decat pipe puma

[cess]

Hi has anyone in tasmania know the laws on putting a decat pipe on a puma and the chances of getting caught cheers tim;)

[Drover]

Hi has anyone in tasmania know the laws on putting a decat pipe on a puma and the chances of getting caught cheers tim;)


The laws would be roughly the same as every other state - a decat pipe would be a defect notice and likely a fine to go with it.

Chances of getting caught - slim to nil....

[seano87]

The laws would be roughly the same as every other state - a decat pipe would be a defect notice and likely a fine to go with it.

Chances of getting caught - slim to nil....


I thought the fine was also in the range of about $10,000. Replace it with a high performance cat instead if it really annoys you that much?

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[Drover]

I thought the fine was also in the range of about $10,000. Replace it with a high performance cat instead if it really annoys you that much?

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$10k might be a maximum penalty as set down by the legislation, the penalty notice amount be would be significantly lower, likely a few hundred.

[Loubrey]

Considering the cost and risk, wouldn't there be a lot of merit in the Alive Tuning "Atric" (or similar!) arrangement that purely programs the cat's valve out of the sequence?

You end up with a new fuel map (able to return to your original with no difficulty for services), the cat is out of the picture as the valve stays shut and the is no way of being caught unless they do roadside gas analysis. Do they do those in Australia?

[austastar]

Hi,
My Puma has a cat?


cheers

[pannawonica]

The Atric device give the ability to replace fuel files standard to modified and back, at will. Mod files can give the EGR valve an operating stratagy of zero. This stops the exhaust gases from being fed back in to the engine, however it does not have any effect on the CAT it is still in place.:D

[austastar]

Hi, thanks for that.

None of it made any sense, but a few key words and a bit of Googling and found an instruction pdf (http://www.td5alive.com/docs/ATRIC_Manual.pdf)which puts a whole new light on the subject, and I even found where to find my cat. (http://www.cartuningtips.com/94-sports-cats-vs-de-cat-pipe)

cheers

It's all new stuff to me.

[KarlB]

Excuse my ignorance of things mechanical but why would you bother? What is to be gained and what do you lose?

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Loubrey]

My bad... :blush: EGR valve and CAT operation clearly nothing to do with each other...

[isuzurover]

VIC

Environment Protection (Vehicle Emissions) Regulations 2003
- SECT 21
Penalty for interfering with emission control device


<pre>
21. Penalty for interfering with emission control device

A person must not, without just cause-

(a) remove or render ineffective any emission control device or emission control equipment which has been installed on or in any motor vehicle by the manufacturer of that vehicle; or

(b) interfere with any emission control device or emission control equipment or any component of the engine or exhaust system or fuel system designed by the manufacturer to control emissions so as to render it less effective.

Penalty: 20 penalty units.



</pre>


Environment Protection (Vehicle Emissions) Regulations 2003
- SECT 22
Penalty for interfering with noise reducing equipment


<pre>
22. Penalty for interfering with noise reducing equipment


(1) In this regulation, noise reducing equipment means any absorbing material, shielding panel, device or other equipment of any kind whatever for the purpose of reducing the emission of noise from a motor vehicle.

Note
This includes, but is not restricted to, the exhaust manifold, the exhaust piping, the expansion chamber and the silencer proper.

(2) A person who installs, removes, replaces or repairs noise reducing equipment on a motor vehicle must ensure that the vehicle meets the requirements of regulation 10 when the installation, removal, replacement or repair is complete.

(3) For the purposes of subregulation (2), a person who installs, removes, replaces or repairs noise reducing equipment on behalf of another person is deemed to complete the installation, removal, replacement or repair on physically transferring the motor vehicle to the person on whose behalf the work was done.

Penalty: 20 penalty units.

1 Penalty unit is currently ~$122. So ~$2440 fine, or double that if they deem the parts you have removed to also be "noise reducing equipment".


NSW


16 Motor vehicles emitting excessive air impurities

An owner of a motor vehicle is guilty of an offence if the vehicle emits excessive air impurities while being used.

Maximum penalty: 400 penalty units in the case of a corporation, or 200 penalty units in the case of an individual.

A penalty unit in NSW is currently $110, So (up to) a whopping $44000 if your vehicle is registered to your business.
http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/esdsmoky/legis.htm

QLD
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/T/TrantOpRUVSSR10.pdf
It appears to come under defective vehicle legislation, which seems to be a maximum of 20 to 40 penalty units. Penalty unit is currently $100, so $2000-$4000.

[Drover]

I believe this is the victorian legislation:



1 Penalty unit is currently ~$122. So ~$2440 fine, or double that if they deem the parts you have removed to also be "noise reducing equipment".


So if max penalty is $2440, the penalty notice would only be $150ish

[isuzurover]

So if max penalty is $2440, the penalty notice would only be $150ish

No - in VIC the penalty appears to be a prescribed amount, not a maximum amount - like a speeding fine - they are fixed amounts for a certain km over the limit.

See my addendum for NSW.

[Drover]

No - in VIC the penalty appears to be a prescribed amount, not a maximum amount - like a speeding fine - they are fixed amounts for a certain km over the limit.

See my addendum for NSW.

20 penalty units is the maximum penaltly available to the courts, it is NOT the amount of the penalty notice.

The penalty notice amount appears to be $524. (Penalty notice amounts obtained from the "Fixed Penalty hand Book" not the legislation)

Cheers

[isuzurover]

20 penalty units is the maximum penaltly available to the courts, it is NOT the amount of the penalty notice.

The penalty notice amount appears to be $524. (Penalty notice amounts obtained from the "Fixed Penalty hand Book" not the legislation)

Cheers

20 penalty units is VIC - the handbook you refer to is a NSW document????

[Drover]

20 penalty units is VIC - the handbook you refer to is a NSW document????


No sorry - the amount of $524 is the Vic penalty for interfering with emission control device, from there penalty notice hand book.

20 penalty units is the maximum penalty set by the Act and Regulation there under.

Act/Regs do not quote penalty notice amounts.

[KarlB]

From all the penalty discussion, it is clear you could loose significant money for interfering with the decat functioning. But what do you gain and is it worth it?

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Drover]

The catalytic converter restricts exhaust flow from right under the turbo, this increase the time it takes the turbo to spool up. So longer to get the boost !
When I removed mine the difference was immediate and very noticeable. Much smoother power delivery and more responsive from idle.
Worth it – hell yeah ;)

[Allan]

The catalytic converter restricts exhaust flow from right under the turbo, this increase the time it takes the turbo to spool up. So longer to get the boost !
When I removed mine the difference was immediate and very noticeable. Much smoother power delivery and more responsive from idle.
Worth it – hell yeah ;)

Hi Drover,
Have you done the centre pipe as yet. I am more than pleased with the changes both pipes have made to performance and economy. The banker says no to the tune until the Puma eats another EGR so I have to be patient.

Allan

[Drover]

Hi Allan,

Yeah did centre pipe when I replaced the Decat.

I like it, not much louder than stock, has made improvements to economy and performance.

Thanks for the tip, it was a worth while mod.

Cheers