Spare wheel and jerry carrier

[carlschmid2002]

Does anyone know who makes a swing away mount for the back of a MY12 Def 90 that can incorporate both the spare wheel and a jerry mount on the other side. I have seen plenty that will accommodate the spare wheel but not both.

[juddy]

Yep pm my your email and I will send on some info.

[KarlB]

Carrying fuel on the outside of a vehicle may be illegal and have implications for your insurance. The following is a state by state summary of the relevant legislation that I copied from another forum:

WESTERN AUSTRALIA

The WA Dangerous Goods Act 1988, and Dangerous Goods (Transport) (Road and Rail) Regulations
1999, contains the relevant regulations, both of which are based on the Australian Dangerous
Goods Code (ADGC), sixth edition.

The maximum permissible quantity is 250 litres of petrol, which should be carried in approved
containers in either the boot or on external brackets. It can be carried within the passenger
compartment, such as the back of a station wagon, in approved, properly restrained containers,
but this is not recommended.
Contact the Explosives and Dangerous Goods Division of the WA Department of Mineral and
Petroleum Resources for further into (08 9222 333)



QUEENSLAND

The Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Dangerous Goods) Regulation 1998 permits
carrying up to 250 litres of dangerous goods (fuel) for personal use. The responsibility for
filling a jerry can and ensuring it is an approved container lies with the person filling the
container.

Under the Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995 owners are prohibited from
modifying their vehicle, its parts or equipment, and from carrying dangerous goods
(irrespective of quantity or position), in an unsafe manner.

This includes carrying containers upright, ensuring they don't leak and are properly secured,
and do not overload the vehicle (especially if transported on roof-racks). A booklet titled Load
Restraint Guide (available from Commonwealth Government Bookshops) should be consulted
Write to: Greg Swann, Group Manager, Vehicle Safety and Industry Reform Section,
Queensland Transport, PO Box 673 Fortitude Valley QLD 4006.



SOUTH AUSTRALIA

In South Australia, petrol is covered by the Dangerous Substances Act and Regulations, which are
in turn based on the ADGC; therefore, the same 250- limit applies.

Diesel is unregulated, as elsewhere, but the Department for Administrative and Information
Services advises that petrol (and diesel) transportation would be covered by the general duty of
care provisions contained in Sections 11 and 12 of the Dangerous Substances Act.

The Road Traffic Act has provisions for duly of care relating to vehicle safety issues such as
overhanging loads and impact protection. They also state that, while carrying fuel in the
driver's vapour space (in a van or wagon), is much debated, it is up to each individual driver
to assess their own risk and duty of care provisions when deciding whether to fit a range tank
or carry fuel in jerry cans. Dangerous Substances Branch, Workplace Services (0Cool 8303 0447



VICTORIA

In Victoria, the relevant legislation is the Road Act 1995, which has been adopted from
the, (Dangerous Goods) Act -1995 and the Road Transport (Dangerous Goods) Regulations.

The Regulations reference the ADGC under which Regulation 1.10 exempts small quantities of fuel
from the rigours of the Dangerous Goods legislation. This refers, again, to petrol only. Diesel
is not considered dangerous goods.

They maintain it is the responsibility of the driver items, regardless of type, are firmly and
a fuel should be stored in AS2906 containers minimum requirement.
Write to: Victorian WorkCover Authority, Dangerous Goods Unit
GPO Box 4306 Melbourne Vic 3001



TASMANIA

The Tasmanian government refers these, issues to the Dangerous Goods (Road and Rail Transport)
Regulations 1998, which covers general safety and load restraint safety.

The filling of fuel containers is also covered by AS1940 - Storage and Handling of Combustible
and Flammable Liquids. They advise that a person can carry 250 litres of petrol for private use
(as per the ADOC), but the containers must meet AS2906 Fuel Containers/Portable/Plastics and
Metal.

Tasmanian Vehicle and Traffic (Vehicle Standards) that an object fitted to a vehicle must be
designed, built and maintained to minimise the likelihood of injury. As such, this would
prohibit the fitting of jerry cans containing dangerous or explosive substances to any vehicle
(car,4WD, caravan, trailer), especially given the likelihood of rear or side-impact collisions.

Owners of vehicles should check the 'fine print' of their insurance policies. If fuel is
transported in an unsafe manner and an accident leads to greater damage or injury than might
otherwise have been the case apportion blame to the driver and/or invalidate the policy.
Write to: The Department of Infrastructure, Energy and Resources,
GPO BOX 936 HOBART TAS 7001.



NEW SOUTH WALES

The NSW Environment Protection Authority (EPA) and WorkCover NSW are the competent authorities
for dangerous goods control in NSW. They' administer the Road and Rail Transport (Dangerous
Goods) Act 1997 and the Road Transport Reform (Dangerous Goods) (NSW) Regulations 1998.

Under these laws, jerry cans must be approved containers for the transport of Class 3 liquids
(petrol) (ie, AS2906) and the maximum permissible quantity is 250 litres. Diesel is not
considered a dangerous good, but a combustible, and must be carried in a safe manner.

Division 9.3.1 (1) (e) of the ADGC states that 'if the package (ie, jerry can) contains
dangerous goods of a kind that may lead to the formation of flammable, toxic or other harmful
atmospheres - the package must be stowed so that no harmful atmosphere will accumulate in the
cabin If the package leaks'.

The above would indicate that great care should be taken when storing jerry cans inside a 4WD's
luggage compartment, whether it is a separate boot or part of the passenger compartment. AS2906
containers are designed not to vent to the atmosphere, provided they are in good condition and
the seals/lids are functioning correctly.

Write to: NSW Environment Protection Authority
Dangerous Goods Office
59-61 Goulburn St, Sydney NSW 2000.



NORTHERN TERRITORY.

Only containers which comply with Northern Territory Dangerous Goods Regulation 217 can be used
to transport flammable, (petrol.) and combustible (diesel) fuels. Essentially, this covers
containers complying with AS1533/34 and AS1 940, but 'approved container' is also specified
which indicates that containers complying with AS2906 would also be acceptable.

The Northern Territory Dangerous Goods legislation is b ADGC, which specifies that not more
than 250 litres of petrol can be carried. No quantity is specified for diesel.

Information bulletins are available at www.nt.gov.au/cbb/wha (http://www.nt.gov.au/cbb/wha) or contact
The Department of Industries and Business, Work Health (0Cool 8999 511 8



AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY

The transport of fuel is covered under the Dangerous Goods Act. 1975, Dangerous, Goods
Regulations 1978, Road Transport Reform (Dangerous Goods) Act 1995 and Road Transport
(Dangerous Goods) Regulations. The latter takes its requirements from the ADGC.

The DGA (1975) Section, 12 and 14 require fuel to be carried in appropriate, containers
to prevent spillage or leakage, and make it an offence to carry fuel in a manner likely to
cause death/injury, or damage to property.

Section 37(1) of the RTR (DIG) Act1 1995 requires fuel be transported in a safe manner.
Sub Section (2) makes it an offence to do so where a person "ought to have known" that what
they were doing was unsafe or likely to cause damage to persons or property.
Contact: ACT WorkCover (Dangerous Goods) (02) 6207 6354.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Loubrey]

Cheers for that Karl! Most informative. We seem to be ok over here in the west with 80 liters of diesel in 4 jerries (properly restrained).

Queensland seem to be a bit of a problem because it broad brushes "fuel" and they want the containers "upright". The jerry rack have them laying on their backs with the filler pointing slightly upwards, but mostly back! Definitely something to consider on a long distance tour...

[Didge]

Litres :) we're not yanks just yet :)

[Loubrey]

Litres :) we're not yanks just yet :)

Caught out by the computer's auto spell check :eek: :)

[rijidij]

I'm working on a prototype dual carrier for Defenders right now which will accommodate either two wheels or one wheel and jerry cans, or any combination of those.
I've only just started on it, so it wont be available for a while. When it is, details will be posted in the Vendors section of the forum.

Cheers, Murray

[juddy]

I will update the carrier details tomorrow.

One thing I find strange with the law on carrying fuel, are the army exempt ? The land rovers seem to have them at the rear

[isuzutoo-eh]

I will update the carrier details tomorrow.

One thing I find strange with the law on carrying fuel, are the army exempt ? The land rovers seem to have them at the rear

They carry diesel and water on the back not petrol, so they are okay in most states. And yeah, the Army get away with things...

[KarlB]

It is my understanding that The Australian Defence Force (ADF) currently operates with a range of exemptions from state and territory road transport legislation concerning vehicles, road rules and licensing. They operate under the Defence Force Road Transport Exemption Framework. I think the following is the latest version: http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/DefenceRoadTsptExempFramwkDec05.pdf

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[gavinwibrow]

I'm working on a prototype dual carrier for Defenders right now which will accommodate either two wheels or one wheel and jerry cans, or any combination of those.
I've only just started on it, so it wont be available for a while. When it is, details will be posted in the Vendors section of the forum.

Cheers, Murray


I have scored one for my D2 which is removeable/on slides and sits rearward of my existing and retained standard LR bumper. Creates more weight over the rear, but also allows for more options - currently 1 spare and a couple of jerrycan holders, plus another smaller receptacle, but can be converted to 2 spares or whatever. PM me if you'd like pics - pics too big to post and I don't know how to reduce them from 900KB to about 100KB in word format. Cheers Gavin

[greenhornet]

Hi Rijidij
Will the duel carrier work in combination with your current rear wheel carrier or will it be a be a new design?

[rijidij]

Hi Rijidij
Will the duel carrier work in combination with your current rear wheel carrier or will it be a be a new design?

It will have to be a new design as the pivot points of the two carriers have to be a lot closer to the ends of the cross member to accommodate the width of two tyres.
I'm hoping it will work out that the right hand carrier can still open automatically with the door as per the current design, and the left hand carrier will have a latch mechanism. This way, if the left hand carrier is removed when not needed, the right hand carrier will work like the current design for normal day to day use. The left hand carrier could be put on for trips.
That's my initial thoughts anyway.

Cheers, Murray

[Snake2093]

Hi there,

I think you will find that carry of diesel on the rear is allowed due to the fact in an accident it is less likey that it will explode on impact. As petrol is the opposite.
I think even the guys from 4wd action mag have siad the same in the mag.

[discojools]

Look forward to it Murray.

[grover7488]

keep up the good work Murray. We know it will be great quality and over engineered :p


If you need a donor vehicle :D

[jimb]

http://www.kaymar.com.au/accessories/carrier%20all%20accessories.php

There is a company kaymar that sells what your looking for. Not cheap though, especially since you only 'need' the Jerry can holder.

Have people found the rear wheel door mount gives way early?


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[Didge]

Caught out by the computer's auto spell check :eek: :)
Sorry Loubrey - I'm a tafe teacher - couldn't help it :( yeah, it's a bugger, just like the ones on the phones. There are plenty of screen captures floating around with iphone spelling corrections - quite humourous some of them
cheers Gerald

[rijidij]

Have people found the rear wheel door mount gives way early?


It's quite common, unfortunately, for the inner frame of the rear door on Defender's to develop cracks from the weight of the spare wheel. Some things just aren't built to handle Australian road conditions. Anyone who's driven on outback corrugations will have first hand experience of this.
The addition of a stronger rear bar or wheel carrier also allows for fitment of extra accessories.

Cheers, Murray

[carlschmid2002]

I had the pleasure of visiting Murray at Rijidij yesterday and had a good look at the prototype for the spare wheel/Jerry carrier and it looks great. I can't wait until they are ready as I will be getting one for sure.

[rijidij]

I had the pleasure of visiting Murray at Rijidij yesterday and had a good look at the prototype for the spare wheel/Jerry carrier and it looks great. I can't wait until they are ready as I will be getting one for sure.

Thanks Carl. It's always a pleasure to meet forum members face to face for a change.
When you left, my wife said she really liked your 90 (I think it's pretty cool too) but I don't think we'll see her in one for some time unfortunately :(

Cheers, Murray