Making a sump

[c.h.i.e.f]

As everyone can gather I have been flooding the site with topics and this is another one :angel:
Currently I have the original winged sump on my 4bd1 but with all these mods I am looking to change most things and the sump is one of them!!
Why I want to change it is because it will allow me to do what I would like to do with my exhaust routing and also incorporate a turbo oil drain directly below the turbo which is recommended....
Things I am thinking about are :
1.saving $500 on a wingless sump as I can manufacture most things myself

2.what material should I make the sump from ? I considered alloy and stainless but my concern is cracking from vibration etc etc or could these materials be used successfully ?

3.i am concerned about reducing oil capacity as with a greater volume of oil in the motor the better which is why I would regret chopping the winged sump just incase. Although I do change oil at around 3000k's as a precaution as I believe 10L of oil is very cheap compared to other stuff...

4. Should I just get some alloy and start making and stop talking about it ??

Oh the projects are gathering too fast :eek:

[tomalophicon]

Are the wings you're talking about cooling fins or something else? Sorry I don't know the isuzu engine.

[c.h.i.e.f]

Its all good...im Sorry that I do not have any pics but there is some here somewhere I'm just hopeless with getting photos on here otherwise I would have photos of my county on here :( um as for the sump it has a bulge on the passenger side that makes the capacity more than a standard sump this is what we refer to as a "winged" sump ...
It takes up a lot more room in my opinion and with my oil change intervals I don't think it's a concern by removing it.
Other ideas was dry sump which will probably be to costly or sourcing the dual filter arrangement used on the trucks which will then add some more volume back into the system or an external oil cooler system but I'm not sure yet !

[rovercare]

Just buy a wingless sump

Where are the pictures? To many questions, not enough pictures

[steveG]

Its all good...im Sorry that I do not have any pics but there is some here somewhere I'm just hopeless with getting photos on here otherwise I would have photos of my county on here :( um as for the sump it has a bulge on the passenger side that makes the capacity more than a standard sump this is what we refer to as a "winged" sump ...
It takes up a lot more room in my opinion and with my oil change intervals I don't think it's a concern by removing it.
Other ideas was dry sump which will probably be to costly or sourcing the dual filter arrangement used on the trucks which will then add some more volume back into the system or an external oil cooler system but I'm not sure yet !

Its only a larger capacity if you fill it to the same level as a wingless sump.
The wingless sump on the truck engines run a higher oil level. There's pics on here somewhere of the difference.
I cut the wing off mine (only because I couldn't easily get hold of a wingless sump at the time), then filled with the correct amount of oil and re-marked the dipstick. Piccy's in my conversion thread.

You wont gain any capacity by using the twin filter setup, as the combined volume of both filters would be pretty close to the large original filter.

$500 for a sump - you're joking right ??? Under $150 from a wrecker or you're being ripped I reckon....

Steve

[c.h.i.e.f]

There some good points I usually put more oil in than recommended anyhow so Mmmm yeah it was a crap price so that's why I left it :D as for second hand one I cannot find anything for the Isuzu anywhere really :( hence that's why I started thinking about making one as I get alloy and stainless for free and welding and bolts for free.. Would you be able to post up your thread please as yours was the one I was referring to previously:)

[JDNSW]

Are the wings you're talking about cooling fins or something else? Sorry I don't know the isuzu engine.

The Isuzu engine fitted to the Landrover 110 has a special (compared to the Isuzu truck) sump that has a somewhat shallower deepest part but this is compensated for by a sideways extension about 70-80mm to the left beyond the crankcase. The reason for this is not clear, probably to provide extra clearance under the sump, but the sump is pretty much protected by the axle in front and the cross member under the gearbox that is lower anyway.

I have wondered whether it is simply the sump that came with the industrial version of the engine, being fitted to reduce the overall height of the engine.

John

The drawbacks to it are that it makes access to the starter rather difficult, and makes it necessary to run the exhaust system outside the chassis rail.

John

[isuzu110]

Have you tried sourcing a sump from an Isuzu 4BE1 engine instead ? Some of the parts looked interchangeable when I owned one.

[steveG]

Have you tried sourcing a sump from an Isuzu 4BE1 engine instead ? Some of the parts looked interchangeable when I owned one.

I'm pretty sure I ended up being given a 4BE1 sump instead of a 4BD1 one from the local truck wrecker.
Looks perfect, fits the block perfectly, but unfortunately it was about 15mm shallower overall where the conrods swing, and the 4BD1 crank doesn't rotate.
Thankfully I tried to turn it over by hand after I fitted the sump rather than finding out after it was all installed and I was trying to start it.

I returned it, but they didn't have another 4BD1 sump - which is why I ended up doing a cut & shut on my original winged one...

Steve