Price of LPG...what the!!???

[scarry]

Anyone noticed the LPG prices lately?
Six weeks ago it was easy to get it at around 58c/l
Then it jumped to 79.9c/l around 2weeks ago,couple of independents had it for 76.
Today it is sitting at 91c/l WTF?
Mainly Caltex/Woolworths around our area,not much else around.....

Suppose they are doing the usual,testing the market to see what people will do.

[V8Ian]

Seen the prices of motor spirits and disilate? :mad:

[scarry]

Seen the prices of motor spirits and disilate? :mad:

Not really,but i am sure they haven't gone up 30 to 40 % or whatever,as has LPG.

[V8Ian]

ULP is hovering round 150cpl on the Northside.

[Homestar]

LPG does seem to have risen more (percentage wise) than petrol recently. We were having a chat about this the other day - Petrol goes up and down like a yo yo, Diesel seems to sit fairly steady, and rise steadily as the average price of petrol rises, and for some reason, LPG seems to have gone through the roof lately - don't know why, but it must be making it hard for people that do LPG conversions I would think:(

Currently prices around here are about $1.34 for ULP, $1.44 for Diesel and $0.72 for LPG.

[DeeJay]

The wholesale price went up 8.7 cpl March 1.
I just took 110 litres @ 72 cpl less the Woolies discount.
Wont see that again this month :mad:

[DeeJay]

LPG does seem to have risen more (percentage wise) than petrol recently. We were having a chat about this the other day - Petrol goes up and down like a yo yo, Diesel seems to sit fairly steady, and rise steadily as the average price of petrol rises, and for some reason, LPG seems to have gone through the roof lately - don't know why, but it must be making it hard for people that do LPG conversions I would think:(


The people who do LPG conversions are more concerned by the price difference. Its all a case of how you look at it. I'm in the LPG industry & it ( the LPG scene) gets bad PR, its hard to follow some of the logic. I was speaking to a guy who was saying "thank god I just got rid of my dedicated gas Falcon" as the price has spiked. He then went on to say how it didn't get near the mileage & had to fill it twice a week & the new car only gets filled once a week. He was the type that kept detailed data so I asked what was his weekly fuel bill? -$120.00 on gas, so I asked what is it now? - $185.00. Even with the LPG price spike he would still be well ahead..

[alexturner]

Has anyone noticed the price of COOKING OIL lately!?

[scarry]

The wholesale price went up 8.7 cpl March 1.
I just took 110 litres @ 72 cpl less the Woolies discount.
Wont see that again this month :mad:

OK,now when i went to school,when you added 58 to say 9,it didn't add up to anything like 79,yet alone 91!:mad:

As i have said,they seem to up it to test the market,& Caltex always seem to do it first,around here.

They can't push it up much higher,as once it gets anywhere near $1.00cpl,for most people,it won't be worth using.

This increase will also be a good reason for cabby's to put up their prices.

[grover7488]

like Deejay says it is the 'difference' between ULP and LPG that makes all the difference. If you get what i mean.

LPG needs to stay a certain % under ULP to make it attractive. But at the moment LPG has gone up nearly 40% overnight whereas ULP has gone up maybe 8% (making the payback period ie number of km needed to recoup instalation cost just go up to)

I thought that they used to keep LPG around 35% of the ULP price.

[Barney2803]

When I did a LPG conversion on my VY commodore in 05, we got lpg for UNDER 30c/l......now it's 90c! That's just plain stupid! It just makes the governments comments about encouraging efficient/green fuels absolutely stupid. We were thinking of getting a VZ wagon to tow the boat with, and put it on lpg,but not now!

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[Pam W]

Not just a phenomena down under chaps!

Our LPG prices have pretty much done the same - going up proportionately far more than petrol or diesel.

Also the price variance between supermarket prices and local forecourts means you start having to detour a few miles each fill up to get a better deal... before the difference was only a 2 or 3 pence, now it can be 8 - 12 pence!

Current prices at an average forecourt in the UK are (just to make you all feel slightly better!!) - ULP £1.38 (AUD$2.05), Diesel £1.45 (AUD$2.12) and LPG £0.78 (AUD$1.15)

So anyway, after 20 years of running a Land Rover V8 as a daily drive, 15 years of which were on LPG, I finally switched to diesel and stuck a Td5 in my Defender.

TBH, not regretting it one bit. No more hunting around for the best LPG prices, just fill up at somewhere average that is convenient. Saving about £10 per week as the fuel consumption is more than double (12 miles a gallon on LPG, 27 on diesel). The Td5 has loads of torque and gets off the line quicker than my old 3.9 V8, bit slow at top end speeds, but for my commute runs thats fine. Sounds OK, but I do miss the V8 burble!

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

Here we go again, just like the auto parts we are getting ripped off, so are you all going to buy from the UK. OH UK prices are dearer!
It was publicised many years ago that LPG will rise steadily as the tarrifs would change.
We live in the best county in the world, we have high wages, we have some higher living standards, all in all it's a few silvers extra a tank. Why the hysteria?

[wagoo]

Here we go again,
We live in the best county in the world, we have high wages, we have some higher living standards, all in all it's a few silvers extra a tank. Why the hysteria?
That is all very true if you have a secure well paid job, which many don't and won't in the near future once JoolLiars carbon tax is implemented.
Best country in the World? Certainly, but it's a shame not too many of us can afford the fuel to actually get out there and see it for ourselves.
Bill.

[d@rk51d3]

Best country in the World? Certainly, but it's a shame not too many of us can afford the fuel to actually get out there and see it for ourselves.
Bill.

Don't worry. If the Greens have their way, we won't be allowed to anyway. :nazilock:

[UncleHo]

G'day scarry :)

Jumped to 79.9 a couple of weeks ago? our Rangie is gassed and we have been paying that on Brisbane's northside (BP)for about 2 months now, as I have been keeping a close eye on it.

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

That is all very true if you have a secure well paid job, which many don't and won't in the near future once JoolLiars carbon tax is implemented.
Best country in the World? Certainly, but it's a shame not too many of us can afford the fuel to actually get out there and see it for ourselves.
Bill.
What you say is right, but we choose to drive fuel guzzling vehicles, so it is an added expense.
I by no means have a secure well paid job.I just had to bring it up as, if I had posted it first then inc would have a dig and say I was complaining again..
rules for some, rules for others

[V8Ian]

The unemployed, pensioners and low income earners cannot afford nice new fuel efficient cars, so are stuck with "gas guzzlers" or shanks pony.

[superquag]

The unemployed, pensioners and low income earners cannot afford nice new fuel efficient cars, so are stuck with "gas guzzlers" or shanks pony.

They may vote...but they don't contribute $quillions to the political parties to keep them in power...

Look at the money trail... see who benefits and/or who gets it...

[UncleHo]

Aah! spoke up a day too soon :( 89.9c ltre at BP on Bribie this afternoon

[scarry]

Aah! spoke up a day too soon :( 89.9c ltre at BP on Bribie this afternoon

Found it at 78.9 here today:)

We have a system with the spare work van,where there is $50 in the ash tray all the time,to use for fuel.The apprentice went somewhere today & had to fill up.His comment was it used to cost around $35 max to fill up,today it cost $49.I looked at the docket,91.9cpl:mad:

[DT-P38]

The retailers must love us using nice terms like "testing new highs". Bugger me, it's just bloody gouging. There should be re-regulation of fuel as it is an essential expense

[Richard93Vogue]

I am in a constant state of disbelief....

About 3 months ago LPG at the United servo near me was 66.9c/litre
last week it was 79.9c/l and today it is 89.9c/l..........what the hell is going on? That's a huge jump. I filled up yesterday arvo at 79.9 and today it is a full 10c higher in one day!:eek::mad::mad::mad::confused:

I had to have a rant somewhere, so thanks for listening....I feel better now...:)

[POD]

Filled up the rangie with LPG today, didn't take much notice of the price initially until I noticed that the Litres figure and the Dollars figure were both in the 60s. Price was 87.7 cents per litre. I think it was only as far back as early January that I was paying around 40cents per litre.
My daughter has just acquired her grandmother's old VS commodore and we were planning on getting it put on LPG for her. Really wondering whether it is worth it now. There was quite a fuss in the media a few eeeks back when it jumped to 65 cents, now here's another 22 cents per litre, 30+ percent increase.

[George130]

Been seeing 80 to 88 cents for a while now when not in the city.

[George130]

Should ask if we can get it for the same price we sell overseas for. Wuold be laughing then.

[DT-P38]

It's the retailers to blame. They will take as much money as they can gouge out of our wallets. There used to be a reflection of cost and profit margin in retail sales prices... since de-regulation it's rip as much from the community as you can.

The sale of anything essential to life in the community needs re-regulating. No matter what big business and the pollies keep saying, this all out pursuit of profits is going to lead to revolt at some point.

[scarry]

G'day scarry :)

Jumped to 79.9 a couple of weeks ago? our Rangie is gassed and we have been paying that on Brisbane's northside (BP)for about 2 months now, as I have been keeping a close eye on it.

I was in the office today doing paperwork:(,and found a docket for 28th Feb 2012,LPG 58.5cpl.

Best i could find it today was 79.9cpl,most were at 89.9:mad:

If you recon this is a rip,wait until you see how we go with the carbon levy(tax).They recon it's really a levy,not a tax:mad::mad:GST is payable on a levy

[Disco_owner]

my last fill up was 79.9 cpl with the BP card and 2c off 77.9 previous fill up was 58.9 cpl , I suspect the prices will climb and will stay there,same as what has happended to ULP.:(

[V8Ian]

You should hear the Mexicans squeal in Normanton, where LPG is on par with ULP which I would estimate at 170-180 cpl today.

[bob10]

Courier Mail, Wed. 7 March, 2012. Article relating to taxi industry. In part;
"In just 5 weeks, LPG has jumped in price from 58.9 a litre to 91.9 at some service stations." "Niki Kormendy from peak motoring body RACQ,yesterday blamed the price hike on 'tensions between Iran, the European union, and the United States'. She said heavy demand during the extended cold snap in Europe had also driven up the cost of LPG, which was now 25c a litre higher than at the start of the year.' We expect the average price of LPG to escalate to at least 85c a litre by Friday, setting a new record for LPG prices.' Ms Kormendy said.

We have plenty of LPG, in this country, is this another example of sell it overseas, @ they sell it back to us at a higher price. People can talk up the mining industry as much as they like, I don't see much to be confident about our Country's future, sorry to say. When it's all over , are we going to be saying " where did all our jobs go?. " unsettling stuff, Bob

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[pfillery]

Surely tha ACCC or someone should be able to take action - the price of gas should not be linked to the petrol prices, so why the high prices?

[stuee]

A lot of LPG for automotive use is a a by-product from the normal petroleum refining process. If the price of oil spikes so does LPG.

[wagoo]

Now, where did I put those plans I downloaded a few years ago on how to build a wood gas producer?
Bill.

[djam1]

Local servo has LPG for $1.04
Hardly worth the effort

[bee utey]

Local servo has LPG for $1.04
Hardly worth the effort

Sure, but how much is petrol? LPG price plus 25% to 30% gives the equivalent price for petrol, around $1.30 -$1.40. People put on all sorts of evil devices that claim to save 10%-20% of running costs...

[djam1]

Well its now up to $1.14 petrol is $1.59

[bee utey]

Well its now up to $1.14 petrol is $1.59

OW!

[frantic]

Dont look to the ACCC they are a skinned rug on the floor of the oil companies hq!:mad:
About 2 years ago we sent them a letter with pics of the price gouging by a caltex servo in albion park along with the bp(who was only 10c higher than the locals in dapto and shellharbour) who during the christmas school hols had a 20c/litre excess to the 7-11 over the hill opposite the shellharbour workers club. They did this for years as Tourists from sydney heading down the southern caravan parks would drive down the coast and decide to top up at the first garage in 80-100k's.
Their response was basically tough luck and go elsewhere, which is alright for me as Im local but basically saying stuff every other holidaymaker who is not familiar with the area.:mad:

[SPROVER]

Last week i was driving through Braeside and gas was 69.9c at a Caltex servo which had the 4c dockets.The other Caltex in Cheltenham was 89.9c and on the same day.This one didnt have the 4c dockets.And Shell was 79.9c all on the same day.How does that work?????? :mad::mad:

[dirtdawg]

at 80cpl i might as well drive on petrol cause for what it costs me to fill the gas tank and the 200-250 kms i get out of it i do the same when petrol it at 1.40pl

[bussy1963]

Average price around Melbourne i can get is 80 cpl.

Best price i have found near home is 78.9 cpl. Moreland Road Brunswick

BP on Patterson Road Bentleigh wins the price for over pricing at the weekend included today they were advertising LPG for 87.9 cpl.

[Dougal]

We've been paying $1.20 a litre for years, currently spiked to over 1.50 per litre.

Needless to say, not many here use it. It's just BBQ's and forklifts.

[Bungalbill]

Sydney prices for LPG are in the mid 80s, cents per litre, during the last week. Before that it was mid 70s. I can't find an explanation for this.

[bee utey]

Sydney prices for LPG are in the mid 80s, cents per litre, during the last week. Before that it was mid 70s. I can't find an explanation for this.

You could try Google, you know...:angel:


LPG Pricing

What are the main factors that determine the price we pay for LPG?

In January 1991, the Federal Government deregulated the wholesale price of LPG. As part of this process, Australian LPG prices move to reflect the fact that LPG is an internationally traded commodity, and thus influenced by international prices and factors such as the value of the Australian dollar. Therefore, Australian producers trade LPG at international prices (in US dollars).
The current international price used in the market is called the Saudi Aramco Contract Price (Saudi CP) and is expressed in US dollars per metric tonne. The Saudi CP is set on the propane and butane commodity prices, and published on the first business day of the month and remains fixed for the remainder of that month.


...from one result, RAA - Motoring - Fuel - LPG Price Breakdown (http://www.raa.com.au/page.aspx?TerID=1144)

[DasLandRoverMan]

Thourghly depressing reading.

At the moment local fuel prices work out thus:

LPG: 76ppl (1.15 aus)
Petrol: 1.429 ppl (2.16 aus)
Diesel: 1.469 ppl (2.22 aus)

Theres a guy a few miles away with diesel up at £1.529 ppl (2.31 aus) which is even more depressing.

[benji]

Many in the media are still saying 'but it's cheaper than in the UK', but we drive a lot further per year that people in the UK too. A 700km day trip isn't really that big of a deal here.

Unfortunately it's not the retailers, and the profit margin I can tell you is under 2cpl!

I wouldn't call a Rover v8 on LPG a fuel guzzler. 15l per 100km is quite respectable for any lpg vehicle. There are plenty of Tojos and Nissans getting that from a diesel!

As we import LPG, our prices of butane and propane are matched to the Saude oil prices which in the Feb / March month rose by 1.8% due to the conflict in the Persian Gulf and Japan wanting more. But somehow transpired into a 30-40% jump in board prices. Wholesalers, and importers!!! Toothless Government and ACCC!!!

We also export 3 times as much lpg as we import, so why the h%ll are we importing the stuff. If we were't importing it, it wouldn't be benchmarket to a meaningless price, and the beaurocrats could monitor the prices properly.

Sadly I'm begining to think Aust. isn't the luckiest country in the world.

[dirtdawg]

I wish I got 100ks from 15 lt of LPG I have the scuba tanks in mine (60lt) about 50lt useable and I get 200ks max

[spambo]

time to buy a donkey no tax or exise on grass:)

[frantic]

The problem is the govt. will do nothing as its a revenue source with a thousand year life span. Thats right Oz with its current extraction rates and exports has 1000 years of lpg left in KNOWN reserves along with about 250 years worth of coal that is economical to mine.(but as price goes up harder to get/extract coal seams become viable);)
Being major exporter of LPG we SHOULD be like every other oil nation,and have the stuff at cost + a set percentage not set via a world market. This would mean less tax for the govt. and cleaner air for all as why would you run a car on petrol for $1.45-55 when gas should cost 50c or less?

[DeeJay]

If you guys really want to know the complexities involved, there is this 2009 report to the ACC.
I haven't found the time to read it :( and I'm in the industry.
BTW it's tipped to fall 4cpl after next week.

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=906690&nodeId=b6c24ea0ecf8f274f362a685bb372911&fn=LPG+Benchmark+Report+-+Allens.pdf

[bussy1963]

I have a D1. I only get 20L/100k's. Got scuba tanks in mine fractional larger 65 litre useable. My range varies from 250 /275 city or 290 / 300 highway.

I have tried everything from platinum plugs and high grade leads., dyno tuned. filters. Spoke to a guy who is right into LR's and he said i was doing good at 20l/100k's on gas. Petrol you should get 15L/100. problem is i only have 30 litre petrol tank..

Wish i could get 15ish/100 out of mine on gas.

[frantic]

The old mixer system that goes through what looks like a carby before the intake is at best around 15% worse than petrol usually up to 30% depending upon system:( The newer direct injection gas systems actually put lpg into each cylinder controlled via comp. so the best ones are IDENTICAL in both economy and power if tuned right. I've had 2 of the old ones and 1 of the injection ones(76 statesman, 98 prado and a 2003 prado 4.0v6 which had the newer one) and the new type is MILES better and worth every dollar, no backfires , no stench unless there is a leak and same economy/power as petrol:D only a little noisier. We now have 2 diesels, an 02 def wagon 110 and a multivan as we dont(or thought we wouldnt) do as many K's now. With both prados we dropped the rear tank and as they have 2 and still had 60-80L of petrol along with 60L gas.
Not 100% but there should be an injection-gas option for the LR V8 as the system we had came from europe.
Here you go: http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/range.html
http://www.australianlpgwarehouse.com.au/Kits/Land-Rover.aspx

[bee utey]

Well, the price of unleaded in Adelaide just went up to 157.9 cpl, not long now and lpg should be near half price again.

Now all those owners of D1's and RRC's who haven't got an oxygen-sensor controlled processor, now is the time to get the benefit. With the sensor in and running you can tune for power and economy, no compromise. Compared to max power settings you can increase economy by up to 20%. Ask your local gas fitter, connecting up an O2 sensor is easy.

[rangieman]

While i dont agree with the cost , All i can say is you all knew it was coming with the gov paying for conversions they were going to get there money back and some so suck it up guys thats life:p

[Davehoos]

had a delivery of gas at work.
48 c/l invoce showed 53c but i was told a discount for government came off that.

there is bottle rental on top.

My dad has 250KG tank at the house also-and it used to be at 58c inc tank.I mentioned this at work and was told there are restrictions ror residential homes for big tanks-its safer to swap lost of smaller bottles that never get inspected.

[Rickoz]

Costs in Europe (France) of LPG/Gpl
LPG 1.10€ =(27.3.12 A$1.394)

Petrol 95 1,60€ =(27.3.12 A$2.027)
Petrol 98 1,70€ =(27.3.12 A$2.154)

Diesel 1,40€ =(27.3.12 A$1.774)

[bee utey]

Fiiled up LPG yesterday at 79.9 cpl, saw unleaded petrol was up to 159.9, almost exactly double...:eek:

[scarry]

Fiiled up LPG yesterday at 79.9 cpl, saw unleaded petrol was up to 159.9, almost exactly double...:eek:

Nothing like that here,best was today at 85.9:mad:

As the media reported today,Qld has the most expensive fuel in the country:(

Maybe something else for Can Do to get onto..................

[350RRC]

LPG around Werribee, Geelong today down to 64.9. Was 85 cents in Warrnambool when I was there on Monday.

DL

[bee utey]

LPG around Werribee, Geelong today down to 64.9. Was 85 cents in Warrnambool when I was there on Monday.

DL

I expect it to drop a bit more, saw 69.9 in Adelaide last week (and filled up!)

[scarry]

Best here is 74.9,most places have been around 77.9.

Seems in Qld, we are always the last to go down,but first to go up.

The higher prices seem to often be at Caltex.

[MRMOPARMAN]

gas is still 81.9c/L in central victoria. making it more expensive to run on gas here, than petrol.

ie say a v8 rangie/disco/whatever, roughly 20L/100km = $19.18/100km (petrol is 1.459/l)
on gas, roughly 25l/100km = $20.45/100km

how can they justify gas being 10-15c/L + higher in central vic than melbourne?

[Camo]

So true

I have an injected system on my classic.. Power is very sluggish compared to running on petrol. I found a guy who can diagnose the problem which I hope will be just tuning. I will rip the system out if its more than 500 bucks to fix. Can't see the point spending more than that to save a few dollars on fuel.

Camo

[d@rk51d3]

Once my current tankfull is gone, I'm pulling the system out to reclaim some wasted space.

Gas prices are only going to get worse IMHO.

[McRover75]

gas is still 81.9c/L in central victoria. making it more expensive to run on gas here, than petrol.

ie say a v8 rangie/disco/whatever, roughly 20L/100km = $19.18/100km (petrol is 1.459/l)
on gas, roughly 25l/100km = $20.45/100km

how can they justify gas being 10-15c/L + higher in central vic than melbourne?

When I work out those sums I get Petrol coming in at $29.18/100km (20*1.459) so you are still saving about $9/100km. Without really looking gas is under 70c/L in Adelaide now, but I have seen it under 60c/L in a few places (Main North Rd near Mawson Lakes, Torrens Rd Near Kilkenny)

[djam1]

Price has dropped here its down to $1.07 per litre

[dirtdawg]

For the sake of $9 per 100ks Id rather drive on petrol

[bee utey]

For the sake of $9 per 100ks Id rather drive on petrol

Indeed. And if you drove 20,000km P.A. that would be $1800 annual saving, who would want that? :cool:


Once my current tankfull is gone, I'm pulling the system out to reclaim some wasted space.

Gas prices are only going to get worse IMHO.

It's back under half petrol price where it always ends up, what more do you want?:)

[dirtdawg]

So I lose a little less than 1 weeks wage over the course of a year by driving on petrol I can deal with that it's way more fun on petrol

[Davehoos]

nrma sydney web site.20c/l difference across sydney---as it should be.
and its 40% of the price of cheep petrol.
gas 53c/l

Petrol Prices & FuelWatch | Find The Cheapest Petrol Stations| NRMA Motoring & Services (http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring/car-care/fuel-prices.htm)

wife payed 73c
as per feuloz

[Blknight.aus]

not sure about ROW....

LPG deregulated in australia about 3 months ago.

[1976_michelle]

bloody ridiculous, I thought we had our own LPG resources in Oz, even with some import the price should be more stable nationwide than it is
When I sold my first disco ('95 rossignol 3dr in Caprice) I was paying like 35cpl :/, its around 80 now (I'm sure it was under 60 around March last year when I sold my lpg ute)
I'm looking at getting a disco again and wondering whether the conversion is worth it but I guess at $1800 per 20000km (about a years travel for me)...it'll only take couple years to redeem itself

[Galoop]

A picture is worth a thousand words!
That photo was taken in wedgefield in port Hedland a couple of months ago

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Filled up for 65cpl yesterday,,:cool:

[MacMan]

I'm paying somewhere between $0.50/L and $0.54 locally.

[Fluids]

From my en-suite window in Anna Bay today. LPG is 79.9cpl :eek:

[bee utey]

Went up on Wednesday from 52.9 - 57.9 to 72.9 in the afternoon. I managed to find an independent on Thursday with 57.9 but IMO cheap LPG is over for another year.:(:(:(

[Roverlord off road spares]

50.5cpl today in outer melb

[dirtdawg]

Been at 50 cpl in melb for a few weeks now, was at 49 for about 2weeks

[Roverlord off road spares]

1 day later up 10c:mad:

[DeeJay]

Went up on Wednesday from 52.9 - 57.9 to 72.9 in the afternoon. I managed to find an independent on Thursday with 57.9 but IMO cheap LPG is over for another year.:(:(:(


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[bee utey]

Petrol went up to 149.9 today so gas at 69.9 is back below 1/2 price again...:eek: