Rotating tyres

[Ean Austral]

Gday All,

Just wondering if anyone does rotate their tyres and how often.

I done mine recently ( tyres done 10,000ks since fitting ) and then noticed a viabration in the steering wheel, put the car in for a wheel alignment and viabration fixed, but wonder if any others have experienced this.

Tyres are a new set of the original goodyears.

Cheers Ean

[Reads90]

I used to but found that the fronts wear a lot faster than the rears so don't now just replace the front when needed and the rear when need rather than a set of four tyres in one hit

[Recy Mech]

Yeah, I rotate....roughly 10,000 K's. As Reads stated the fronts do wear quicker than rears, and I prefer to keep the 'wear' sorta uniform. Supposed to give longer wear....not too sure, maybe a motoring myth from a bygone era.

[disco 3 door]

In what sequense were the tyres rotated. ie crossed over just straight fronts to rear.

[scarry]

I have found just front to rear rotate is hopeless.
I always cross rears over,left to right,then front to rear,with all four road wheels.This way every wheel will eventually end up in a different spot on the vehicle.Obviously this can't be done if tyres are directional.
I do this every 10K

[Landie333]

They say that with steel belted tyres, when they have been used on an axle in one direction, the belts get a 'directional groove' so to speak and can develop a vibration. But as far as i'm aware, it's only relevant for high speed operations... I only ever 'rotate tyres front to back. That's on cars though.

[Recy Mech]

They say that with steel belted tyres, when they have been used on an axle in one direction, the belts get a 'directional groove' so to speak and can develop a vibration. But as far as i'm aware, it's only relevant for high speed operations... I only ever 'rotate tyres front to back. That's on cars though.

That was the case, now I believe that all tyres now aren't steel belted. It's all cross-ply 'space age' kinda materials so you can cross over tyres left to right. For what its worth I just keep it front and back.

[goingbush]

I just go to the tyre dealers and get them balanced and rotated every 10,000 inc the spare.

[Ean Austral]

In what sequense were the tyres rotated. ie crossed over just straight fronts to rear.

Spare on drivers rear,
D/rear to D/front
D/front to P/ rear
P/rear to P/front
P/Front now spare..

Was told about 20 years ago this was correct way, and have always done this method, but the D3 is the first car I have had with air suspension, so wondered if by some chance I upset the alignment when I raised each corner of the car.. 80,000ks guess it could just have been time for an alignment.

Cheers Ean

[Glynhouse]

No point in not including the spare in a rotation, my last vehicle I did a 4 tyre rotation, when I put the 3rd set on, first rotation I decided the spare could do with a run, 5.5 years and never been on the road, guess which tyre had a tread separation 1500klms later ?
I believe that it is recomened not to run a tyre more than 6 years old wether it has been on the ground or not ! Certainly my D3 owners manual recommends not to have a tyre on after this period.
I am at present arguing with the dealer that issued the roadworthy for the D3 I have just bought, they sold it new and have done all the work, bought with 4 new tyres on the road, guess how old the spare is ? 6.5 years on the tyre date. The original unused spare !
I am claiming it should have been un-roadworthy as the LR manual suggests the tyre is out of date and should not be used.

Not holding my breath.

DD

[connock]

I just rotate clockwise ie Spare to LHB, LHB to LHF, LHF to RHF etc works for me and dont have to think to much when ready, just anti or clock wise , make the decision and stick to it.

connock

[discojools]

I rotate a couple of weeks before each 12000k service/healthecheck. I go anticlockwise no reason for this clockwies or anticlockwise it doesn't matter. I do before the service so that if the steering wheel is misaligned or the the car drifts one way or the other I can get an alignment done when serviced. Have only needed one alignment thru 3 rotations. 5 tyres are evenly worn now or just about. However mechanic who did the alignment said best to rotate diagonally but I had already started.
Now just about worn out OEM Goodyears wondering what to put on next. As I have a set of 17" BFG KM2 for bush really want a good road tyre other than the originals.

[disco 3 door]

As said earlier, with diagonal rotations it can cause ply seperations. This is also the reason you never see Recaps on the steer of trucks & rarely see them on hwy. trucks anymore as the belts are an unknown quantity. The only Tyres that can be rotated diagonally are cross ply's, Radial tyres cannot.

[Redback]

No point in not including the spare in a rotation, my last vehicle I did a 4 tyre rotation, when I put the 3rd set on, first rotation I decided the spare could do with a run, 5.5 years and never been on the road, guess which tyre had a tread separation 1500klms later ?
I believe that it is recomened not to run a tyre more than 6 years old wether it has been on the ground or not ! Certainly my D3 owners manual recommends not to have a tyre on after this period.
I am at present arguing with the dealer that issued the roadworthy for the D3 I have just bought, they sold it new and have done all the work, bought with 4 new tyres on the road, guess how old the spare is ? 6.5 years on the tyre date. The original unused spare !
I am claiming it should have been un-roadworthy as the LR manual suggests the tyre is out of date and should not be used.

Not holding my breath.

DD

As above

Spare must be put into the rotation in any constant 4WD vehicle, we have 2 spares, these are incorperated into the rotation.

Baz.

[Landie333]

That was the case, now I believe that all tyres now aren't steel belted. It's all cross-ply 'space age' kinda materials so you can cross over tyres left to right. For what its worth I just keep it front and back.

I'm not sure about the whole tyre market, But I am certain Bridgestone still run steel belts. Continentals, I think, don't run steel belts....

Realisitcally, In my oppinion (whatever it is worth) If you check your tyre pressures cold once a week and have wheel alignments every designated distance (whatever you feel comfortable with) rotating the tyres becomes redundant.

Again, in my oppinion, rotating tyres just means that when you are up for new tyres, you'll be doing all four at a later date. Instead of the fronts earlier in comparison. Depending on the suspension design of the rear axle and many other variables.

[isuzurover]

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Realisitcally, In my oppinion (whatever it is worth) If you check your tyre pressures cold once a week and have wheel alignments every designated distance (whatever you feel comfortable with) rotating the tyres becomes redundant.

Again, in my oppinion, rotating tyres just means that when you are up for new tyres, you'll be doing all four at a later date. Instead of the fronts earlier in comparison. Depending on the suspension design of the rear axle and many other variables.

I don't know about the new D3/D4/RRs, however for any Landrover with an LT230, replacing the tyres one axle at a time will cause excessive wear to the centre diff.

[Landie333]

I don't know about the new D3/D4/RRs, however for any Landrover with an LT230, replacing the tyres one axle at a time will cause excessive wear to the centre diff.

You learn something new every day. I wasn't aware of that (but Land Rovers are new to me) It makes sense now I think about it....

[Tusker]

You learn something new every day. I wasn't aware of that (but Land Rovers are new to me) It makes sense now I think about it....

The owners manual specifies that tyres should be within so-many mm of each other, for just this reason.

Regards
Max P

[isuzurover]

You learn something new every day. I wasn't aware of that (but Land Rovers are new to me) It makes sense now I think about it....

The same applies in general to any constant 4x4 vehicle. Tyres should be rotated regularly and replaced as a set.

As for swapping radials side-side (as was mentioned earlier), I have always done it, and never had a tyre fail as a result.

[Mike&Loz]

Rotate every 10,000 including spare/s. Nice even wear on all tyres and never had a tread separation. That's not to say it doesn't happen just that I haven't experienced it.

5 tyre rotation - Spare to Rear Left to Front Left to Rear Right to Front Right to Spare

6 tyre rotation - Spares to same side Front crossover to Rear to same side Spare

DON'T crossover or change sides if the tyres are directional.

[trif]

Spare on drivers rear,
D/rear to D/front
D/front to P/ rear
P/rear to P/front
P/Front now spare..

Cheers Ean

x 2.

I've got the GG AT in 19 inch. I rotate them every 5000kms which is probably excessive but they are wearing very evenly. No change in steering dynamics.

Regards Trif