9,500lbs Rough Rider winch D4. Advisable?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi people

Over christmas I purchased a 9,500lbs Rough Rider winch, from supercheap and am considering fitting it to a D4.

Yes it's Chinese and was real cheap, but 9,500 lbs equals 4.3 Tonne line pull.

Would you fit it?

[howieh]

I did Buy one and fitted it to a 1999 Discovery. As they say change the grease, (which I did).
Very happy with it.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks originally thought about fitting it to the 6X6 defender, but that is likely to go over a GVM of 4.3 Tonne, so a bit under-rated for the task.

This D4 option has only come up this week, (yesterday in fact :) :) :) :) :) :) ).

Will still need to buy a winch bar first.

[101RRS]

Hi Diana - would probably be OK but given the weight of a D4 realistically about 2.7t with fuel and a little bit of gear let alone what a loaded up D4 would weigh bogged down to its chassis I personally would go to a 12,000Ib - however as you already have the winch I would try it but be aware it might be a bit light on in some circumstances.

Just my thoughts.

Garry

[Larry]

Hi Diana - would probably be OK but given the weight of a D4 realistically about 2.7t with fuel and a little bit of gear let alone what a loaded up D4 would weigh bogged down to its chassis I personally would go to a 12,000Ib - however as you already have the winch I would try it but be aware it might be a bit light on in some circumstances.

Just my thoughts.

Garry

9,500 lbs winch using a snatch block = 19,000 lbs. I doubt many D4s are that heavy!:angel:

[101RRS]

9,500 lbs winch using a snatch block = 19,000 lbs. I doubt many D4s are that heavy!:angel:

Good point.

Depending on the number of turns on the drum 9,500ibs is the best it can manage - in use actual pull will be less. Also with 28m of rope/wire on the drum in some circumstances a snatch block may not be able to be used - yes I appreciate a winch extension strap can be used. Why not use two snatch blocks then a 6000lb winch could be used. Without an extension strap looking at a max of 14m pull.

By way of example on my last winch in anger (in my 101) I had to use a single pull, 54m of cable plus 20m of winch extension cable. So there are circumstances where a double pull may not be possible.

But as I said in my other post - fit the 9,500 and be aware of the limitations - and I agree that would be using a double pull wherever you can.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Diana - would probably be OK but given the weight of a D4 realistically about 2.7t with fuel and a ...little bit of gear let alone what a loaded up D4 would weigh bogged down to its chassis I personally would go to a 12,000Ib - however as you already have the winch I would try it but be aware it might be a bit light on in some circumstances.

Just my thoughts.

GarryHi Garry

Those were my thoughts exactly, I rarely use the winch on the front of my classic and this winch was an impulse buy as I was in the store. At $300 you couldn't walk past it could you?

The winch has a rating of the D4 + 50% so there is a little margin and I have a sheave block in the classic so one for the D4's very sensible.

The bar and dual battery system will be the big expenses.

(All this fancy stuff on the D4 is hard to cope with!)

Diana

[101RRS]

Are you actually wanting a bar?? A winch can be fitted without one with the genuine fitting kit - was an option for the D3 not sure about the D4.

I assume you have read all the posts about the cheap winches - I guess the key is to pull it apart - put decent grease in it, tighten all the nuts and bolts (locktight or something similar) and to replace any "mild steel" bolts where clearly high tensile should have been used.

Edit - just checked the Landrover Aust website - winch is an option - is 9500lb so your 9500ib should be OK - the mounting kit should be able to be sourced from all the usual suspects in Aust for a fortune or only half a fortune from O/S.

Garry

[unseenone]

If you want a good solution, I would seriously consider the D44 discrete winch mount. It will leave your look intact, and strengthen your winching abilities over a lot of winch trays.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If you want a good solution, I would seriously consider the D44 discrete winch mount. It will leave your look intact, and strengthen your winching abilities over a lot of winch trays.Tell me more?

Who makes it?

Where do you get it?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/03/451.jpg

Diana

[TerryO]

I can see where keeping the standard front bar with a winch fitted makes sense in the UK where much of the off roading is done in boggy green lanes.

But here if you need a winch to get you out of a situation then chances are you also need every bit of ground clearance you can get. Ripping your front standard plastic bar off as you drag it through rocks and mud might end up being false economy.

cheers,
Terry

[unseenone]

All due respect TerryO -- you need the right bit of kit suitable for your purposes. That being said, it is nice to be aware of all options.

ARB, is the leader... some folks complain of negative handling though.
ECB, seemed like a great alternative, while you give up some strength for weight savings. Unfortunately, when inquiring they didn't even have the courtesy to e-mail back and say we will not sell you one.
LR winch tray... very convenient, although quite ugly and sure to be a knee banger, and of course overpriced.
winch trays, hidden and otherwise do not appear to be sturdy. Made by small shops and sold all over the place.
Devon D44, I purchased in the US from Lucky8llc great guys. The kit is made in UK, and is a replacement inner bumper, which is well built, solid and suits my purposes. A link to the Devon page and I am attaching a picture of my install. Keep in mind, I have an old beat up bumper. All powered with a Traxide kit, with a discrete rear socket, which was an improvement on the suggested installation location (pictured).

D44 Discovery 3 Discreet Winch Mount Kit- 2.7 Tdv6 (http://www.devon4x4.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=37293&category_id=81&keyword=winch+discovery+3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=14)

[TerryO]

All due respect in return Unseenone and each to their own, but the standard front bars have pretty poor ground clearance and are very easy to damage, if you want to have standard plastic bumpers with a winch then that is your choice.

cheers,
Terry

[DiscoWeb]

Devon D44, I purchased in the US from Lucky8llc great guys. The kit is made in UK, and is a replacement inner bumper, which is well built, solid and suits my purposes. A link to the Devon page and I am attaching a picture of my install. Keep in mind, I have an old beat up bumper. All powered with a Traxide kit, with a discrete rear socket, which was an improvement on the suggested installation location (pictured).


I have seen a link to this kit before and it looks really interesting.

However at an advertised price of nearly 1,000 pounds I personally think I would go for the full winch bar as it in my opinion offered better value for money, gives you greater front end protection (animal strikes and or when off road) and it gives you mounting options for lights and aerials etc. Again only mt 2c worth.

The Devon kit would be great if you really did not want a front bar but still required a winch and it is discreet but.

In saying all that I have not dropped any hard earned on either option yet.

George

[NavyDiver]

All due respect TerryO -- you need the right bit of kit suitable for your purposes. That being said, it is nice to be aware of all options.

ARB, is the leader... some folks complain of negative handling though.
ECB, seemed like a great alternative, while you give up some strength for weight savings. Unfortunately, when inquiring they didn't even have the courtesy to e-mail back and say we will not sell you one.
LR winch tray... very convenient, although quite ugly and sure to be a knee banger, and of course overpriced.
winch trays, hidden and otherwise do not appear to be sturdy. Made by small shops and sold all over the place.
Devon D44, I purchased in the US from Lucky8llc great guys. The kit is made in UK, and is a replacement inner bumper, which is well built, solid and suits my purposes. A link to the Devon page and I am attaching a picture of my install. Keep in mind, I have an old beat up bumper. All powered with a Traxide kit, with a discrete rear socket, which was an improvement on the suggested installation location (pictured).

D44 Discovery 3 Discreet Winch Mount Kit- 2.7 Tdv6 (http://www.devon4x4.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=37293&category_id=81&keyword=winch+discovery+3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=14)

Each to your own use :angel:

If we drive to far away places and might need a winch then a steel BAR is almost certainly a great insurance policy for roo/animal strike to protect vital bit which keep us moving.
If we get bogged on the farm then maybe a bar is not needed for the winch. Horses for courses? Or camels, donkeys, deer, roos, cows, sheep or....:D Not that I want to or want you to ever hit any of these of course! My winch is very well used, bar has had several near misses:cool:
My cheap winch has worked well. I have a snatch block but yet to use it. I do not doubt that a good winch is worth it price. I have seen some reasons to think more expesive ones might have advantages so not insulting more expesive ones.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Have been doing the rounds this arvo (after taking dad to the hospital which was the reason for the purchase, but havent sorted out the ramp with the silly tailgate design company).

My obvservations: The ARB D4 bar doesn't have the upper antennae mounts, but has holes on the main bar meaning that the propagation is affected.
The Land Rover winch tray is plastic and not ideal.
The Oposite Lock bar has 3 antennae mounts on the top pipework giving a reasonable ground plane. (with or without ground plane independent antennae) It is also about $200 cheaper fitted by the franchise.Also heard from 3 sources (Dealer and specialist repaired + OL) that the the ARB doesn't fit correctly. Anyone else found this?

None of the bars seem to have recovery points. What do people use for front recovery points, or to anchor the winch cable when using a sheave block?

Was also told that a second battery system can't use a normal isolator but needs a 12V to 12V transformer which only charges at 20amps. 20 amps won't keep up with the winch current.

Which batt do people use for their winch on a D4?

[101RRS]

None of the bars seem to have recovery points. What do people use for front recovery points?



Like the rear has a rated recovery/tow point on the rear X member (behind the plastic cover, the front also has a rated recovery/tow point on the front X member (behind the plastic cover on a non bar fitted vehicle).

Garry

[TerryO]

Each to your own use :angel:

If we drive to far away places and might need a winch then a steel BAR is almost certainly a great insurance policy for roo/animal strike to protect vital bit which keep us moving.
If we get bogged on the farm then maybe a bar is not needed for the winch. Horses for courses? Or camels, donkeys, deer, roos, cows, sheep or....:D .


We are on a farm, as of yesterday a 1/4 of it is under flood water. Can't say we ever drive round the property when its been raining much, let alone flooding, as all you tend to do is wreck the tracks and make mud holes everywhere.

Plus there are no Toyota's on the property to rescue. ...;)

cheers,
Terry

[SBD4]

...Also heard from 3 sources (Dealer and specialist repaired + OL) that the the ARB doesn't fit correctly. Anyone else found this?

None of the bars seem to have recovery points. What do people use for front recovery points, or to anchor the winch cable when using a sheave block?

Diana, have you come across this thread by robocop? He has posted some picks of ARB bar during fitting showing the issues he encountered.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/143976-d4-arb-delux-bar.html

The front recovery point is below the front bumper, in the middle and recessed back on the front cross member. If you bend down it is easily visible.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Diana, have you come across this thread by robocop? He has posted some picks of ARB bar during fitting showing the issues he encountered. ...Wow!

From the current ARB catalogue "ARB's bars are superbly engineered and manufactured not only to maintain maximum functionality, but also to ensure they complement the look of the vehicle." I guess ARB has lost some of it's quality control of late.

Addit: Forgot to mention that all TJM Carlton wanted to tell me was that I'd have to get suspension modifications if I wanted to fit a rear bar. Thanks guys, I'll go elsewhere....