D4 Suspension height adjustment rods

[K Dog]

Any experience regarding use of suspension height adjustment rods for the D4. Impact to drive train or warranty issues?
:)

[400HPONGAS]

Before you buy the Rods, have a look at the LLAMS solution !!

[WhiteD3]

I've got the GOE rods. They work well, are easy to change over, etc.

Impact on drive train? None that I know of. I wouldn't drive the car in off road height unless I need to anyway. Having said that I did 5 days on Fraser in October and did a lot of kM's with no dramas at all.

You would I think have to be careful not to drive to far or fast in extended mode.

I do not leave them fitted when the car's in for a service.

[Robocop]

Glad someone posted this I was wondering myself. Firstly what's GOE?

I saw a kit on eBay for a 2.5 inch kit, too high if you ask me, at off road height the rear wheels are already off camber. 30mm higher would be fine I'd say.

I saw a grey/silver D3 or D4 in Sydney (Revesby) kitted out with an ARB bar, rack & ladder, it appeared to have a lift of some kind but it appeared to ride ok.

[oldsalt]

Green Oval Experience - GOE Australia - Land Rover D3 (LR3), D4 (LR4),FL2 and Range Rover Sport Training and info (http://www.greenovalexperience.com/)
cheers

[101RRS]

There are heaps of threads on the pros and cons of all systems - last was only a couple of weeks ago - do a search it will not be too far back.

Garry

[Graeme]

30mm higher would be fine I'd say.
I like +30mm as I it prevents most of the bashing of the bump-stops that occurs when travelling quickly on rough roads or tracks, although sometimes full off-road height is needed to keep the ride smooth. Cornering on sealed surfaces is not quite as controlled as at std height though, having occasionally been reminded by the extra lean (D3 anti-roll bars don't help)that I haven't returned to normal height after having used +30mm for the 1st few kms from my house. On the return journey home the rough ride soon reminds me to switch to +30mm if I've forgotten to select it. +30mm is my alternate standard height.

[Robocop]

I like +30mm as I it prevents most of the bashing of the bump-stops that occurs when travelling quickly on rough roads or tracks, although sometimes full off-road height is needed to keep the ride smooth. Cornering on sealed surfaces is not quite as controlled as at std height though, having occasionally been reminded by the extra lean (D3 anti-roll bars don't help)that I haven't returned to normal height after having used +30mm for the 1st few kms from my house. On the return journey home the rough ride soon reminds me to switch to +30mm if I've forgotten to select it. +30mm is my alternate standard height.

Yes +30mm on the standard height, so that would be +30mm on the off road setting as well..

But it depends on the car.. My Defender only had about 30mm above standard with HD springs & I liked it..

[Graeme]

+30mm is on any height but at the driver's selection so only when desired. It also provides off-road and other heights by selection.

I need to declare a vested interest in the Llams kits as I make them. However my comments were intended to support the benefits of a 30mm lift, which is also available by other means including at the driver's selection.

[connock]

Received my Llams unit in the post this morning, walked straight to the car and fitted it . Works well in the car port cant wait to go away now.

connock

PS I went for the Llams over rods because of the easiness of in car activation. I dont like the idea of rolling around fiddling around in the mud so I can drive home with correct wheel alignment. :D

[~Rich~]

Ah I saw someone downloaded my instructions today. ;)

[Disco4SE]

Received my Llams unit in the post this morning, walked straight to the car and fitted it . Works well in the car port cant wait to go away now.

connock

PS I went for the Llams over rods because of the easiness of in car activation. I dont like the idea of rolling around fiddling around in the mud so I can drive home with correct wheel alignment. :D

Connect, how long did it take to fit and was it hard to do?

Cheers, Craig

[connock]

Connect, how long did it take to fit and was it hard to do?

Cheers, Craig


No not hard at all really and it was about 1 1/2 to 2 hours this included making myself a coffee in the middle as the postie came early and I started before breakfast ( I get excited easy ) The hardest part was deciding where to mount the switch.

connock

[geoffmc]

Hi Guys,

Where can i purchase a Llams setupfrom?

cheers
Geoff

[Graeme]

Geoff, this thread has the details.http://www.aulro.com/afvb/verandah/114282-llams-electronic-height-controller-d3-d4-rrs.html

[WhiteD3]

PS I went for the Llams over rods because of the easiness of in car activation. I dont like the idea of rolling around fiddling around in the mud so I can drive home with correct wheel alignment. :D

Mate, I hope the LLAMS works well for you :)

But just to correct your comment re the rods; I can change the height setting on the rods in about 2 minutes without getting dirty. Once you know where they are you can reach in through the wheel arch and do it blind.

[roamer]

Agree with WhiteD3,
rods changed before first tyre reinflated

[discojools]

WhiteD3,
Which rods do you have?

[discotwinturbo]

Mate, I hope the LLAMS works well for you :)

But just to correct your comment re the rods; I can change the height setting on the rods in about 2 minutes without getting dirty. Once you know where they are you can reach in through the wheel arch and do it blind.

I find the changing of my GOE rods easier, but when doing the rears I can't keep my arms clean. I ended up putting a towel over the rear wheel to reduce getting too dirty (been in black sandy tracks down near Albany of late). I can locate them easily enough (even blind folded). Don't get dirty when doing the front ones though.

[~Rich~]

East Coast Mud makes this less than pleasant!
Especially the rear ones.
Not so much a problem for Sandgropers. ;)

[WhiteD3]

WhiteD3,
Which rods do you have?

GOE

[gedaso]

Another option that people might consider:
EASControl for Land Rover - GAP Diagnostic (http://www.gap-diagnostic.com/products/eascontrol.html)

Admittedly not as convenient for height changes as LLAMS (but quite a bit cheaper), and definitely easier/cleaner than changing rods.

[400HPONGAS]

Yeah ,nice system ,just leaves out the best thing about LLAMS,the speed over-rides !!

[discojools]

gedaso,
400HPONGAS has a point..pity.. also doesn't mention D4

[Dirty3]

I have GOE rods. I remove the LR rods,install the GOE rods. This takes longer than leaving them on all the time, but once on, switching from normal to off road height is a cinch. in 5 minutes you can have all four corners adjusted.

Changing back to the LR rods doesn't take as long as they are easy to get back on, it's the removing the LR rods that takes time. GOE rods easy either way.

I drove mine on the off road setting over the christmas period for about 7 days, mostly short trips and tops 50kms @ speed limit of 100kph. No issues.

[Robocop]

I'm interested in the camber of the rear wheels when lifted & uneven wear (outer) on the rear tires, is this common?

[gghaggis]

I'm interested in the camber of the rear wheels when lifted & uneven wear (outer) on the rear tires, is this common?

If you're driving 1000's of km on bitumen with the car lifted, you'll notice increased wear due to the (mis) alignment. I drove 2200km on dirt/sand lifted with no noticeable wear.

The GOE rods are designed to allow rapid change-over of height settings. Thus there is no reason to stay at lifted heights unnecessarily - unless of course, you have tyres so oversize that you can't drive at normal heights.

Cheers,

Gordon

[gedaso]

Yeah ,nice system ,just leaves out the best thing about LLAMS,the speed over-rides !!
I didn't think LLAMS had speed overrides ???

The EASControl device lets you store 3 different height adjustments, pretty much like LLAMS, but you don't have a simple switch to change between them (you use the speed control buttons to select them from a menu). But yes, unfortunately no option at this stage for the D4.

The slightly-more-expensive bigger-brother device (IIDTool) lets you also read and clear faults in many of the electronic modules, reset the service indicator, and they are also considering the possibility of letting people modify the speeds at which height changes occur...

[Graeme]

The EASControl device lets you store 3 different height adjustmentsYou might want to confirm by how much the heights can be adjusted. That device appears to be a more user-friendly way of achieving what Faultmate can do yet my understanding is that Faultmate is constrained by the suspension ecu only allowing a maximum variation of 25mm. 25mm is better than no change but its not off-road height.

Rewriting the suspension ecu's eprom every time a height change is made shouldn't be a problem as eproms can usually be rewritten around 1 million times before the memory locations wear out and are no longer updated. However my understanding is that incomplete writes due to a hiccup can leave the ecu only partially updated and possibly unusable due to a checksum error. Perhaps someone who provides ecu updates can comment further.

Llams doesn't over-ride speed limitations as it doesn't alter anything in the suspension ecu. It provides the other heights whilst still at LR's normal height thus effectively providing a work-around for the speed limitations, the same as shorter height sensor link rods. Llams has the extra capability to provide off-road height whenever any ABS-reported fault triggers the suspension to lower to its safe height of about access height.

[discowhite]

If you're driving 1000's of km on bitumen with the car lifted, you'll notice increased wear due to the (mis) alignment. I drove 2200km on dirt/sand lifted with no noticeable wear.

The GOE rods are designed to allow rapid change-over of height settings. Thus there is no reason to stay at lifted heights unnecessarily - unless of course, you have tyres so oversize that you can't drive at normal heights.

Cheers,

Gordon


well so far so good, ive done over 2000k's since my rods arrived, all at extended height. i have to run this height as in running 275 60 R18's and the touch on the rear sometimes round town. touring with the camper on and full normal height is no good for me, to low, to soft, at extended height (more air bag pressure) the car handles so much better.
as for tyre ware, im looking close at all tyres, but only time will tell. there is deffinatly a reduction in caster as the steering got a little more light and twitchy.

cheers phil

[Graeme]

there is deffinatly a reduction in caster as the steering got a little more light and twitchy.Probably more due to the significant positive rear camber making the rear-end induced oversteer. The rear suspension camber changes more rapidly with height change than the front, for both more and less height.