Bypass Oil filter spin-on adapter.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Have recently seen a UK kit for the early 1600 and Siamese bore 2 litre IOE by-pass oil filter. This kit seems one of the better types and am investigating further for price and shipping quotes.

The images are of a Rover P3 car but the filter adapter fits in the same way for both the 80" and 86" models with them.

Diana

[wrinklearthur]

Hi Diana

Looks the goods that filter.

When designing this I would say that the flow and pressure needs to be considered carefully.
But that configuration does look to me to be well within the capabilities of any local fitting and turning workshop.
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[Lotz-A-Landies]

Its a big lump of aluminium if it is made from a single billet. But yes very possible to do.

The important aspect is to use a spin on filter that doesn't have a valve or resistance pressure to overcome before oil will flow. These valves are a part of many current spin-on filters. If the filter does have too high resistance, the oil may simply continue through the engine system and not bypass some of it through the filter.

If you have a lathe and time, sure make one yourself, but if not you may consider getting something like this already made!

BTW: You should see the particular car this is fitted to! A hand built convertible P3 made in 1949.

[Tote]

Diana,
Are you aware of the one the series one club market?

Regards,
Tote

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Yes

[ellard]

Hi there

I have a friend in Adelaide who also makes them, but his are all hidden insed of the old filter cartridge.

Will take some pictures and post.

All the best

Waynee

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi there

I have a friend in Adelaide who also makes them, but his are all hidden insed of the old filter cartridge.

Will take some pictures and post.

All the best

WayneeI have one of those, you need to supply a non rusty canister and have to use a special tool to remove the filter.

But the more information and options we have for forum members the better. :)

[ellard]

As promised - pictures

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/1460.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/1461.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/1462.jpg


All the best

Wayne

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Wayne

That is a very different animal to the one I got from South Australia a couple or three years ago.

I'd be quite happy with one like that.

Diana

[gromit]

Just one comment about these filter/adaptors.

The bypass system uses a very fine filter but only filters a percentage of the oil. A full flow filter is designed to filter all the oil but uses a coarser filter element.

I understand why a spin-on full-flow filter cannister is used in the conversions (convenience, availability, cost etc.) but is it the best thing to use ? Only filter a percentage of the oil (as per original) but filter it at a coarser level (not as per original).
I realise that the original bypass filters are slightly less common than rocking horse poo so something is better than nothing but bypass filter systems are readily available so maybe a better solution would be to base a conversion on a readily available bypass filter element ?

Jackmaster Oil Filters | Oil Filters, Rolls, Tee Pieces, Swivels, Fittings | Bypass oil filter (http://jackmasteroilfilters.com.au/about_jackmaster.html)

Just my thoughts.....


Colin

[chazza]

Good point Colin and thanks for the link!

I am going to use a bulkhead mounted filter on my 80" when I get it running - the one I have was available in 1951 as well :D

Cheers Charlie

[123rover50]

Just one comment about these filter/adaptors.

The bypass system uses a very fine filter but only filters a percentage of the oil. A full flow filter is designed to filter all the oil but uses a coarser filter element.

I understand why a spin-on full-flow filter cannister is used in the conversions (convenience, availability, cost etc.) but is it the best thing to use ? Only filter a percentage of the oil (as per original) but filter it at a coarser level (not as per original).
I realise that the original bypass filters are slightly less common than rocking horse poo so something is better than nothing but bypass filter systems are readily available so maybe a better solution would be to base a conversion on a readily available bypass filter element ?

Jackmaster Oil Filters | Oil Filters, Rolls, Tee Pieces, Swivels, Fittings | Bypass oil filter (http://jackmasteroilfilters.com.au/about_jackmaster.html)

Just my thoughts.....


Colin
Interesting read. If it can use a Franz roll how is it better than Franz.
What is the difference?. I heard that roll filters were not highly regarded.

[gromit]

Interesting read. If it can use a Franz roll how is it better than Franz.
What is the difference?. I heard that roll filters were not highly regarded.

I don't think he is saying his filter is better/worse/different than Frantz, it's just that you can buy his filter assembly & use either his or Frantz filters.

Father-in-law talks about them being a very common fitment on trucks years ago. He always refers to them as 'dunny roll filters', if you read the Frantz info the original patent was based on using a dunny roll but they now use purpose designed filters (that look like dunny rolls !)

Australian site:-
Frantz Filters Australasia (http://www.frantzfilters.com.au/)
US site :-
Frantz Oil Filters (http://www.frantzoil.com/home.html)

This one takes the place of a spin-on filter so might be a better bet for a conversion.
Not sure how they can put a fine filter into a full-flow application though....it might put extra load on the oil pump. OK for a bypass application.
Stilko Lifetime Oil Filters - oil filter,filtration system,clean oil,oil filtering,car oil (http://www.stilko.co.za/)


Colin

[incisor]

trasko make some good dunny roll filters as well

i had one on my rangie and it was eggsellent!

[wrinklearthur]

This one takes the place of a spin-on filter .
Not sure how they can put a fine filter into a full-flow application though....it might put extra load on the oil pump. OK for a bypass application.
Stilko Lifetime Oil Filters Colin

Hi All

Most engines keep the oil circulation within the confines of the engine itself.
When these filters are added to those motors, you have opened the oil way to devices remote to the engine itself.
Unless the installation has been done properly there is a chance that a oil line could fracture and dump all of the oil, not good for long term engine life and defeats the point of fitting those filters in the first place.

To get the best out of these filters the installation needs to be done to a high standard.

Getting back to the series one motors, the original design of that motor before it was thought of being fitted into the 80", had only the oil strainer for the pump pickup, built into the side of the sump, made that way so that at the time for a oil change, it could be unscrewed and pulled out to clean, the bypass filter as far as I know, was only started to be fitted to Rover engines ( P3 Rover ), just prior to the development of the Land Rover.

Has anyone fitted a filter into the oil cooler lines of the 300TDi ?
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[Lotz-A-Landies]

trasko make some good dunny roll filters as well...And if you get caught short, you always know where there's a spare dunny roll! :o

[1950landy]

Hi there

I have a friend in Adelaide who also makes them, but his are all hidden insed of the old filter cartridge.

Will take some pictures and post.

All the best

Waynee
Hi , Any idea of cost & how i can go about geting one made . Wayne

[1950landy]

Have recently seen a UK kit for the early 1600 and Siamese bore 2 litre IOE by-pass oil filter. This kit seems one of the better types and am investigating further for price and shipping quotes.

The images are of a Rover P3 car but the filter adapter fits in the same way for both the 80" and 86" models with them.

Diana
Do you know where I can get one of these adaptors i've been looking every where on the net & cant find them . Wayne

[101 Ron]

I still play with by pass filters in the old pieces of junk I am often asked to work on.
Ryco Z8 is a spin on filter with the restrition built into the spin on filter itself.
That means a common and easy to get Z9 oil filter remote housing can be used.
Dont forget holden grey motor oil filter kits used R3P element type filters and housings and they are still advailible.
The WW2 jeep used a slighty larger R4P element and housing and WW2 jeep stuff is advailible new and is usually cheap.
Diana if you drop into work I can show you a continental F227 motor with a R3P filter and housing bolted to the cylinder head........interestingly the same motor can be fitted with full flow filters too.
Also my 1960 jeep with IOE motor is running both standard bypass R3P mounted on the cylinder head and a full flow Z9 mounted on the fire wall.

[1950landy]

I've decided to order an adaptor kit from series 1 Club UK.:D I sold a genuine Rover bypass filter still in the Rover box & with Rover transfur on the side of the filter on Ebay a couple of years for $200 :Dso that will pay for the kit. :banana:Wayne

[1950landy]

I received my oil filter adaptor from Series 1 Club UK today. Four hours later , lots of nice words I had it fitted after unbolting booth engine mounts & removing the L/H mount bracket & leavering the engine over to the R/H side. I took the bracket off so I could remove & reseal the pipe conections on the motor . I then droped the sump to clean any sludge out ( didn't find any ) Will make a new cork gasket tomorrow & refit the sump.:cool:
The fitting instructions say ( Please do not just slip the conversion in from the belwo like the old ZS1 dodge , make sure that the lip is in the slotof the bracket as due to the weight of the adaptor it may drop out & for the same reason put all the bolts into the bracket " I KNOW IT'S A LOVELY JOB" but you dont want it to fall off . What an understatment :o.
It also says - this filter being smaller will need to be replaced every oil change unlike the ZS1 which was every second change or like some people EVERY OTHER DECADE OR EVERY 100,000,000 MILES:o. Will post photo's tomorrow if i remember to bring the camera home:cool:

[1950landy]

After 1/2 hour runing , has no leaks & oil is nice & clean:BigThumb: Wayne

[1950landy]

Still have to drill through the clamp into the adapter for a roll pin so the adapter doesn't turn when changing the filter, Will do that when the Jag comes off the hoist rather than trying to drill it laying on my back:BigThumb:
Wayne

[123rover50]

Is the body one whole solid billet of alloy?:eek:

[1950landy]

Is the body one whole solid billet of alloy?:eek:
YEP :o weight 15kg's Helps to stop the Landrover lean with some weight on the near side:twisted:

[1950landy]

YEP :o weight 15kg's Helps to stop the Landrover lean with some weight on the near side:twisted:
Guy from series1 club told me 15kg but customs declaration states 3kg;)