Engine change

[bcr2734]

Hey guys, long time away due to work. just got another s3 but a wagon. I am converting it to a ute an looking at taking the 186 out so the questions i have are:

Will clutch an gearbox line up to my 225 diesel? if not what do i have to change?


Cheers brian

[stock]

Why would you put in a boat anchor like a 2.25, a great conversion is a 200tdi with the turbo removed, this engine gives out about 85 -90 bhp compared to the 63bhp of the 2.25 nastily aspirated........ as well as that the clutch and pressure plate from the 200 will fit..............

[korg20000bc]

Why would you put in a boat anchor like a 2.25, a great conversion is a 200tdi with the turbo removed, this engine gives out about 85 -90 bhp compared to the 63bhp of the 2.25 nastily aspirated........ as well as that the clutch and pressure plate from the 200 will fit..............

To take it back to stock and have a bit more originality, I suppose.
Also, with a little tweaking it can significantly enhanced. There's threads on this topic on the site here.
I think it was the user isuzurover who's diesel 2.25 would out-perform petrol 2.25s

[wrinklearthur]

Hi Brian

Was the S3 originally a four or a 2.6 six cyl before the Holden?
If it was a four, your laughing as a 2.25 diesel will virtually go straight in and only need a bit of alteration to the wiring and a diesel return line fitted into the tank.
Sometimes the exhaust pipe needs to be rehashed, anyway it's a good chance to pop some extractors on.


To take it back to stock and have a bit more originality, I suppose.
Also, with a little tweaking it can significantly enhanced. There's threads on this topic on the site here.
I think it was the user isuzurover who's diesel 2.25 would out-perform petrol 2.25s

Hi Old fellow / korg20000bc

I'll have a look for that thread.
And while I have got you, I must have a look at whats doing in the next month or so, for a meet up of AULRO Tas members.
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[korg20000bc]

Hi Brian

Was the S3 originally a four or a 2.6 six cyl before the Holden?
If it was a four, your laughing as a 2.25 diesel will virtually go straight in and only need a bit of alteration to the wiring and a diesel return line fitted into the tank.
Sometimes the exhaust pipe needs to be rehashed, anyway it's a good chance to pop some extractors on.



Hi Old fellow / korg20000bc

I'll have a look for that thread.
And while I have got you, I must have a look at whats doing in the next month or so, for a meet up of AULRO Tas members.
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http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-2-2a/88102-better-2-25-petrol-2-25-diesel.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/60500-getting-more-series-2-25-a.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-3/55538-2-1-4-ltr-diesel.html

Here's some of the discussions

Sounds like a great idea to have a get together. Better put a post up about it!

[wrinklearthur]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-2-2a/88102-better-2-25-petrol-2-25-diesel.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/60500-getting-more-series-2-25-a.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-3/55538-2-1-4-ltr-diesel.html

Here's some of the discussions

Sounds like a great idea to have a get together. Better put a post up about it!

Hi

Well reading those, kept me quite for while, but what else is there to do on a rainy afternoon?
Pity they didn't drop a couple more of cylinders onto the Rover 2.25, but then that's more weight and then the transmission wouldn't have taken the extra power.
???? what did they do in South Africa, wasn't there a six cylinder motor built there??


Is there some way We can attract the attention of Tasmanian based members on this forum?
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[bcr2734]

after yesterday doing alot of panel bash to get rear tub off i never got to the engine. it has a 6 cylinder firewall in it an looks like i have to mod it for vacumm butterfly etc

[LWB123]

what did they do in South Africa, wasn't there a six cylinder motor built there??


Hello from Brisbane.

The South Africans got p-ssed off waiting for Leyland to respond to their demand for a bigger engine before they lost out entirely to Toyota just like our lot did with the Isuzu and the Spaniards with the Santana.

They opted for a locally built, but Australian designed, 2.6 litre OHC six that was originally used for Morris and Austin cars. This same motor may have been used in the Austin Tasman/Kimberley and/or 6 cylinder P76 (?) over here. They also used a larger Perkins diesel for a while - but that all changed with the eventual arrival of the Defenders and turbo diesels etc.

Cheers,

[jakeslouw]

Hello from Brisbane.

The South Africans got p-ssed off waiting for Leyland to respond to their demand for a bigger engine before they lost out entirely to Toyota just like our lot did with the Isuzu and the Spaniards with the Santana.

They opted for a locally built, but Australian designed, 2.6 litre OHC six that was originally used for Morris and Austin cars. This same motor may have been used in the Austin Tasman/Kimberley and/or 6 cylinder P76 (?) over here. They also used a larger Perkins diesel for a while - but that all changed with the eventual arrival of the Defenders and turbo diesels etc.

Cheers,

Yes, Atlantis Diesel Engines (ADE) made a copy of the Perkins 3.9L.

The SADF actually switched to Toyota in the mid-80s and the LR "gharries" eventually were all sold off.

Some guys have started looking for ex-DOD details on some of the caboose and FFR versions, but it seems very little info still exists.

[S3ute]

[,QUOTE=wrinklearthur;1660218]

Well reading those, kept me quite for while, but what else is there to do on a rainy afternoon?
Pity they didn't drop a couple more of cylinders onto the Rover 2.25, but then that's more weight and then the transmission wouldn't have taken the extra power.
???? what did they do in South Africa, wasn't there a six cylinder motor built there??

[/QUOTE]

Arthur,

Hello from Brisbane.

The South Africans used an Australian designed but South African built 6 cylinder motor. I think it is the same unit that went into the 6 cylinder version of the P76.

Cheers,

[JPC]

The tooling for the E6 rover engine used here in SA from '80 to '85 did come from Aus. Some design changes were made and then produced locally. This engine was also fitted in the Rover SD, Triumph and Austin Marina cars with good success.

The Santana 4spd gearbox in this period of Land Rover was designed to withstand the torque of the ADE 236 engine. This diesel engine was manufactured here under license from Perkins, thus a Perkins 4.236 engine. This application in the Land Rover had 3.54 diffs.

The 2.6 OHV 6cyl rover engine (E6), refered to locally as R6, was very successful in the 3/4 ton land Rover except that the major user was the military, and they over revved the motors over long distances, resulting in head gasket failures, giving it an unwarranted bad reputation. A good 82Kw and 202 Nm, and free revving and the LR could often reach 140kph, on the clock.

Some 5000 of these Land Rovers were built here with an estimated 400 being diesel.

[JPC]

The SADF prohibited the use of "D" vehicles, from mid 80s, in any operational area and thus the reduced need for Land Rovers. By then also, the locally built SAMIL 20 was used as a platform which made all the Forward Controls and Unimog 416 vehicles redundant, thus the resulting sell-off. At present, there are still some series Land Rovers on the books and in use in the SANDF.

[jakeslouw]

Hi JPC

Thanks for that. Where did you dig that up from?

I really thought that the SANDF had sold all the Landies?

[JPC]

Jakes, I know the ceremonial/revue 88s are still in use, though have recently been replaced with specially kitted out 90s, so the 88s should come up for auction soon. There are also some series Landies with the commando units, on paper, and they are now also being collected for auction.

Ciao

[isuzurover]

Santana built a 3.4L 6cyl petrol and diesel. Basically a 2.25 with 2 extra cylinders.

Land Rover Santana 109 Especial 6 cylinder diesel engine - YouTube

LAND ROVER Santana Cazorla, 109´´, 5 puertas, 6 cil., 3.4 l, diesel - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=LY_aPwZgYlM

El 6 Cacerolos de Carabanch calentando II.Ex-Military Land Rover Santana Warming - YouTube

[jakeslouw]

Jakes, I know the ceremonial/revue 88s are still in use, though have recently been replaced with specially kitted out 90s, so the 88s should come up for auction soon. There are also some series Landies with the commando units, on paper, and they are now also being collected for auction.

Ciao

Keep me updated if you can?

Plenty guys would love to know when the CF / Kommando stuff is sold off. I'd like to be in the front of the queue...