Advice Please Re Outback Suitability

[tonyci]

Hi There
I know this topic is very subjective but I would love to hear from those of you who have taken you D4 or RRS sport outback.
My situation, currently have a Defender 2010 with very few K's on the clock about 12000 that has taken me on a few Central Australia trips.
She who must be obeyed has taken to the idea of such trips but finds the defender a bit agricultural.
So we are looking at selling the defender and considering a D4 or RRS.
The question is we know both motors are fine for our city needs, however
are they truly rugged enough to provide hassle free outback touring.
By outback I mean Northern Flinders, Gib river road, Simpson desert etc.
I gather from these boards that the tyres on both motors x the show room need changing.
Any comments suggestions welcome.
Cheers
Tony

[mowog]

The issue of suitability and support in remote areas always comes up when being compared to Toyota's

It gets raised in forums and magazine articles. But I don't believe any of the resources who raise these questions have ever put it to the test.

I would love to see various locations selected based on the ability for repairs to be done. Then to have range of parts ordered from those locations for various brands.

The parts should be general service items through to some common parts known to be show stoppers for the vehicles.

This should then either prove or disprove the myth of outback support.

[Slunnie]

You can overnight parts to just about anywhere. After putting a fan through the radiatorin my D2 at Cape York, Kowari motors were able to get me a genuine radiator overnight - which included 2 or 3 flights enroute.

My personal opinion is that if you have that little faith on your vehicle to go to these places without reliability then you wouldn't take it, or you would carry the spares. The D4/RRS will do it. I have been through the Desert (across and up)with a D3 and it was faultless. The next year he did Madigans line in it without problem.

In my opinion, tyres is the concern. This fellow changed his tyres for an offroad set and had no problems, running Cooper ST in 275x?/18. They were also larger in diameter which increased sidewall height.

I have not driven the GRR, but the D4 or RRS will not have any problems in dealing with Northern Flinders and the Simpson Desert, and those that own them will probably argue they do them very comfortably too.

[Slunnie]

BTW, that is the exact terrain that these vehicles were designed for.

[gghaggis]

We've done the Canning Stock Route in an RRS and a D4 (in convoy), plus the GRR, Cape Leveque, Pilbara, Gunbarrel, Gt Central Rd etc . No issues - as Slunnie said, it's what they were built for.

Obviously, for these sorts of vehicles, your list of tools and spare parts is quite different to those of more traditional vehicles. As long as you're reasonably prepared and know how to use the car, it should be at least as suitable as anything else, if not more so.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Xtreme]

Hi There
I know this topic is very subjective but I would love to hear from those of you who have taken you D4 or RRS sport outback.
My situation, currently have a Defender 2010 with very few K's on the clock about 12000 that has taken me on a few Central Australia trips.
She who must be obeyed has taken to the idea of such trips but finds the defender a bit agricultural.
So we are looking at selling the defender and considering a D4 or RRS.
The question is we know both motors are fine for our city needs, however
are they truly rugged enough to provide hassle free outback touring.
By outback I mean Northern Flinders, Gib river road, Simpson desert etc.
I gather from these boards that the tyres on both motors x the show room need changing.
Any comments suggestions welcome.
Cheers
Tony

Hi Tony,

The vehicles you are considering, as others have already indicated, would not have a problem with traversing any of the areas you have mentioned, and many more remote and rugged areas also.

The problem you have is to keep SWMBO happy and contented and if changing from a Defender to a D4 or RRS Sport will achieve this and has her consent then I think you had better place your order ASAP.

By the way, what do you want for your low mileage, well maintained Defender? :D

[Gords]

One point that is worth noting that even though the D3's, D4's and RRS have all the great electronic systems under the sun, the new landcruisers also have plenty of electronically controlled systems & complicated parts. Old mate bush mechanic in Mapoon (or wherever) won't want to or be able to work on / replace parts for the new cruiser either! Unless you want to go back a few series in the cruisers.

Good maintenance, preparation, regular servicing and careful driving will keep you out of most trouble. Most things that will fail will not cripple you and you should still be able to crawl home (worst case).

I have found that the D3 is chalk and cheese with competitors for on and off road performance as well as fuel consumption so i'm happy to tollerate a bit of inconvenience with parts / servicing.

Good luck in your decision mate!

[tonyci]

Roger
Thanks. I agree I should act ASAP, SWMBO , does not often grant such approvals when cars are involved.
I hope to get about $43,000.I have not done much research yet Red Book suggests about that. The only mod I did was a dual battery. As much as I like the thought of a D4 or RRS.I will miss the Defender.
Thanks to every body who has replied thus far.My confidence is growing.
Tony

[connock]

Hi Tonyci

I had a defener for years, 9 in fact it was my work car and family drive. So I was in it every day .Do yourself and your wife a favor and get the D3/D4/RRs ( dont get me wrong I did enjoy the Def ) The grunt, the comfort, the ability etc You,ll love it

connock

[Tombie]

Hi Tonyci

I had a defener for years, 9 in fact it was my work car and family drive. So I was in it every day .Do yourself and your wife a favor and get the D3/D4/RRs ( dont get me wrong I did enjoy the Def ) The grunt, the comfort, the ability etc You,ll love it

connock

Was thinking the same thing!

I enjoyed Lara, enjoy my D2...

But absolutely love the D4

[101RRS]

What might I ask made you think a D3 etc would not be suitable for outback travel.

Garry

[tonyci]

Garry
It was more a question of suitable range of off road tyres being available. The forum is full of discussion on this point. And in the case of the RRS the lack of after market gear which made me think that they are rarely used for outback touring.
Plus the dealer support in remote areas.
There is no doubt they are an excellent off road vehicle.
Cheers.
Tony

[Celtoid]

What might I ask made you think a D3 etc would not be suitable for outback travel.

Garry

Hi Garry,

You'd be surprised the number of people, that when hearing that I actually take my D4 off-road, have asked "is it any good, can you drive it on a beach?", etc.

It seems obvious to all of us but unless you know somebody or have done a bit of reading (which is difficult sometimes due to the BS printed), you may never know.

Cheers,

Kev.

[LWB123]

Hello from Brisbane again.

You can be pretty lucky with a lot of vehicles and outback travel, although you probably should not assume that it is always going to ride with you.

However, it did with me I suppose.

From about 2002 to when my late father-in-law passed away in 2010, I helped him to 'live his retirement dream' of seeing a good bit of isolated Oz. Without wanting to sound like Lucky Starr, we went around and through the continent a couple of times over, including the Gulf Rd via Borroloola and Roper Bar, Top End, Birdsville track, Oodnadatta track, Strezlecki track, Nappa Merri, Great Central Rd, the Bight a few times, Plenty Highway a couple of times and so it goes.......

We actually did this in a 100 Series Toyota auto wagon pulling a 22' Golf Airliner fitted with air suspension without mishap. This is not an 'off-road model'.

The breakdowns and need for parts delivery over this time?

One flat tyre - a standard Dunlop Grand Trek just outside Innaminka - picked up a piece of welding rod at the garage at Lyndhurst and fixed it at the local tyre depot in Innaminka. And a couple of airbags that needed plugging.

So, while I like Land Rovers having grown up with and owning them, I struggle a little bit to get really excited when people slag Toyotas and the parts issues.

My late father-in-law ran a large earth moving business in the Riverina and knew bush mechanicals backwards and was the ultimate bush mechanic. So, he was never phased by the endless numbers of suggestions that he was barking mad in taking the truck and van where it went. However, other than refill the truck with diesel from time to time, the days went pleasantly without incidence.

To be frank, most of the break downs that we came across were actually Land Rovers, and especially Discoverys with dodgy tyres or electrics. That or poorly made box trailers or hire campers simply falling apart from the corrugations.

Cheers,

[Beamin]

I have comfortably driven through the northern Flinders in a Mk I Magna wagon with no ill effects and got another 130,000km out of that car before I had to replace the original clutch at 275,000km so don't sweat too much about the wrong horse for the course. It's amazing how well things work in whatever circumstance you ask of them. Old Kombi's can cross the Sahara and I've even heard of a Citroen 2CV surviving the trip. I sometimes feel that we're losing the essence of adventure by over-preparing

I drove cross-country chase vehicle for a hot air balloon in central Australia and desert camping tours in a Troopie for about a year but only engaged 4WD about once a quarter. The need for actually engaging 4WD on these remote tracks (as opposed to looking The Goods for the tourists and not falling to bits along the way) is often laughable.

I have seen vintage car clubs embarrass the exclusivity of "4WD only" tracks. I once hitched a ride from Alice Springs to Adelaide with a guy who'd driven his 1937 Austin 7 all the way overland from England, had already driven it right around Australia and was driving down the centre (when it was still dirt/sand/mud/rocks/sand/water/mud/sand etc)

The moral of the story: go with whatever you've got. Even if it's a Nissan Pintara. Give it hell. But I have to say that a D4 is a very cushy option if you've got one available. The enjoyment of driving it continues to surprise me every day and I never get sick of that.

Out-backup plan: take a sat-phone and test LR's off-road recovery commitment

All the best
(still) Beamin

[Mike_S]

I'd have no hesitation to take my RRS travelling and will be doing once it arrives here, afterall it's what the car was built for and has been used for. All I'd say is that have a proper look at storage space, the RRS isn't the most commodious of vehicles unless you have the rear seats down. I've got 6 Wolf boxes & a large locking storage box in the back of mine with all my spares / work gear in and that's pretty much it full, because of the angle of the rear window. A D3 / D4 would take considerably more in the back.

As for comfort, it's only 2nd best behind my P38 for that, I've travelled 500 miles in a day in it and got out feeling fine. My only real concern once it's here in Oz is fuel range as mine's a 4.4 petrol V8, but I guess I can soon overcome that with a long range tank. I'll also refit a UHF radio & aerial, the wiring's already in from the challenge so that shouldn't be too hard.

I saw a TV advert last night saying LR are having a sale until the 31st Jan, might be worth a trip to the dealerships here in Melbourne. ;)

[tonyci]

Hi Mike
Space is a concern especially on a long trip when one needs to carry refreshments water and additional fuel.However as there is only two of us, it should be ok.
I prefer the RRS as city car, however we intend to tour around central Australia, NT and Kimberly as often as we can, so maybe the D4 might be the go. Tough decision.
Just have to address the tyre issue.
Where have you taken your RSS so far.
Cheers.
Tony

[~Rich~]

I plan on a Simpson trip this year, using the QAA and French line tracks then up the Colson Track then heading cross country from the Pinnacles to the Hay river track back down and back to Birdsville.

I will be fitting the 104ltr Long Ranger tank as I need all the fuel I can fit.
Plus 4 x 10ltr Jerries up on the roof.

Yes I'll be taking some spares.
Main belt
Spare Air Compressor
2 spare tyres
Tools
Fault Reader
Multimeter
etc etc.

Oh yeah - Fencing wire too.

The D3 will be serviced just before the trip and I'm confident in it's reliability.

[sniegy]

Tony,
Have a drive of one & see what you think, Drive both vehicles, the 2.7 & 3.0. Get an idea of what they both drive like, you may think the 2.7 is good & the price at the moment is excellent. Take advantage of the deals at present if you can.
Best time to buy end of month...numbers numbers numbers..... They are a damn comfortable vehicle and as many have said very very capable vehicles too.
I regularly travel to Robe in SA & love the sand dunes, we have had no issues at all, if your only issue is tyres, i wouldnt be too worried, "gghaggis" on here imports wheels that are 18" variants that fit the 3.0litre D4/SPt & look the goods too, with 18" rim this opens you up to many different tyres & sizes now, a few years ago was a different story.

I only have the 2.7L & have the option of 17" rims, i run 2 sets.
19's for the wife:D & 17's for trips:p.

Cheers & happy shopping.

[Mike_S]

Hi Mike
Space is a concern especially on a long trip when one needs to carry refreshments water and additional fuel.However as there is only two of us, it should be ok.
I prefer the RRS as city car, however we intend to tour around central Australia, NT and Kimberly as often as we can, so maybe the D4 might be the go. Tough decision.
Just have to address the tyre issue.
Where have you taken your RSS so far.
Cheers.
Tony

I can understand that, there's just the 2 of us (and a dog) so the D3 was just too big for our needs. This is mine, an ex-G4 Challenge car from 2006, it went to Thailand to be abused by the Aussie & Brazilian crews so although it's done some travelling, other than towing our caravan and going camping back in the UK it's not done any serious travel in our hands yet. It was my daily driver in the UK and covered near on 60,000 miles in the 2 years I used it for work and was offroad at least once a week. I think it's up to about 75,000 miles now (been 4 months since I saw it though). Once it's here we plan to use it as much as possible for travelling / exploring, already planning to go away camping at Easter. It'll still be my daily driver though.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/980.jpg

As for tyres, it's on 19" wheels which does limit the choices as I'm sure you've read. Basically there are 3 options, all of which are the D3 sized 255/55/19. All Terrains by General & Pirelli (I run the Pirelli ATR's) or the Goodyear MTR's which my car originally came with. They're hard to find now and expensive, Goodyear only do a production run of them once or twice a year I'm told. Awesome tyre though, they last forever, almost as long as the Pirelli ATR's. I've only once been stuck with the ATR's and that was my own doing, at Eastnor Castle on a LR Experience day. Other than that they've never let me down.

Buy a 2.7 D3/D4/RRS with 18" wheels and you'll have plenty of options for tyres. Or just get these superdooper 18" rimz sniegy mentioned if you go for the 3 litre. With a bit of thought & planning, running 19's isn't really an issue either, just a bit more costly. I picked up an additional 19" alloy and put another ATR on it, mounted to my roofrack. I guess if I have more than 2 flat tyres on a trip then I'll have to worry.

Go drive them at the dealers (and meet Sniegy, his coffee machine makes a mean cup of instant!), you need to try them out as both handle very differently. For us, the D3 made us both feel a bit seasick when passengering, the suspension (although the same) is setup differently to the RRS. The RRS is a bit stiffer and not as wallowy (in my opinion, before anyone shouts :p ) so we went for the RRS. We also got an incredible deal on the car, because it's a bit 'special' and no one wanted it :D The new 3 litre dismal engine is a belter though, really really good and one day when mine's due for replacing that's what we'll go for. Just make sure whatever you get has the electronic locking rear diff.

[Graeme]

I prefer the RRS as city car, however we intend to tour around central Australia, NT and Kimberly as often as we can, so maybe the D4 might be the go.Whilst there was a fair difference in handling between the D3 and RRS of the same year, the D4 handling is significantly firmer than the D3s were so might suit you sufficiently well in the city.

[tonyci]

Cheers Mike
Thanks for taking the time to post. Hope your RRS arrives safely.
Off to the show room for a good look and test drive.
Tony

[go-disco4]

Hi

Mine is a 2010 D4 2.7 L without rear Diff lock, had traxide dual battery (fitted by Sniegy at MLR Docklands Melb), 100 L Long Ranger Tank, 4X4 Intelligence rear wheel carrier and 5 watt handheld UHF with windscreen mount external antenna, and LR cargo barrier bought from MLR and installed myself, and ARB fridge.

With the original good year wranglers road tyres, have been to Toolangi & Tallarook forests near Melb, Vic High Country incl Billy Goat Bluff and big desert in Vic without problems.

Last October, went on long trip to Birdsville via Corner Country, Innamincka and Cordillo Downs back down the Birdsville track and into Oodnadatta to lake Eyre. Also went up big red on the intermediate difficulty track with no problems. There was another 2.7 L D4 with E diif and a 3.0 L RRS towing a very large TVan with me. All did the trip and big red with no issues. Also 3 Nissan Patrols with us. 2 did not get up big red on the nedium difficulty track, the one that was Chipped managed it.

The only thing was that I blew 2 tyres (goodyears) at the same time on the side track to the Cooper's Crossing. Fortunately had 2 spares.

The RRS has the new GG AT on 19 inch rims and the other D4 had the GG AT2 (the older version) on 18 inch. No problems

The RRS is regularly taken off road including the Flinders without problems

I how have my tyres replaced by the new GG AT (18 inch)by Bridgestone Tyre in Port Melb. Good Job. They are near MLR docklands and will arrange for the car to go to MLR to put the car in "tight tolerance mode" for wheel alingment as part of the service. Have not been really off road with them yet except on some of the the dirt road sections of the Grand Ridge Road in the Strezlecki range 2 hours from Melb. A very faint hum at highway speed with window up. Seems to drive well at highway speed.

The D4 is a very comfortable and quiet care for touring. Handles corrugations well.

Hope this allay some of your concern

regards

GD-4

[tonyci]

Hi GD-4
Exactly the type of post I was looking for. I have done many of the tracks you mention over the years manly in V8 County and more recently in Defenders.
In fact did the grand Ridge Road 2 weeks ago, very scenic road, we encountered 3 log trucks on our trip a little hairy to say the least.
I have been encouraged by the responses to my question on this thread and have booked a test drive of the D4 and RSS.
Thanks again to everybody who took the time to reply.
Tony

[Stuart02]

Hey Tony,
Tell us what you decided and have you been happy?!

[Tombie]

I have No problems taking my D4 anywhere.

[AnD3rew]

The main thing you will hear is that you will never get parts for them, but firstly parts can be shipped, no small mechanic shop is going to keep a large inventory of parts for any vehicle even a Toyota.

And let me tell you the story of a mate of mine who cracked a piston on his Prado near Karratha. There is a Toyota dealer there, but they are so busy doing mining work etc that it was more than a month before he got his car back and in the meantime had to fly back to Sydney and then back again to pick the car up. There was also a D4 on the same trip that had issues and it was trucked straight to Perth and sorted out in a few days. Both were expensive but the D4 wa back on the road much faster.

These cars are as capable and reliable and any other which doesn't mean you can't have bad luck and if you do it will be a PITA like it is with any other vehicle.

[tonyci]

Stuart02
Have a D4, put in a dual battery , ARB bar and winch, GOE rims (used only for off road use) and GOE rods.
All good the D4 has been put thru its paces and glad to report no drama at all.
I also have a Defender for work around a property we have so have the best of both worlds.
The D4 is great for outback touring especially with good tyres on the 18 inch rims.
Cheers
Tony

[DiscoMick]

A D3 was in our Simpson crossing group and had absolutely nil problems. His only modification was a set of Bridgestone Dueller AT tyres.

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[discotwinturbo]

No hesitation at all for remote travel.

Two D4's heading down the CSR on July 20 with two lessor vehicles...a 200 and a mitsi.

Less than two weeks to go before we hit the road for a leisurely 3500km trip to Halls Creek, then 1900kms of dirt to Wiluna.

Brett....

[Meccles]

We have RRS because with two of us it is right size. Disco undeniably bigger but if you don't need space then RRS better for everyday use. Re taking them bush, yes in a heartbeat. But, if going remote would take GAPS IDD tool or scanguage. And I reckon if really serious Gordon's 18" rims. Then enjoy the trip. Sorry but I think defers are over rated they still have faults that have been known for years so frankly think newer D3/4/RRS are better IMO

[scarry]

Last year we did a trip from here down to Flinders ranges,then up to Alice,through Finke,Mt Dare,Simpson desert,and back to Brisbane,no problems at all.Did the same trip in 04 in the D2a,also not a problem.

One place i probably wouldn't take the D4 is the Tele track on the Cape.i have done it twice up and back in the D2a,no trouble at all.
But with the D4,the concern would be water in the electrics.Some of the creek crossings are at times very deep,over bonnet level.

Others would probably disagree,each to their own,or if you are keen,set the vehicle up as well as possible,and have a go.Make sure you go late in the season,so the water levels are as low as possible,but by then the tracks may be badly chopped up.

[Stuart02]

Yes with young kids we could use the space of the Disco but my wife needs something that reliably fits in city car parks etc so RRS we have and I'm looking at decent touring trailers.

I have to say the 2010 TDV8 is IMO a flawed classic, my wife and I are rather in love with it for different reasons despite its foibles.

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[Redback]

Watch this, if anyone has any doubts after watching this, then buy a Toyota.

https://youtu.be/clVX1LevLUs

Baz.

[Melbourne Park]

I'm bemused by people saying they buy the RRS for city work and parking. They are the same width. The difference in length is 48mm ... less than 2". According to published specs. Wheelbase is very different - 140mm. Almost 6". But turning circle is much the same: 11.45 m v RRS 11.49 m.

For shopping, the rear access of both vehicles have advantages and disadvantages - but for a shop big enough to benefit from flat loading, the twin doors of the Disco takes up less room behind the vehicle compared to the pop out door of the RRS.

If the Disco is too bulky for city parking etc., then don't imagine the RRS is more compact. Its much the same.

[Celtoid]

Mate of mine just did a whirlwind trip through woop woop ... can't remember all the details but Big Red was in there. I didn't go 'cause they were just covering too much territory too quickly for my liking.


Mixed bunch of vehicles including his D4 HSE with 19" rims. He's running some sort of Cooper AT I think though. Definitely not LTZ.


He said the only noteworthy, vehicle related issue was him making it up Big Red first time and the non-LRs having to have a few goes. :)


No reliability issues or tyre problems to report.

[Wasa57]

Discovery 3 tdv6 2005 @ 240K.

Just put it through a week of torture in the Pilbara WA.
Rock climbing, loose gravel, water crossings, dust, sand, plenty of bush-stripes...the works! Plus 1000K to and fro on black-top at up to 110km/hr (more with overtaking.)

I returned home gob-smacked by the vehicles performance. I am a careful but at times too adventurous driver off road, and almost came unstuck on a 45 degree downhill track with enormous washouts. I was literally stuck between a rock and a hard place! The disco reversed me out of trouble.

I found the rock crawl function particularly impressive, and had fun playing with the various switch functions for various conditions.

The highway trip was luxury, with quick overtaking of road trains making for a safer trip.

Outback travel? No probs, with the usual mechanical, maintainance, navigational, communications, and spares preparations.

-Wasa

[Ferret]

... Two D4's heading down the CSR on July 20 with two lessor vehicles...a 200 and a mitsi.

One D4 covered the Gibb River Road and the road to Bungle Bungles before taking on the Canning Stock Route. The other covered the Gun Barrel Hyw and the Tanami Track before also taking on the Canning Stock Route.

After several thousand k's on badly corrugated outback roads and tracks both returned unscathed though suspension error faults were encountered on both and dealt with along the way.

The 200 series was flawless but covered far less distance staying only on bitumen before doing the CSR. The mitsi ... sadly, that's another story.

[LRD414]

After several thousand k's on badly corrugated outback roads and tracks both returned unscathed though suspension error faults were encountered on both and dealt with along the way.


What kind of faults? Actual problems or just sensor issues?

Scott

PS .... Those are trips I'd love to do in mine in coming years.

[Ferret]

Suspension errors were algorithmic errors though they do point to underlying mechanical wear issues which if left would probably progress to outright failure at some point in time.

One D4 resolved its issues by changing lower control arms in a 1-2 day layover after finishing the Tanami and starting the CSR. No further suspension faults arose on this vehicle after this.

The prospect of lower control arm bush wear was anticipated given the k's on this vehicle and the parts were purchased prior to leaving Perth and so made available at short notice when needed.

The other began to raise the odd suspension fault in the last 3-4 days on the CSR. The exact cause is yet to be determined but must involve an air leak or dodgy height sensor. Errors were just cleared and progress continued without hindrance except for a saggy arse on 2-3 mornings which rose again on starting the engine. Aside from the morning saggy arse no functionality was lost once the engine was running.

A spare height sensor was carried but there was never any need to fit.

[LRD414]

Thanks for the info.


.....Aside from the morning saggy arse .....


Morning Saggy Arse; usually experienced by the driver of lesser vehicles. [emoji51]

Cheers,
Scott

[Ferret]

Morning Saggy Arse; usually experienced by the driver of lesser vehicles. [emoji51]

The LC 200 had a saggy arse every day - coils and heavy in the rear end a/c dual wheel carrier and super duper sized (Exon Valdis class) long range fuel tank.

[jonesy63]

Watch this, if anyone has any doubts after watching this, then buy a Toyota.
Baz.

I can't wait to go back up there again... such a great spot!

http://users.tpg.com.au/rjones11/Kimberley/15%20Mitchell%20Falls.JPG

:cool:

[Ferret]

The other began to raise the odd suspension fault in the last 3-4 days on the CSR. The exact cause is yet to be determined but must involve an air leak or dodgy height sensor. Errors were just cleared and progress continued without hindrance except for a saggy arse on 2-3 mornings which rose again on starting the engine. Aside from the morning saggy arse no functionality was lost once the engine was running.

Just for the record, a leak in the EAS line was found in the rear passenger suspension system. The same location the faults were being raised according to the IID tool. Not sure if such a small leak would be responsible for the suspension faults but anyway, no more morning saggy arse.

[scarry]

Just for the record, a leak in the EAS line was found in the rear passenger suspension system. The same location the faults were being raised according to the IID tool. Not sure if such a small leak would be responsible for the suspension faults but anyway, no more morning saggy arse.

Was it rubbing on something or leaking at a fitting?

Mine has a sagged front,i think it is the valve block.Arse seems OK

[Ferret]

Leaking fitting. Just replaced it with a new one, all good.

[Stuart02]

I have seen vintage car clubs embarrass the exclusivity of "4WD only" tracks. I once hitched a ride from Alice Springs to Adelaide with a guy who'd driven his 1937 Austin 7 all the way overland from England, had already driven it right around Australia and was driving down the centre (when it was still dirt/sand/mud/rocks/sand/water/mud/sand etc)



Hi Beamin, was that by any chance George Yallop that you hitched with? I know his son, who I think would probably interested to have a yarn with you if you were up for it?
Cheers
Dean

[LRD414]

Dean, he signed off the forum in 2013:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/187928-dearly-beloved-d4-has-gone-tip.html

Cheers,
Scott

[Stuart02]

Thanks - weird, I thought his profile said last activity in July this year. Is anyone mates with him offline?

[SBD4]

He is online right now - PM him if you haven't already.

[Stuart02]

He is online right now - PM him if you haven't already.

Thanks muchly, the forum hooked us up, despite his account being at it's PM limit!

[LRD414]

Thanks muchly, the forum hooked us up, despite his account being at it's PM limit!
Sorry for confusion. I went by the "most recent post" listing, saw it was old and noted a signing off message.:confused: I'll butt out from now on.:angel:

Scott

[Stuart02]

Sorry for confusion. I went by the "most recent post" listing, saw it was old and noted a signing off message.:confused: I'll butt out from now on.:angel:

Scott

Ha no it was still a good call, thankfully he hadn't deleted his account