealer look at it both the 10 and 20 k services. Both times told " no issue, normal for this engine" anybody else with a 2.7 seen this as I reckon it is a lot of smoke for not a problem. Anybody has a different answer than " that's normal".

Car doesn't use oil and the smoke is only when I put the boot in.I've got a 2010 MY11 2.7l D4 and also leave behind clouds of gray smoke under heavy acceleration. I have only done 12k. I mentioned it to the dealer on both the 5k checkup and 12k service. They also said it is normal. It has done it since day one. Our car doesn't go through oil either. I have noticed quite a number of D4 TDV6 doing the same thing.

[sniegy]

I've got a 2010 MY11 2.7l D4 and also leave behind clouds of gray smoke under heavy acceleration. I have only done 12k. I mentioned it to the dealer on both the 5k checkup and 12k service. They also said it is normal. It has done it since day one. Our car doesn't go through oil either. I have noticed quite a number of D4 TDV6 doing the same thing.
Ditto ;)

[Disco4SE]

I think everyone is forgetting that all diesel engines blow smoke of some sort.......especially under heavy acceleration.
Was following a brand new Mercedes 4WD wagon the other day and it was blowing heaps of smoke.

Cheers, Craig

[SMK]

Craig,
The issue I have with this is that my previous diesel was a D3 SE, same motor used the same way and driven the same way and while it did blow smoke under heavy acceleration it was a puff, not a bloody great cloud that obscures the car behind. I'm more concerned with the amount, not the fact that it does it, particularly when compared to its predecessor.

Steve

[scarry]

Ditto ;)

OK,so what has changed,engine mapping?So this smoke is unburnt fuel i presume?
Which means the latest vehicles use more fuel in this situation?

I also do a lot of driving during the day & notice a lot of diesels smoke,particularly under hard throttle.

[Tombie]

Ditto ;)

Dark tint solves it Pete!


"Where the Desert meets the Sea"
'Did I mention some great 4WDriving is just 5 minutes from home?'

[Disco4SE]

Craig,
The issue I have with this is that my previous diesel was a D3 SE, same motor used the same way and driven the same way and while it did blow smoke under heavy acceleration it was a puff, not a bloody great cloud that obscures the car behind. I'm more concerned with the amount, not the fact that it does it, particularly when compared to its predecessor.

Steve

I hear you Steve. Was referring to those with little smoke...........possibly those coming from a petrol to a diesel for the first time.
I have had friends following me say "your car is blowing smoke when you take off from the lights". I say "thank goodness for that".

Your bloody great cloud sounds like it needs attending to.

Let us know how you go. It may need a re-map or software upgrade.

Cheers, Craig

[sniegy]

OK,so what has changed,engine mapping?So this smoke is unburnt fuel i presume?
Which means the latest vehicles use more fuel in this situation?

I also do a lot of driving during the day & notice a lot of diesels smoke,particularly under hard throttle.
Yes engine tune has changed & the D4 2.7 is slightly quicker off the line & through the rev range, I am not sure I would say they use more fuel, I would lean towards & agree with many clients saying that they are marginally better.
Cheers:D

Dark Tint does wonders & so does a wheel carrier.....

[roamer]

[QUOTE=scarry;1603489]OK,so what has changed,engine mapping?So this smoke is unburnt fuel i presume?


I would have thought blue\grey smoke was oil burning,
and that over fueling would be black. :burnrubber:

LR Oz may say its normal, but is is right ?

Cheers Ken

[PAT303]

If you all have motors blowing smoke under heavy aceleration do you think it could be from having your feet to the floor?,motors burn fuel to deliver power,more fuel=more smoke. Pat

[Mick-Kelly]

Wow, after reading this thread i can say it is not a good recommendation for D4's. Sounds like there is a lot of unhappy customers out there.

[Tombie]

Wow, after reading this thread i can say it is not a good recommendation for D4's. Sounds like there is a lot of unhappy customers out there.


lots
3rd person singular present, plural of lot

Pronoun:A large number or amount; a great deal: "there are a lot of actors in the cast"; "we had lots of fun".

Noun:A particular group, collection, or set of people or things: "it's just one lot of rich people stealing from another".So I think your comment is a bit bold - dont you... A few perhaps...

[Mick-Kelly]

So I think your comment is a bit bold - dont you... A few perhaps...
5 pages of people complaining about their D4's = a lot in my books. Considering it is a 'cutting edge' vehicle with 22 years of developmemt behind it. I must say if i purchased a new vehicle for the significant cost of a d4 or similar and it had two sets of turbos fail i would be asking for my money back.

[Ferret]

Well, to be fair, only one person has had 2 sets of turbo fail. But as an owner of a 3.0l D4 I read these sorts threads to keep informed of what's going on.

I thought it interesting when going through the buying process the subject of turbo reliability came up. The dealer (I you live in perth you can guess who) flat out denied there are problems with the turbos - claiming he never even heard of any complaints. You gotta smile.

Personally I've not had issues.

[kenl]

I just went back through the 5 pages, I can count roughly 3 cases of D4 owners that have had some trouble, one of them complaining.

There are then the others that don't own a D4 but are happy to use the supposed unreliablity of a D4 to justify sticking with thier ever trusty "whatever" (D1/2/3 or 110 or Valiant charger)

But by and large it would appear that turbo diesels do blow smoke especially after sedate driving, and with these motors all they need is sedate driving most times. I get a cloud/puff of smoke when I boot my 3.0l D4, but after that first puff it is pretty hard to reproduce for a while.

I'm not complaining, I'm not unhappy, and I would highly recommend the D4.

[Mick-Kelly]

Its good to hear some positivity :) my D1 used to cough out a smoke trail under heavy foot. Lets get some more positive stories from D4 owners going.

[Stuart02]

My 2.7 D4 is great :) if anything I miss the dramatic spiral cloud of smoke my previous diesels would dish out under full throttle and boost...

'Complaining' about the cars is probably a bit harsh in most instances - more concerned, curious, maybe?

[Celtoid]

I've had a turbo change and a few niff naff bits over the years, on my D4.

At first when a couple of minor things went wrong (and I really mean 2 or 3....no more) I panicked and I complained......that's the conditioning of LR nay sayers putting doubt in my mind......LOL!!!!!


I then had a really long run with no issues at all until the faulty turbo was picked up. Mine had a miniscule external leak....LR picked it up, not me. No smoke, no performance concerns.


At the end of the day it has ****ed me off that anything has gone wrong with the car at all, I wish it hadn't....but things go wrong. You have to be realistic. All but the turbo have been very minor, we're talking a couple of broken light fittings from new and too much disiccant in the compressor dryer. Had the car been out of warranty I could have fixed all of these things easily myself, with the exception of the turbo.


It hasn't even made a blip on the radar of my satisfaction with the car. The only thing I'd replace it with is another D4. Mick M is the only D4 owner that I can recall saying that they wanted to change.....not one other than that. And I suggest that he is a bit like we've all been and got a bit jumpy.

The turbo issue doesn't happen overnight and it isn't going to stop you getting anywhere or back.....a catastrophic software issue might thou..

There you go....another doubt seed planted......LOL!!!!

Kev.

[PAT303]

Problem is people look at new vehicles like they are old vehicles,modern diesels produce more power than old V8's and they do that by burning fuel under boost.Modern diesels all blow smoke,get over it.It's like mechanics that still say oil changes need to be done at 5k,oils have come along way and so have diesel engines and post Tdi motors getting oil changes at 5k means throwing away good oil.If your motor blows smoke but doesn't burn oil or have issue's drive the bloody thing and stop worrying about nothing. Pat

[TerryO]

Its good to hear some positivity :) my D1 used to cough out a smoke trail under heavy foot. Lets get some more positive stories from D4 owners going.


So Mick do you actually own a 2.7 or 3.0 diesel and what issues have you had?

cheers,
Terry

[outasight]

I just went back through the 5 pages, I can count roughly 3 cases of D4 owners that have had some trouble, one of them complaining.

There are then the others that don't own a D4 but are happy to use the supposed unreliablity of a D4 to justify sticking with thier ever trusty "whatever" (D1/2/3 or 110 or Valiant charger)

But by and large it would appear that turbo diesels do blow smoke especially after sedate driving, and with these motors all they need is sedate driving most times. I get a cloud/puff of smoke when I boot my 3.0l D4, but after that first puff it is pretty hard to reproduce for a while.

I'm not complaining, I'm not unhappy, and I would highly recommend the D4.

I'm with kenl here. Considering the ownership population on here, there aren't that many who have had catostrophic failures. My experience with mine after 11,500km's is the same as kenl's. One puff & that's it generally.

Oil usage is the key to any potential turbo seal failures. Anything else is just regular diesel smoke, which in ours is way less than it used to be in years gone by ...

Regards,

Les.

[400HPONGAS]

Mick-Kelly ,your totally illi-informed comment reminds me of the following comment

Theres those thay Own a D3,D4,RRS , and there are those that wish they did !!!

[Celtoid]

I'm with kenl here. Considering the ownership population on here, there aren't that many who have had catostrophic failures. My experience with mine after 11,500km's is the same as kenl's. One puff & that's it generally.

Oil usage is the key to any potential turbo seal failures. Anything else is just regular diesel smoke, which in ours is way less than it used to be in years gone by ...

Regards,

Les.

Sorry to be a little pedantic here Les...I haven't heard or read of a single catostrophic failure of a D4? There was one owner who had, a suspected oil induced run-away, right after a servicing...(go figure :D)...seems the beast was probably very full of oil. Other than that, have you read/heard of any?

It's an honest question, it would suck if people were too scared to share their concerns in case it adds to the 'legacy LR reliability' issues, but if there are still serious issues....get them out there I say!

Cheers,

Kev.

[outasight]

Fair comment, perhaps a little too strong turn of phrase!

I really meant in relation to the turbo failures, that there hasn't been many at all confirmed & unquestionable actual turbo failures.

As for catastrophic failures of D4's in general, well the alternator failure that left a car completely stranded in the middle of the road comes closest that I've read on here, and then some of the debilitating limp modes that have been experienced come second, but again, the numbers are extremely low for such a target audience as we have ...

Regards,

Les.

[Celtoid]

Fair comment, perhaps a little too strong turn of phrase!

I really meant in relation to the turbo failures, that there hasn't been many at all confirmed & unquestionable actual turbo failures.

As for catastrophic failures of D4's in general, well the alternator failure that left a car completely stranded in the middle of the road comes closest that I've read on here, and then some of the debilitating limp modes that have been experienced come second, but again, the numbers are extremely low for such a target audience as we have ...

Regards,

Les.

Thanks Les,

I'm certain LR aren't changing turbo's for the hell of it but I don't think any have come close to stopping the truck running.

As to the Alt failure and limp mode, I know that sort of thing can happen....more so the limp mode. It's been widely covered that Limp Mode isn't a failure, it's the car doing exactly what it was designed to do, to protect from further potential damage. Of course, if you're the owner trying to get somewhere....its a BLOODY FAILURE....LOL...especially if if was a false concern........as in there was no real reason for the car to select that mode.

There is nothing to say that there won't be a seriously big issue with a D4 (like any car), faulty trademan, defective steel/alloy, electronic part, etc.....but patterns of failure are a real concern. Beyond the turbo, I'm not seeing it.

Mine has done quirky, bloody annoying things at times but it hasn't stopped me believing in the car.

If I happened to own a lemon D4....well that would be another story.....:mad:

Cheers Kev.

[MickM]

For other owners of 3.0L D4 (the 2.7L engines have not had this fault) the first signs of the Turbos having the fault for which LR are changing the Turbos is blowing of BLUE smoke when under hard acceleration. Generally this can not be repeated for a while (for me 2 days of driving 200-300Ks) of sedate driving - accelerate hard again and you can duplicate the problem.

It took me 4 months originally to convince LR of the issue.

This 2nd fault symptoms were huge amount of BLUE smoke whenever under hard acceleration.

I understand that LR are waiting for a new secondary turbo to come from the UK to fix my latest problem. I would tend to think that seal has probably failed therefore the problem all the time whereas the original problem (as explained to me) was oil leaking between turbos (not sure how this can occur).
All diesels will puff black smoke under hard acceleration due to overfuelling required for the acceleration.

I hope this helps understand the difference in the 2 problems which I have had with the turbos.

MickM

[GregMilner]

I've just found this thread after my RRS 3.0 started blowing HUGE clouds of blue/grey smoke under hard acceleration around 2000 revs. Don't like the look of this.
I've booked in to the dealer (Barbagallo) on March 1st for another issue (brake problem) but by the looks of this thread I'd better call them tomorrow and warn them about the smoke issue too. If its a turbo that needs replacing, is there a long wait for replacement parts?
I have to tow a trailer boat to Exmouth (1200kms) in three weeks and I don't want to risk doing more damage if they can't do the replacement in time...

[Celtoid]

I've just found this thread after my RRS 3.0 started blowing HUGE clouds of blue/grey smoke under hard acceleration around 2000 revs. Don't like the look of this.
I've booked in to the dealer (Barbagallo) on March 1st for another issue (brake problem) but by the looks of this thread I'd better call them tomorrow and warn them about the smoke issue too. If its a turbo that needs replacing, is there a long wait for replacement parts?
I have to tow a trailer boat to Exmouth (1200kms) in three weeks and I don't want to risk doing more damage if they can't do the replacement in time...

Brisbane had the parts handy but it takes a couple of days. The job doesn't but that's how long it takes LR when they are busy. :(

I had a D4 loaner though, so I wasn't put out at all.

[GregMilner]

Ok thanks for that. Perth might be different, they always seem to have to get parts in from Sydney. Even one of the headlamps when a globe failed:(

[Celtoid]

Ok thanks for that. Perth might be different, they always seem to have to get parts in from Sydney. Even one of the headlamps when a globe failed:(

Geez.....that's pretty slack. :mad:

Good luck in this case.

Cheers,

Kev.

[games1]

Hi Greg

I've had a turbo done in Perth and it was no delay in getting the first replacement part which was unfortunately also faulty. LR then had another turbo sent ex UK which arrived 48 hours later. In all the job took 6 working days however the first day was taken up with a series of tests designated by LR and not the dealer. Mine was done at Southern's and I am more than happy with the result.

Good luck