Best Swivel Recovery Points?

[gavinwibrow]

Is this design the bees knees for front recovery points, or is there something even better available?
http://www.famousfour.co.uk/new_parts/part_pic.php?partID=8468


I have an ARB bull bar on my D2a and not sure how well 2 of these would be fixed for pull strength, especially after seeing the Nissan flying bull bar video recently - yes I realise their snatching procdure has been put into question.
At the very least I would be thinking of a larger? backing plate behind and longer high tensile bolts with a second nut, or is that overkill?

[loanrangie]

The bolts dont look sufficiently large enough for me and i'd want a much larger plate on the back to spread the load - double the dims at least .

[Loubrey]

I have used those swivels extensively back in the UK. The rear plate is threaded and the bolts are high tensile, so there is nothing wrong with their strength and manufacture.

The main point is to mount them as close to the chassis mountings as possible. A 90 degree spreader plate with oversize holes in between the 2 blocks and fixed to the mountings of the bullbar will not go amiss either.

[harry]

sorry, i don't like it.
i don't think the d shackle is large enough for a disco,
the eye bolt also looks to be too small for the job also.
and i don't understand why the threaded back plate is smaller than the front plate,
common sense would have the back plate larger than the front just to help spread the load,
i checked famous four's website, but no information is given as to the strength of these.
there are better items available in aus.
i wouldn't want anything less than 4.75 tonne
i should also say that the bar you fit any thing like this to should be strong enough also, 3mm steel in most bars will be too light.

loubrey has the right idea, tie the mounting of this sort of anchor point back to the chassis with a strong angle piece.

[gavinwibrow]

sorry, i don't like it.
i don't think the d shackle is large enough for a disco,
the eye bolt also looks to be too small for the job also.
and i don't understand why the threaded back plate is smaller than the front plate,
common sense would have the back plate larger than the front just to help spread the load,
i checked famous four's website, but no information is given as to the strength of these.
there are better items available in aus.
i wouldn't want anything less than 4.75 tonne
i should also say that the bar you fit any thing like this to should be strong enough also, 3mm steel in most bars will be too light.

loubrey has the right idea, tie the mounting of this sort of anchor point back to the chassis with a strong angle piece.
Although I didn't specify it in this thread, it was always my intention to use suitably sized 90 degree angle steel for fixing to the chassis - and ideally a spreader bar as well if it won't foul my hoped for winch. However, I concur the shackles and swivel holes both look too small to be 4.75t tonne rated, which is a pre-requisite for me. If anyone can point me in the right direction for a proper solution, ideally in OZ and at a reasonable price, I would be grateful. Cheers Gavin

[harry]

gavin, try a pm to dranged,
he has some pretty smart jiggers on his rangy.

[Don 130]

I wouldn't use anything that wasn't rated. Something pretty from a 4x4 shop could be dangerous when used in a tricky situation. Have a look around rigging suppliers and nut out what you need in terms of capacity then choose a product to suit.
an example here and others to fossick for ion this site;

RUD - Load Ring VLBG (http://rud.com/en-au/products/lifting-and-lashing-means/lifting-points-bolted/loadring-vlbg.html)

Don

[gavinwibrow]

gavin, try a pm to dranged,
he has some pretty smart jiggers on his rangy.
PM SENT - THANKS

[Tank]

The "D" shackle pictured is not a rated shackle, rated (SWL/WLL) shackles always have a thicker diameter pin than the body of the shackle, this one does not. D shackles are ok for use with a hook or the eye of a wire sling (rope with eye each end), but not suitable for fibre straps, they are too wide for the shackle and can be damaged around the eye of the strap, also no good for multiple eyes, use a bow shackle (rated that is ).
A cheaper simpler setup is to buy a couple of rated (collared) eye bolts and bolt through bull bar into reinforced front plate on chassis rail end, get eye bolts with a long enough threaded section to do this, regards Frank.

[slug_burner]

shackle is too small and not rated.

[Loubrey]

Just a bit of a qualification to my earlier post. The swivels I used were made by a Raid Racing Supplier in the UK called Scorpion Racing. I had the swivels fitted both front and rear with one on the rear using the standard NATO spacing and fitting the threaded bolt pattern on the rear cross member (with appropriate backing/spreader plate and torsion bars).

On the front the same design swivel was incorporated into strengthened receiver sleeves without the blocks. The swivels all had their load rating stamped into them as is required by motorsport regulations in the UK.

I don't know who manufactures these for Famous 4, but the ones I used previously performed faultlessly on many recoveries and the high tensile allen bolts did what hey were designed to do.

[uninformed]

Scorpion Racing do not have the best reputation....here or across the pond.

[Loubrey]

I suppose "reputation" would be matter of opinion and we are not talking the same company you'll get if you search "Scorpion Racing" on google now. Scorpion Racing UK made high quality gear, but they weren't cheap and they priced themselves out the market. I think they might have gone down in the GFC.

I used their products on two seperate 90's that I trialed with (between 2003 and 2009) and the only problem I ever had was peeling powder coat on one bullbar that they replaced without argument...

Back to the swivels... I used a similar product that worked for me, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. :)

[slug_burner]

Here is another link to see what is available in rated swiveling recovery points (lifting actually)

Bullivants Handbook (http://www.ebooks.geongroup.com/Bullivants/Handbook/index.aspx?issue=issue02&page=25)

look around page 96