Smoking from behind instrument cluster.

[Davender]

Hi all,

Just bought a Defender ute 6/93, went to start it up this morning and it started smoking/smoldering from behind the instrument cluster...

I have started pulling it apart to find the fault but dont want to go to far without the workshop manual been looking online at pdf files but im unsure if it is a 200tdi or 300?
Also its a single cab long wheel base so is it a 110 or 130?

I dunno :confused:

Its starts but will not continue to run after starter disengauges?

Yours truly,

Dave - confused new Landy owner...

Refernce pic: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/introductions/142352-new-landy-owner.html

[Blknight.aus]

spotting tdi300V200 is usually fairly easy open the bonnet and look at the drive belt.

If its got traditional V belts then its typically a tdi200 if its got a serpentine belt (multi rib jobbie) then its a tdi300. There are a few odd bod exceptions here and there but thats the general rule.

[wrinklearthur]

it started smoking/smoldering from behind the instrument cluster...
Its starts but will not continue to run after starter disengages?


Hi Dave

Blknight.aus has your info about the motor.

Smoke means a wire or junction is carrying too much current, look at your earth strap between the chassis and the motor/transmission. Pull the joints apart where they are bolted and then giving them the Mother of all cleans, take them back to bare metal.
When fitting back together grease the joint with some Vaseline, But do --- not --- repeat ---- not ----- , do not use silicon grease! :angrylock:.
.

[Blknight.aus]

better than vaseline is proper contact grease or graphite grease.

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

The problem so is with second hand landies, the previous owner may have do some wiring mods. DYIers can sometimes do some rough stuff.
I've found some really bad dyi joins and cut off wires in my Disco recently.
One of your wires might have rubbed on something and caused a smoke.

[Davender]

Cheers for the comments and advice guys I will sort the earth issue as advised...

Now the plot thickens

One of the vent cables must of been touching something as thats what was melting and was down to the steel outer cable, no plastic left on it, easy enough to sort out but putting things back together the plastic contact plug on the back of the ignition barrel will not stay in place just by the metal locating tabs after the engine starts so I now know why it starts but then stops...

I can hold it in place and have tried every Maguyver bodge I can think of just so we can go play in the mud today but if I turn key off and try and restart it wont make contact again to fire the starter motor sooo im chasing a new ignition barrel, any thoughts on where to get one?
Ive been on ebay already, prefer one in Perth if possible please...

[Blknight.aus]

theres a couple of different styles of ignition barrels over the years, Some are interchangable others are not.

If you can upload a pic someone may have a second handy (ive got 5 different ones to suit my fleet)

Other than that MR automotive in Redcliff QLD are my goto guys for parts.

[Davender]

theres a couple of different styles of ignition barrels over the years, Some are interchangable others are not.

If you can upload a pic someone may have a second handy (ive got 5 different ones to suit my fleet)

Other than that MR automotive in Redcliff QLD are my goto guys for parts.


Pics

[Davender]

The white plastic part is the main issue as it keeps seperating from the rest of the unit unless I hold it in place.

The whole unit seems rather shagged because when turning the key to start the enigne the key sometimes doesnt turn back enough to disengauge the starter so I had to turn it back a bit by hand to stop the starter so my guess is its time for a new one or a better condition used unit?

[Davender]

Does anybody know what model the ignition barrel is interchangable with from the pics ive posted above?

[Blknight.aus]

if its got the steering lock function then any of the defender ones...

If your happy to loose the steering lock function then any of the late series, and country ones as well.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Once you've fixed up the switch you'll need to get one of these:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/05/923.jpg

To restore the smoke balance. :p

[Jojo]

As your truck is a 1993 MY it should be a 200Tdi.

[Davender]

Once you've fixed up the switch you'll need to get one of these:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/05/923.jpg

To restore the smoke balance. :p

^^lol, think im going too pull out all non essential electrical and mechanical parts as I go... Less weight free horse POWA !!
And less ****e too go wrong :)

Now ive tried the search function but still having trouble narrowing down the field of results, soooo does anybody know what the two different part numbers are for a barrel with steering lock and one without?
(father/parts courier is currently in Perth)

Or better yet point me in the right direction to a list of part no's for future reference, as I see that im going to need it :)

Thanks again to all that have posted,

Dave...

[wrinklearthur]

Hi Dave

Your part numbers are for the switches only, not including the lock assembly - Steering Column ;

To VIN Number ****LA 932973, ...... Switch Starter, Part No 579085
From VIN Number ****LA 932974, ...... Switch Starter, Part No PRC8230

Let us know your vehicles VIN number if you need any more help.
.

[sheerluck]

....Or better yet point me in the right direction to a list of part no's for future reference, as I see that im going to need it...

Dave, you need a copy of Microcat - the LandRover parts reference list.

If you click on the "Shop" option at the top, you'll find it in there.

[Davender]

Hi Dave

Your part numbers are for the switches only, not including the lock assembly - Steering Column ;

To VIN Number ****LA 932973, ...... Switch Starter, Part No 579085
From VIN Number ****LA 932974, ...... Switch Starter, Part No PRC8230

Let us know your vehicles VIN number if you need any more help.
.

Cheers wrinklearthur,

Im at work today so I will get the vin number and post it tonight...

A quick google search with the Part no: PRC8230 has led me to this type of Lock barrel and switch with a part number of QRF500110, now looking at the link: Best prices on Land Rover & Range Rover parts and Accessories (http://216.66.35.230/products.php'model=Defender) (NOT NAS)&engine=200Tdi&cattext=Body Electrics&subcattext=Steering Column Lock&group=Steering Column Lock Assembly&year=1993

The vehicle fitment says it should be right and it also looks like the same one ive been playing around with...
It also looks like same amount/layout of the pins on the back of the switch, now im not fussed if it has a steering lock or not but is this ignition barrel/switch assembeley part number likely to be quotable in Aussie? or should I be quoting the part no: PRC8230?
Sorry just trying to make it as easy as possible for the Father to locate the part :)

Also what does (NOT NAS) mean?

Damn needy newbies lol,
Cheers Dave...

[flagg]

Cheers wrinklearthur,

Im at work today so I will get the vin number and post it tonight...

A quick google search with the Part no: PRC8230 has led me to this type of Lock barrel and switch with a part number of QRF500110, now looking at the link: Best prices on Land Rover & Range Rover parts and Accessories (http://216.66.35.230/products.php'model=Defender) (NOT NAS)&engine=200Tdi&cattext=Body Electrics&subcattext=Steering Column Lock&group=Steering Column Lock Assembly&year=1993

The vehicle fitment says it should be right and it also looks like the same one ive been playing around with...
It also looks like same amount/layout of the pins on the back of the switch, now im not fussed if it has a steering lock or not but is this ignition barrel/switch assembeley part number likely to be quotable in Aussie? or should I be quoting the part no: PRC8230?
Sorry just trying to make it as easy as possible for the Father to locate the part :)

Also what does (NOT NAS) mean?

Damn needy newbies lol,
Cheers Dave...

NAS usually means 'North American Spec' in context of Defenders.

[Davender]

Hi Dave

Your part numbers are for the switches only, not including the lock assembly - Steering Column ;

To VIN Number ****LA 932973, ...... Switch Starter, Part No 579085
From VIN Number ****LA 932974, ...... Switch Starter, Part No PRC8230

Let us know your vehicles VIN number if you need any more help.
.

Vin number: JA918579 ???

Its seems I dont know what I have lol...

"J" -1992 model, though its plated 6/93.

[wrinklearthur]

Vin number: JA918579

According to my Defender workshop manual your Land Rover is a 1992 build and so it would have been probably sold in early 1993.

I would order the first part number and if it's number has been superseded it will be able to then sort it self out.

To VIN Number ****LA 932973, ...... Switch Starter, Part No 579085

'JA' is 1992 build year
'LA' is 1994 build year
.

[Davender]

According to my Defender workshop manual your Land Rover is a 1992 build and so it would have been probably sold in early 1993.

I would order the first part number and if it's number has been superseded it will be able to then sort it self out.

To VIN Number ****LA 932973, ...... Switch Starter, Part No 579085

'JA' is 1992 build year
'LA' is 1994 build year
.

Yeah cheers again mate, I will be starting with Perth wreckers and Linn Rover tomorrow morning and go from there :)

[Davender]

Sourced part through Linn Rover Perth, cost was around $150 delivered to my door via airbag ex East, arrived in two days, fitted in half an hour...

Happy :)

[Boxhead63]

What ever you do.. don't smoke..(Yul Brynner)

Rob