FC 2 chassis detail

[jakeslouw]

Has anybody got some photos of the FC2A/B chassis with added subframe?

I'm thinking of building something like the attached and I'm trying to work out if an FC chassis would be better than a standard Series 2/3 chassis.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The SIIa-FC chassis is the same as the Australian military chassis or the SIIa and SIII-1 Ton chassis. The SIIB chassis is similar to the above, although the front axle is 3/4" to the front and the rear spring hangers place the springs 2" further outboard in a spring over configuration.

The upper chassis is the same on both SIIA-FC and SIIB and is basically a 4" X 2" C section fixed to a series of saddles on the lower main chassis and overhanging the front by about 18" with a bolted of strut from the dumb iron to the front of the upper chassis.

IMHO you would be better off starting with an extended 101 chassis and running gear.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/217.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/218.jpg

[langy]

Here's a line drawing of the FC chassis & subframe

In some UK LR Mag a long time ago they had a story about the vehicle you describe - As far as I recall there wasn't anything too special about it. Apart from flipping the axles over the springs, increased track and that large load area, it was a standard late Series II (Probably on the 1 ton chassis) - sort of a copy of a Dodge Powerwagon for the oilfields.

The rear end of the subframe on the FC is very similar to what most everyone with a utility makes when they swap a tub for a tray on many makes of vehicles with a chassis. Without being able to find the article on the web, I'd suggest looking at a tray off a 2 ton truck as a template.

Extra: I was looking at the LR Series Page on Wikipedia, and it's fair to say that the yellow recovery version FC has the same axles as the Power Wagon copy. How about cutting/extending a 101FC ( See Mr J's post about what the two vehicles are) and put a normal cab on it?


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/90.jpg

[123rover50]

There is a photo of the sister to that one in the Dec 11 LRO Mag.
It shows 6 stud wheels so 101 running gear may be the go.

[juddy]

The one in your picture is the 129 inch wheel base.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/210.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/211.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/212.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/213.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/214.jpg

The yellow one is. 2 ton forward control. Buttercup, land rovers ex tow truck

[jakeslouw]

Yes, you're right, I want to build a replica of the Eastnor 129".

101 chassis? I do wish, but not obtainable where I live. Only 3 running examples in the country.

So I was thinking an FC rolling chassis to start off, but if the standard Series rolling chassis is a good base (with some 1 ton tweaks and SOA where appropriate), then it's a lot easier to obtain.

The one good thing is that our FC2Bs all had Salisburies front AND back.

[juddy]

I thought the 2b had env diffs? Or was that excluding SA?

[jakeslouw]

I thought the 2b had env diffs? Or was that excluding SA?

Normally, yes, but ours were CKD units, and Leyland South Africa (who had the build contract) plonked Salisbury axles into most. Pretty glad about that, because ENV spares are quite scarce. And I can use Dana 60 bits at a push to upgrade.

[wagoo]

Here's a line drawing of the FC chassis & subframe

In some UK LR Mag a long time ago they had a story about the vehicle you describe - As far as I recall there wasn't anything too special about it. Apart from flipping the axles over the springs, increased track and that large load area, it was a standard late Series II (Probably on the 1 ton chassis) - sort of a copy of a Dodge Powerwagon for the oilfields.

The rear end of the subframe on the FC is very similar to what most everyone with a utility makes when they swap a tub for a tray on many makes of vehicles with a chassis. Without being able to find the article on the web, I'd suggest looking at a tray off a 2 ton truck as a template.

Extra: I was looking at the LR Series Page on Wikipedia, and it's fair to say that the yellow recovery version FC has the same axles as the Power Wagon copy. How about cutting/extending a 101FC ( See Mr J's post about what the two vehicles are) and put a normal cab on it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1963_Land_Rover_112_Recovery_Wagon_Heritage_M otor_Centre,_Gaydon.jpg
From memory, the yellow FC was quite a different beast to any other LandRover built vehicle.I'm happy to be corrected on some details, but as I recall, it was powered by a 6-354 Perkins Deisel coupled to a 5 speed ENV gearbox and ENV transfercase, feeding into planetary hub reduction axle assemblies and lockable diffs.
Jake, The 129'' had much wider axles than the series 2B FCs, whose wheel track width was only 55.5''.Try 101 axles at 60.5'' wheel track and you would be in the ball park.
bill.

[jakeslouw]

Jake, The 129'' had much wider axles the series 2B FCs whose wheel track width was only 55.5''.Try 101 axles at 60.5'' wheel track and you would be in the ball park.
bill.

Thanks Bill.

Maybe wider rims with 2.5 inch offset? Surely that can widen the stance close to 60 inches?

[123rover50]

You will still have 5 stud wheels instead of 6.

[wagoo]

Thanks Bill.

Maybe wider rims with 2.5 inch offset? Surely that can widen the stance close to 60 inches?

The standard swivel ball housings will probably split near the flanges with that much offset. Best have a pair of 5'' long bottom swivel pins made so that the pins protrude out the bottom of the steering arms, and with a 19mm Rose joint you can make up a brace/3rd king pin from those to the banjo housing, similar to what Maxidrive did to cope with the extra leverage from their portal drop boxes.
Bill.

[jakeslouw]

@123rover50: thanks, what's the PCD on those 6-stud hubs?

@Bill: so maybe a set of 60-inch Dana leaf-sprung axles off the old Ford F-series would be a better plan? That opens another whole kettle of fish, though, as the Ford rear axle pumpkin is centered, not offset.

[123rover50]

[QUOTE=jakeslouw;1618057]@123rover50: thanks, what's the PCD on those 6-stud hubs?

Sorry dont know. One of the 101 mob will pop up and say , hopefully.
I have a 6x6 Perentie which has a wider track than the 101 but standard 5 stud hubs.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Make it bulletproof and use UniMog axles with double diff locks.

[uninformed]

a couple of those 129 pics look to have an env front and sals rear...bigger than rover at any count

[wagoo]

@123rover50: thanks, what's the PCD on those 6-stud hubs?

@Bill: so maybe a set of 60-inch Dana leaf-sprung axles off the old Ford F-series would be a better plan? That opens another whole kettle of fish, though, as the Ford rear axle pumpkin is centered, not offset.
With such a long rear propshaft it wouldn't matter if the rear diff was centred.. Universal joints just see a total angle. They don't discern that the angle is up, down or crossways.
When it comes to axle assemblies, don't waste time and effort on Rover crap if you have alternatives.
bill.

[101RRS]

The PCD of 101 rims is about 205-210mm and the hub hole is much larger than the standard landrover offering.

Garry

[jakeslouw]

With such a long rear propshaft it wouldn't matter if the rear diff was centred.. Universal joints just see a total angle. They don't discern that the angle is up, down or crossways.
When it comes to axle assemblies, don't waste time and effort on Rover crap if you have alternatives.
bill.

Dankie Oom Bill (Thanks, Uncle Bill)

Isuzu 4BD1T, 5-speed Isuzu box, Patrol transfer case, and Ford F-series Dana axles?

Does that sound OK?

[wagoo]

Dankie Oom Bill (Thanks, Uncle Bill)

Isuzu 4BD1T, 5-speed Isuzu box, Patrol transfer case, and Ford F-series Dana axles?

Does that sound OK?

Almost Jake;). Can we find a way of using a different brand of chassis? and don't forget to fit a LandCruiser power steering box.
I don't mind the Series cab and front wing treatment though, and the tray back is more pleasing to my eye than the pickup. Lose the deep sill panels though. they always look hideous no matter what body type or wheelbase they were fitted to.
Bill

[jakeslouw]

Almost Jake;). Can we find a way of using a different brand of chassis? and don't forget to fit a LandCruiser power steering box.
I don't mind the Series cab and front wing treatment though, and the tray back is more pleasing to my eye than the pickup. Lose the deep sill panels though. they always look hideous no matter what body type or wheelbase they were fitted to.
Bill

Series 2 & 3 chassis are as cheap as chips over here. I can get a rolling chassis without registration for under US$500. Wangling a reg is as easy as finding a rotten chassis with papers and swopping the chassis numbers.

Other chassis: early Toyota FJ45 are expensive, and Patrol 160 chassis are also very scarce.

I suppose I could try and find a Ford F100 somewhere.

Chevy K-series: very scarce.

What did you have in mind?

[wagoo]

Series 2 & 3 chassis are as cheap as chips over here. I can get a rolling chassis without registration for under US$500. Wangling a reg is as easy as finding a rotten chassis with papers and swopping the chassis numbers.

Other chassis: early Toyota FJ45 are expensive, and Patrol 160 chassis are also very scarce.

I suppose I could try and find a Ford F100 somewhere.

Chevy K-series: very scarce.

What did you have in mind?
I was thinking of Africa as a single country, and thought that Toyota chassis would be a dime a dozeni over there, just like here. I was also thinking of a chassis more appropriate to the 129'' wheelbase. Or one constructed from real steel that would be easier to extend than the paper thin rails of a Landrover chassis.
Actually,I'm straying too far away from your original intention, but the more I study the 129 photos such as they are, the more i'm inclined to think that Rover were giving themselves the option of a forward control layout on the same chassis. The 129 cab is mounted unneccesarily high on the chassis for a conventional non forward control layout, and from a practical and aesthetic viewpoint, a cleaned up version of the converted series 2a tow truck from Juddys post would have been better IMO.
Bill.

[101RRS]

Here is a starting point - a normal control 101.

[jakeslouw]

The Toyota is a revered animal over here: restored FJ45s and suchlike generate big $$$.

So have a look:

1978 Land Cruiser FJ45 Pick up - Johannesburg & Gauteng car, van, bakkies, truck - Gumtree Johannesburg & Gauteng Free Classifieds (http://johannesburg.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-bakkies-cargo-vans-1978-Land-Cruiser-FJ45-Pick-up-W0QQAdIdZ342874536)

Toyota Landcruiser (FJ45) H Diesel Left hand Drive - Johannesburg & Gauteng car, van, bakkies, truck - Gumtree Johannesburg & Gauteng Free Classifieds (http://johannesburg.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-bakkies-cargo-vans-Toyota-Landcruiser-FJ45-H-Diesel-Left-hand-Drive-W0QQAdIdZ343130778)

Around R7.77 to the US$, so US$10,000 and upwards!

As for being pure to the 129" concept: obviously stretching the wheelbase is not an option, maybe just a 109" with a slightly extended load-bed tray-back, with a standard Series bulkhead and cab. The front wings will be moved outwards, and I'd use flat ally plate to make up a bonnet and front grill plate.

Hence my thoughts on using the 110" FC2B chassis which already has a sub-frame welded onto the chassis rails. And the added advantage of Salisbury axles.

But maybe this is all just pie-in-the-sky.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Here is a starting point - a normal control 101.
...
IMHO you would be better off starting with an extended 101 chassis and running gear.
... As I said in post 2 of the thread!
You may be better off using a 101" chassis and running gear and lengthening the chassis.

Still the chassis rails on the 129 seem wider apart.

[jakeslouw]

As I said in post 2 of the thread!
You may be better off using a 101" chassis and running gear and lengthening the chassis.

Still the chassis rails on the 129 seem wider apart.

I'd be stoked if I could find a 101 in my country. It would be utter sacrilege to take the body off one, I'd be hung, drawn and quartered by the local LROC.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

This is the Land Rover prototype that I've always wanted to reproduce!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/1544.jpg

The Llama

[jakeslouw]

This is the Land Rover prototype that I've always wanted to reproduce!



The Llama

Hey, Di, no thread hijacking! ;)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hey, Di, no thread hijacking! ;)I'll talk to the moderator and see if I want to take any action against myself for the hyjack! :D

[wagoo]

This is the Land Rover prototype that I've always wanted to reproduce!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/1544.jpg

The Llama
At least the oil leaks on the road will be easy enough to reproduce.
Bill.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

At least the oil leaks on the road will be easy enough to reproduce.
Bill.Oil leaks are an OEM fitting. The following is pre production Number 2 at the Rover, Lode Lane Factory.

http://chrishodgetrucks.co.uk/pixcma2/aan707.jpg
Image location: http://chrishodgetrucks.co.uk/pixcma2/aan707.jpg