Help identifying this wreck

[Warb]

Yesterday I dragged a LR back home, only because it was free, just up the road, and might provide some Series I engine spares. However when I run the chassis number through "CalVin" it reports as a Series IIA, 109", diesel, and model "6" which is "heavily modified, no further information".

The chassis number is on the rear left spring hanger:

42427

277601086, it looks clear and there are number other letters or numbers that I can see. Firstly I thought it might be a frankenstein with the back of a SIIA welded on, but the rear springs are directly under the chassis, and my other SIIA 109 has them offset outside the chassis rails. There's no obvious joins either.

42428

The pedals go down through the floor in a manner most unlike a Series IIA, and the curved chassis outriggers don't look right.

42429

There's not much bodywork, but what there is looks like a Series I. The petrol (CalVin said it was diesel?) tank filler is under the driver seat, the windscreen vents are long and narrow etc.

42430

The engine doesen't look like a Series IIA diesel either!

42431

So what is it? I saw it from a distance and thought it to be a LWB Series I. But the chassis number seems to suggest otherwise.....

[Col.Coleman]

Don't trust Calvin. It is not always right.

It is a 1956 Series 1 107 CKD RHD Petrol.

Calvin cannot recognise 56 107's for some reason.

I know this because I have one.

Your right, not much left, but some parts I may be interested in, Depending on the numbers:angel:

CC

[pop058]

The front wheel looks well forward in the wheel arch. could be it has had a 2A chassis put under it in a past life

[Warb]

That's what I wondered, but according to the LR FAQ Land Rover FAQ - History, Production, Sales - Chassis Numbering (http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.Chassis_Numbers.html) a 1956 vehicle should have a 9 digit chassis number starting with 1, followed by 11-35 for SI or 41-71 for SII. It also states that a 1955 chassis number should also start with a 1, but by their definition 776 make sense for the next 3 numbers (7=LR, 7=RHD CKD 6=late 1955).

But this one starts with a 2........

[Col.Coleman]

That's what I wondered, but according to the LR FAQ Land Rover FAQ - History, Production, Sales - Chassis Numbering (http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.Chassis_Numbers.html) a 1956 vehicle should have a 9 digit chassis number starting with 1, followed by 11-35 for SI or 41-71 for SII. It also states that a 1955 chassis number should also start with a 1, but by their definition 776 make sense for the next 3 numbers (7=LR, 7=RHD CKD 6=late 1955).

But this one starts with a 2........

No No No.

It is 1956 Series 1 107"

56 is a weird year. There was a typeset error in the land rover books that has carried on in all subsequent manuals. I have one from 1957, and believe me, it is what I said.

See here

http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=8862.msg64210#msg64210

CC

[Warb]

OK, now I understand. Has anybody told the LR FAQ owners that their information is wrong?

[russellrovers]

Yesterday I dragged a LR back home, only because it was free, just up the road, and might provide some Series I engine spares. However when I run the chassis number through "CalVin" it reports as a Series IIA, 109", diesel, and model "6" which is "heavily modified, no further information".

The chassis number is on the rear left spring hanger:

42427

277601086, it looks clear and there are number other letters or numbers that I can see. Firstly I thought it might be a frankenstein with the back of a SIIA welded on, but the rear springs are directly under the chassis, and my other SIIA 109 has them offset outside the chassis rails. There's no obvious joins either.

42428

The pedals go down through the floor in a manner most unlike a Series IIA, and the curved chassis outriggers don't look right.

42429

There's not much bodywork, but what there is looks like a Series I. The petrol (CalVin said it was diesel?) tank filler is under the driver seat, the windscreen vents are long and narrow etc.

42430

The engine doesen't look like a Series IIA diesel either!

42431

So what is it? I saw it from a distance and thought it to be a LWB Series I. But the chassis number seems to suggest otherwise.....
hi the bonnet is from 1957 to 1958 109 s1 the engine is spread bore the guards look as if they are from 86 inch s1 this may help jim

[Warb]

hi the bonnet is from 1957 to 1958 109 s1 the engine is spread bore the guards look as if they are from 86 inch s1 this may help jim

I'm not arguing (I'm new to these vehicles and know very little about them), but what makes you think the guards and bonnet are those particular years and models? If I know what to look for, I won't have to ask next time!

[Col.Coleman]

Without a tape measure,

The front guards you can tell buy the support strut bolt hole at the bottom of the wheel arch. That close they are 86/107 guards. 88/109 are further back as the are longer between the firewall and wheel arch.

The bonnet is actually a 86/107 bonnet, as it seems to line up with the breakfast panel. There would be 2 inch overhang on the front on a 109 bonnet.

That's what spreadbore 2 litres look like:D

It is an 88/109 breakfast panel though. It is made of steel, not ally, and only has one central hole instead of 3 holes. Commonly changed for steel ones as they crack up alot.

CC

[russellrovers]

I'm not arguing (I'm new to these vehicles and know very little about them), but what makes you think the guards and bonnet are those particular years and models? If I know what to look for, I won't have to ask next time!
hi the horn on the right hand side under the bonnet is correct for the 109 and 88 inch models only jim

[Warb]

I'd never noticed the difference in the breakfast panel! Now that I look, of the four Series I's that I have acquired, two have steel breakfast panels and two have aluminium. Would I be right in assuming that an aluminium panel (plus a TIG if required) is the preferred restoration option?

Thanks for all the help confirming the identity of this vehicle!