Why don't Safari make a snorkel for the 4L V6 Petrol?

[djhampson]

Does anyone know the reason why Safari don't make a snorkel for the 4L V6 Petrol?

I'm aware its possible to put the 2.7L snorkel on the 4L and that Bruce Davis have done it before but I'd just like to see if anyone know the real reason.

Maybe its commercial reasons? Maybe nobody has offered up their 4L D3 for Safari to do some R&D on?

Just for clarity, please make it clear if your speculating or guessing the reason or if you actually know.

[Sadie]

Good question! I would love to put a snorkel on my V6 D3, too. I've emailed Bruce Davis for a quote but never heard back....

[djhampson]

Good question! I would love to put a snorkel on my V6 D3, too. I've emailed Bruce Davis for a quote but never heard back....

I called them and they said they would do it but they wouldn't be able to quote on the fitting cost because they didn't know how long it might take them. The snorkel itself was $500 - 600.

[ADMIRAL]

Does anyone know the reason why Safari don't make a snorkel for the 4L V6 Petrol?

I'm aware its possible to put the 2.7L snorkel on the 4L and that Bruce Davis have done it before but I'd just like to see if anyone know the real reason.

Maybe its commercial reasons? Maybe nobody has offered up their 4L D3 for Safari to do some R&D on?

Just for clarity, please make it clear if your speculating or guessing the reason or if you actually know.
Obvious answer...ask them. It probably comes down to volume. If there are not enough potential users out there, they would not be able to recover their R&D investment, tooling etc.

[400HPONGAS]

Admirals right , a standard case of Supply and demand ,little supply no demand .!!!!

[Sadie]

Does anyone have any idea who to contact? I will happily make some calls...

[Reads90]

Obvious answer...ask them. It probably comes down to volume. If there are not enough potential users out there, they would not be able to recover their R&D investment, tooling etc.

Manly because they did not sell the V6 in Europe or many other places

So not many sold so not worth them making one

[djhampson]

Obvious answer...ask them. It probably comes down to volume. If there are not enough potential users out there, they would not be able to recover their R&D investment, tooling etc.

I did contact them but my query was passed on to ARB who very helpfully told me "No they don't make one".

[Robocop]

The body is the same isn't it? And the air intake still on the drivers side? Pardon me for asking an obvious question but can't the ducting just be customed in someone's driveway with a couple of beers & the handbrake yelling at you for spending too long on the car?

When the twin-cam Suzuki Jimny came out I bought one, there were zero aftermarket accessories available except an ARB non winch bar. Although that car went further, harder, higher, deeper than any 4wd I've owned ARB of course scoffed when I asked about a snorkel. So I made one, it was water tight & it worked. I made everything for that car even down to the custom transfer mounts I needed to install a Sierra transfer case (rock crawler gears weren't available at the time).. And yes I needed custom shafts as well.

I guess my point being is not everything is available to fit straight from the box.. Buy it, mod it & install it. All of my fun times with modding 4wds has been the custom install.

Rob

[djhampson]

The body is the same isn't it? And the air intake still on the drivers side? Pardon me for asking an obvious question but can't the ducting just be customed in someone's driveway with a couple of beers & the handbrake yelling at you for spending too long on the car?

When the twin-cam Suzuki Jimny came out I bought one, there were zero aftermarket accessories available except an ARB non winch bar. Although that car went further, harder, higher, deeper than any 4wd I've owned ARB of course scoffed when I asked about a snorkel. So I made one, it was water tight & it worked. I made everything for that car even down to the custom transfer mounts I needed to install a Sierra transfer case (rock crawler gears weren't available at the time).. And yes I needed custom shafts as well.

I guess my point being is not everything is available to fit straight from the box.. Buy it, mod it & install it. All of my fun times with modding 4wds has been the custom install.

Rob

Exactly why I am asking the question. If the reason Safari don't make a snorkel for the Petrol V6 is supply and demand then I'm going to install a TDv6 snorkel.

If however the reason was a technical one then I'd be reluctant to install one. My only concern is air volume but as Safari make snorkels for other makes 4L and bigger petrol engines I think it should be ok.

As far as I can tell the parts between the guard and the airbox are the same for the 2.7 D, the 4.0L V6 and the 4.4L V8 so in theory no hacking or modding should be needed.

[101RRS]

Does anyone know the reason why Safari don't make a snorkel for the 4L V6 Petrol?

I'm aware its possible to put the 2.7L snorkel on the 4L and that Bruce Davis have done it before but I'd just like to see if anyone know the real reason.

Maybe its commercial reasons? Maybe nobody has offered up their 4L D3 for Safari to do some R&D on?

Just for clarity, please make it clear if your speculating or guessing the reason or if you actually know.

Try getting accessories for the D3s little brother - the RRS. None existant yet with slight modification may D3 bits will fit a RRS - but not where certification is required like Bull Bars.

Garry

[unseenone]

What's the difference between the Petrol V6 and the V8? Anyone have any pictures?

[djhampson]

I tried calling Safari again but this time not letting on so quickly that I was a customer looking to buy a snorkel.

Thankfully, I got someone who was very helpful who confirmed that the V6 Petrol never came up as an engine for Safari to sell a snorkel for.

So there is no known technical reason from Safari's point of view. Given that the 4L isn't sold any more its unlikely that we will get a snorkel however.

I then called ARB to see if they had installed the 2.7L snorkel on a 4L but while the guy was really helpful he was unaware of anyone at ARB who had done so.

So - I'm going to take a chance and buy the 2.7 snorkel and see how it goes on the mighty 4L V6 Petrol.

If by chance the snorkel can't provide enough air flow then I'll make up a way to disconnect the snorkel easily for normal driving and only connect when needed.

[jonesy63]

IIRC, it is just a 80mm hose fitted from body of Safari snorkel to the elbow on the air box. I reckon it is a safe bet that the TDV6 one will fit.

[Sadie]

I called them and they said they would do it but they wouldn't be able to quote on the fitting cost because they didn't know how long it might take them. The snorkel itself was $500 - 600.

Interesting that they won't quote on something that they've apparently done before..... That's a shame.

I have a contact at ARB on another forum I'm on, so I'll see if he can suss this out for us, too..

[Robocop]

Two blokes, a TDV6 snorkel, half a day & 2 x 6 packs of your choice after lunch with 2 shop burgers & chips. Save the fitting cost and the awwwww ummmm weeeelllll we might be able to fit it by some bloke on the phone who couldn't give a F.

[Sadie]

Two blokes, a TDV6 snorkel, half a day & 2 x 6 packs of your choice after lunch with 2 shop burgers & chips. Save the fitting cost and the awwwww ummmm weeeelllll we might be able to fit it by some bloke on the phone who couldn't give a F.

Yeah, it might come to that, yet... It would be nice to find someone who'd done it before, though. Id rather my car not be the guinea pig...:(

[Robocop]

The air intake is the same on the drivers side is it not? The most fiddle will be maybe a few trips to the exhaust shop for some custom pipe work if needed.

[jonesy63]

No need for fabrication - 80mm plastic pipes are available from Autobarn and others. 2 jubilee clamps to both ends and job's done. I don't understand all the dramas. :angel:

[DI5CO]

I guess my point being is not everything is available to fit straight from the box.. Buy it, mod it & install it. All of my fun times with modding 4wds has been the custom install.

Rob

Thats awesome if you can make &/or modify it, me, I'm lucky to make toast! :lol2:

[djhampson]

The Safari Snorkel will fit with no dramas. It will also look a bit more fit for purpose than any custom made effort that I could make.

The reason I created the thread was to make sure that Safari hadn't tried fitting their snorkel to the 4L and discovered that it didn't work. I.e. not enough air flow etc.

I'm satisfied now to get a snorkel and fit it up.

[Sadie]

The Safari Snorkel will fit with no dramas. It will also look a bit more fit for purpose than any custom made effort that I could make.

The reason I created the thread was to make sure that Safari hadn't tried fitting their snorkel to the 4L and discovered that it didn't work. I.e. not enough air flow etc.

I'm satisfied now to get a snorkel and fit it up.

When you do, would you mind posting up a bit of a "how to" for those of us, like me and DI5CO, who are technically challenged?

Thanks in advance!

[isuzurover]

Exactly why I am asking the question. If the reason Safari don't make a snorkel for the Petrol V6 is supply and demand then I'm going to install a TDv6 snorkel.

If however the reason was a technical one then I'd be reluctant to install one. My only concern is air volume but as Safari make snorkels for other makes 4L and bigger petrol engines I think it should be ok.

As far as I can tell the parts between the guard and the airbox are the same for the 2.7 D, the 4.0L V6 and the 4.4L V8 so in theory no hacking or modding should be needed.

How much boost does the TDV6 run? If it is 15 psi or higher, you can basically double the engine capacity. So if the snorkel has been properly designed it should flow enough air for a 5L naturally aspirated petrol easily.

[dominicbeirne]

The LR genuine RAI can be used as a snorkel. When the assembly is bought from LR it has a perforated elbow which is replaced on the air filter. If the elbow id not replaced, but the existing solid elbow is used, you have a snorkel.

Have confirmed this with Austral in Fortitude Valley. Parts approx $750 and can be self fitted.

Cheers

Dom

[Ivan]

When I phoned Austral I wwas quoted $1100 AUD for the LRAI supply only. I eventually got one from the UK cheaper (including delivery).

Ivan

[aliwoh]

Do you have to drill or cut anywhere to fit the RAI? Also tamar4x4store in the UK do them for 332 GBP. Don't know how much shipping is though.

[Ivan]

You have to drill the A pillar to fit it and I think you have to drill the wing. I paid $80 and had it fitted by OL when they fitted my Bullbar and winch. I figured it was not worth me screwing it up :p

Ivan

[oldsalt]

You have to drill one hole in the "A" pillar and two holes in the wing, and then fit "rivnuts" to hold the bolts, just measure twice and double check before you "drill" - wouldn't do the have the holes in the wrong place :o
It's a bit nerve-wracking to drill some holes in your vehicle - but just take your time and you'll be fine.
cheers

[djhampson]

Update: I bought a Safari snorkel on Saturday and finished installing it yesterday.

No real issues to speak of but it is a big job if you're not already comfortable with drilling, angle grinding etc. Or if you got big hands. I've got hundreds of cuts from tightening up the nuts inside the guard.

Will post up a thread with pics soon.

[Sadie]

Looking forward to the pics, djhampson.Whilst I'm no handy-man, I have mates that are. If you post up some good pics, and a bit of a blurb, I may just install one of these, too. Do you reckon it's watertight?

[jonesy63]

Here are some of my install photos.
DISCO3.CO.UK Photo Gallery - Safari Snorkel Install (http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=22671)

All the scratches on my forearms have now healed, but my mind is still scarred by the memory of doing up the top left hand corner nut! :angel:

[Graeme]

I assume that instructions were provided. I've just bought a cheapie which doesn't so thanks for the pics.

[jonesy63]

No worries Graeme.

The instructions from Safari were in a PDF file.

FWIW, I bought a second-hand snorkel from UK - at about 1/3 of a new one here. I did complain to Safari about pricing (new in UK AU$300 vs Australia at $565) - and their reason was volume of sales there.

Cheers,
Rob

[jonesy63]

BTW - if you need the instructions, send me a PM with your email address and I'll forward them to you.

[Graeme]

Thanks Jonesy63 but no need as another member has already offerred.