Safari snorkel D4 - How/where does it fit

[Ozzy119]

Hi all,

Am soon getting a snorkel put in and am just curious where the pipework goes? Anyone with one (not the landrover raised air intake) care to describe the set up and/or picks if possible.

I'm also guessing some holes and rivets in the window A frame to hold the upright in place?

many thanks

[sniegy]

I have fitted a few of these.
The pipe work runs from the air intake grille on the rhs & in along a chanel built into the upper guard. Holes will need to be drilled, inner panels will need to be cut away too.
A plate is pop riveted to the "A" pillar which holds the upright section.

Sorry don't have pic's as I now have the LR RAI.

Cheers

[unseenone]

Is this a Petrol or TD? The A pillar trim needs to have a small slit cut in it. You need to be careful when you do it to make it neat. The kit comes with rivets. You need to drill holes in the A Pillar, put sealer on it, then pop rivet it together. You need an extra sharp bit, and have to be careful not to push the bit in too far and hit something.

The Template for the body cut is 5 holes if I recall. The template calls for a lot larger holes than are really required. You can avoid giant holes, by trying to be as precise as possible when marking. A body bit works the best, and won't mess up the paint work.

In the NA V8 4.4 Petrol, you have to remove the airbox, and then cut based on a template in order to enlarge the hole so the elbow will fit. A piece of hose fits between the elbow and the snorkel body. Sealer is placed on a supplied gasket when you put the airbox back together.

Once it is all done, you will have a sealed air supply from the top of the snorkel to the air box. You'll notice in the bottom of the air box a rubber flap, which acts as a one way valve to allow water to escape that enters into the box. The A Pillars pictured top is a new one, and bottom is the old one. The old ones dried out, and the mounts crack, one of the causes of leaks on the LR3's. The new one seems stouter.

Didn't get to many progress pictures, but it took a few hours all in all. I hope this helps.

[jonesy63]

Ozzy119 - I did an install of a Safari Snorkel this weekend, in between storms. :eek:

I bought it second hand from the UK - and it was a few hundred cheaper than getting a new one.

I took some photos of the install process and just uploaded them to the disco3 site - here is the link:
DISCO3.CO.UK Photo Gallery - Safari Snorkel Install (http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=22671)

FYI, I bought 83mm flexible hose which fitted the snorkel body ok - but had to modify the airbox to allow it to fit. FWIW, the circumference of the snorkel inlet to flexible hose was 26cm and the original airbox inlet was 29cm. So I had to trim that off - just leaving the inner pipe and fitted the hose to that.

I would have fitted Safari Snorkel hose, elbow to airbox - but they are being pitb's to order spare parts. :twisted:

Anyhow, job done.

Cheers,
Rob

[Robocop]

I'll be fitting a new Safari snorkel to my D4 this week. Will be taking pics along the way. No rain here for weeks lol.

Cheers Rob.

[jonesy63]

Hey Rob - two things:
1) Hopefully you haven't got "Popeye forearms" - there is bugger-all space in between the guard and body to do up the nyloc nuts holding the snorkel body to the guard. Otherwise, be prepared for some welts. :eek:
2) The storms included lightning - a great motivator to finish the job! :angel:

[jonesy63]

BTW, the second hand snorkel I got never came with the Safari hose or elbow to airbox - as the guy kept it to put on his RAI which he preferred the look of. I had a LR RAI on my D3 and now Safari on D4: from a noise and aesthetic perspective - there is nothing in it!

[Robocop]

Thanks Jonsie not quite popeye arms but not as bad as my mechanic who's fitting the ARB bar with a broken arm... I haven't checked in the box yet but I assume the paint treatment after drilling the holes is included...

[ADMIRAL]

Thanks Jonsie not quite popeye arms but not as bad as my mechanic who's fitting the ARB bar with a broken arm... I haven't checked in the box yet but I assume the paint treatment after drilling the holes is included...

No...you have to provide your own

[Robocop]

Thanks Admiral. I thought it was a trap.

[Robocop]

As promised the snorkel install was started today.. then stopped after my first read of the instructions. The snorkel supplied states D3 2.7L TDV6 on the instructions. A quick call to Safari & I'm informed the hardware is all the same only a slight change in the template location for the D4..
If the change wasn't the location of the 4 holes that are needed to be drilled through the RH guard I wouldn't be worried, but they are. Now seeking up to date instructions for the D4 fitting...

[mike7]

Am thinking of having a safari snorkel fitted as well. Just wanted to ask is there any air noise when cruising at 100-110kph from the snorkel.

Cheers
Mike

[jonesy63]

Hardly any noise from either LR RAI or Safari Snorkel. In fact, I think the RAI is noisier at slower speeds- when the driver's window is down - due to the intake being at the back... you hear induction noises.

[scarry]

Anyone noticed any change in fuel economy after the safari one has been fitted?
The D2 used slightly more fuel after i had a safari snorkle fitted.

[ADMIRAL]

Am thinking of having a safari snorkel fitted as well. Just wanted to ask is there any air noise when cruising at 100-110kph from the snorkel.

Cheers
Mike
Yes there is a slight increase in noise, but you would be hard put to hear it with the windows up. At low speeds with the window down, you can hear the diesel gargling. A side effect of all this, is that there is actually less buffeting with the window down on the drivers side, as the snorkel breaks up the airflow. I have not noticed any increase in fuel usage. I would think that would be hard to measure.

[Platypus]

I've had a Safari Snorkel fitted to my GQ Patrol for last 20 years and no noticeable noise either from induction or local turbulence (mind you it's not a quiet beast). Wouldn't the ram effect of the intake facing the apparent wind actually improve the air inflow and thus more likely reduce the fuel consumption? I'm not saying it does but on the surface that might be a possibility. (Scientific input required.)
Paul

[ADMIRAL]

I've had a Safari Snorkel fitted to my GQ Patrol for last 20 years and no noticeable noise either from induction or local turbulence (mind you it's not a quiet beast). Wouldn't the ram effect of the intake facing the apparent wind actually improve the air inflow and thus more likely reduce the fuel consumption? I'm not saying it does but on the surface that might be a possibility. (Scientific input required.)
Paul

I would think the air velocity ( read speed ) would have to be a lot more than the average 4WD is capable of, and with an far larger opening to have any measurable performance increase.....but I am no engineer!

I had a snorkel on a Patrol too, and yes you could hardly hear any induction noise, and yes they are very noisy compared to a D3/4

[discotwinturbo]

I find that the induction noise is much worse on the D4 then with my previous GU patrol at low speed and only noticeable on both with windows down. When I sat in the passenger side on the GU noise was similar but much more quiet. Maybe worse on the D4 due to the need for more air....more air and more fuel equals more power ?
Cruising.....no real noticeable difference.

[time2]

As promised the snorkel install was started today.. then stopped after my first read of the instructions. The snorkel supplied states D3 2.7L TDV6 on the instructions. A quick call to Safari & I'm informed the hardware is all the same only a slight change in the template location for the D4..
If the change wasn't the location of the 4 holes that are needed to be drilled through the RH guard I wouldn't be worried, but they are. Now seeking up to date instructions for the D4 fitting...


Hi Robocop

How did you go with your install? Do you have any pictures?

[Robocop]

Hi Robocop

How did you go with your install? Do you have any pictures?

Install went alright, I contacted Safari & the D3 template can be used only it's lined up with the upper crease in the F/R fender & end of the fender panel. My only issue was the 6mm bit used to drill holes in the A pilar was not good enough. I thought the $25 hardened steel bit was good, but not good enough apparently.

I'll take some pics & post them up.

Cheers Rob

[Graeme]

My only issue was the 6mm bit used to drill holes in the A pilar was not good enough. I thought the $25 hardened steel bit was good, but not good enough apparently.
Did the bit have a tungsten tip? I've recently bought one but haven't tried it yet.

[Robocop]

Hi Graeme,
It was a few months ago now but I'm pretty sure i bought a diamond tip, didn't work well at all..

Rob

[Stuart02]

Has anyone been able to identity genuine economy improvements due to adding a snorkel?
The 'air ram effect' makes sense to me for older carburetted and naturally aspirated engines, but not for our cars?
I only ask cos its a good argument to present to the chairman... :)

[Graeme]

I'm pretty sure i bought a diamond tip
I'll see how my $10 tungsten tip stands up to the task.

[Robocop]

Has anyone been able to identity genuine economy improvements due to adding a snorkel?
The 'air ram effect' makes sense to me for older carburetted and naturally aspirated engines, but not for our cars?
I only ask cos its a good argument to present to the chairman... :)

For the chairman then yes, for the minister of engineering, sorry no. I've noticed a drop in economy since installing mine.

[101RRS]

I'll see how my $10 tungsten tip stands up to the task.


So what is so hard about drilling the holes?

[Robocop]

So what is so hard about drilling the holes?

Umm probably whatever thickness the A pillar is. It isn't soft Steele I can tell you that.

[Graeme]

The instructions say to use a specialist drill bit for hard steel. Thickness isn't the issue.

[Redback]

The instructions say to use a specialist drill bit for hard steel. Thickness isn't the issue.

Yes, so be prepared for one drill bit per hole!!

Baz.

[Gords]

When I was talking to ARB about getting one installed the bloke said that they haven't been able to fit one without breaking a drill bit!

[jonesy63]

From memory, there are 5 holes in the A pillar mount and I drilled 4. At which point I dulled about 4 std drill bits and thought "That will do!" :D

[Robocop]

Yes I remember going through a few bits, in the end I drilled a pilot hole first.

[CraigE]

Yeah so I found out today, bought cobalt bits as advised. lasted 1 hole. Well I suppose off to Bunnings again tomorrow and at least 4 drill bits. What a joke. Anyone had any better luck with any particular type of bit? Cobalt, Tungsten, Diamond?


Yes, so be prepared for one drill bit per hole!!

Baz.

[DiscoJeffster]

Just buy a drill bit per hole. It’s the simplest approach

[landrovermick]

I have fitted a few of these.
The pipe work runs from the air intake grille on the rhs & in along a chanel built into the upper guard. Holes will need to be drilled, inner panels will need to be cut away too.
A plate is pop riveted to the "A" pillar which holds the upright section.

Sorry don't have pic's as I now have the LR RAI.

Cheers

Sneigy you wouldn’t happen to have a copy of the install templates for the Safari would you ?

[Tombie]

Sneigy you wouldn’t happen to have a copy of the install templates for the Safari would you ?

Pete hasnt been on this forum since June 2020.

I have a copy of them here (somewhere). If i can find them, I'll try and scan them.

[landrovermick]

Pete hasnt been on this forum since June 2020.

I have a copy of them here (somewhere). If i can find them, I'll try and scan them.

Mate I think I’m going to go with a new one the second hand one I was going to get needs to come out of a donor car in campbellfield