2.2 ?

[olbod]

Just realised that the new Defender has gone down in engine size to a 2.2.
Not sure about that idea.
Does it need a push start to get it moving when carrying a touring load ?
Does it have plenty of torque ?
Does it need to be chipped or is the 2.2 size not an issue ?

Ta.

Robert.

PS: I ask these questions because I am undecided whether or not to buy one for a touring expedition type thingy.

[SuperchargedSport]

The change down to 2.2 is too meet the ever changing emission laws... The defender engines are always down tuned a fair bit to cope with poor fuels around the world.

The 2.2 is tweaked to match the power of the out going 2.4 (90kw)
The vw amarok diesel is a single turbo 2.0 4cyl with 90kw, or twin turbo 2.0 4cyl with 120kw and the new auto amarok coming is factory tuned to i think it was 138kw.... from a 2.0.... diesel

ford do the same engine to a 3lt... who knows why we cant have that.

[TimNZ]

Just realised that the new Defender has gone down in engine size to a 2.2.
Not sure about that idea.
Does it need a push start to get it moving when carrying a touring load ?
Does it have plenty of torque ?
Does it need to be chipped or is the 2.2 size not an issue ?

Ta.

Robert.

PS: I ask these questions because I am undecided whether or not to buy one for a touring expedition type thingy.

Go take one for a test drive....... they go quite well.


The change down to 2.2 is too meet the ever changing emission laws... The defender engines are always down tuned a fair bit to cope with poor fuels around the world.

The 2.2 is tweaked to match the power of the out going 2.4 (90kw)
The vw amarok diesel is a single turbo 2.0 4cyl with 90kw, or twin turbo 2.0 4cyl with 120kw and the new auto amarok coming is factory tuned to i think it was 138kw.... from a 2.0.... diesel

ford do the same engine to a 3lt... who knows why we cant have that.

I Believe Bell Auto's are working on fitting the 3.2 and the heavy duty MT82, (as fitted to the transit with the 3.2 engine). Have a look here: Defender2 - View topic - Any body herd anything more about the 3.2 transit engine (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic12113.html)

Cheers,

[SuperchargedSport]

Thanks Tim,

I read the article on the TDv6 into a defender, but it looks too involved to take on with modifying the chassis and having to use the jag tdv6 turbo setup etc.

This looks more promising. More torque please land rover :)

[TwoUp]

olbod,
I just purchased a 2012 130 for the same reason. It's getting old now and has 47Km on the clock. Will be fitting out the back soon. so it sits in the shed for now.

The motor spins up like a petrol engine and goes better than the 2.4 easily. On start up the pre-heat is negligable, you can start it strait away. I would note about now that the Detroil engine from the 1940s (V-63s etc) has not and never has had a pre-heat, and from any that I have seen start on que.

It is quieter and on shut down does not have the tacker tacker noise of the 2.4. The doors stay open (ask a 2.4 driver for info on that one).

Sent a email to Mulgo re- fuel tanks, plus 140Ltrs would give the vehicle a long range and keep the standard tank.

Looking in the rear of the cabin. The seats can come out and the box that they sit on as well. This would leave a flat platform to use as the floor runs to the rear, unlike the old 130s.

Basic, no traction control, but that's good for me. Will do mods eg lockers etc, but intend to leave the suspension alone.

This will take me a few weeks and hope to do the Madigan Line in it, otherwise it's the chev/Fender for that trip.

cheers,
PeterW

[olbod]

Thanks.
The nearest dealer and test drive is about 450klm away, so I need to rely on you Blokes for first hand information.

That being said, do you Blokes that own them think that the 2.2 Defender is strong enough to drag the thing around the country as a moderately loaded tourer ? You know with long range tanks, water, spares, food, cooker, recovery gear ( including high lift jack, axe , shovel ), bullbar, winch, twin batteries, rear steel bar with two spare wheel carrier ( if one is available ) and one driver on board, etc ?
It would be a bit lighter than average I guess as it would not have a fridge, roof rack, tents and that and that sort of stuff.

I like the idea of the two door hardtop, as I dont need four doors or more than two seats and I could sleep in the thing if I wanted to.

Ta.

Robert.

[olbod]

Thanks PeterW.
We must have been writing at the same time as I didn't see your post untill after my second post.
I also would intend to put in diff lockers.
The Madigan is on my revisit list also, might see you along there one day.

I am a bit concerned about the weak diff rumour but I have asked about it on another thread.

Cheers.

Robert.

[Benz]

if the old tdis had enough grunt to pull fully loaded expedition rigs around the new 2.2 shouldn't have too much trouble...


olbod,
Looking in the rear of the cabin. The seats can come out and the box that they sit on as well. This would leave a flat platform to use as the floor runs to the rear, unlike the old 130s.
PeterW

a little off topic but
pretty sure all 130s are like this.
well the td5's tdi's and pumas are anyway

[PAT303]

Olbod,like Benz said I have a high millage Tdi that carried me all over Oz including Tassie without an issue and the TDCi is a better engine so I wouldn't worry about it,they go good enough that two people have been caught speeding driving mine. Pat

[newhue]

I'm at GMV with expedition garb on and my 2.4 goes well, I'd imagine the 2.2 producing the same power and torque figures it will do itself proud.

[lowbox]

I had a similar concern, moving from a 90 with a 4.6 V8 - to a 110 with a 2.2 had me a bit concerned at the prospect I might have to get out and push on hills ;-)
However, it's fine. The 6th gear is great for the open road, but it's easy to have the speed creep up - it's a very willing engine, and tackles the hills just fine.
I haven't done loading touring in it yet, but I do tow the boat with it - which would be a similar load - and just use one gear down for hills typically.
I'd suggest a test drive - it surprised me how well it went.

[camel_landy]

Personally, I prefer the 2.4...

M

[carlschmid2002]

I have just bought a 90 MY12 with the 2.2 and it certainly doesn't need a push. I have just changed over from a 3.0 Patrol. I realize that it is nearly a tonne lighter but there is no comparison in power. It races up hills. The speed can sneak up on you a bit. I drove from Melbourne to Sydney yesterday with about 500kg of cargo and tools and it averaged about 10.5 liters per 100km. That was touching 120km quite a bit. I have heard that if you stay under a 100 kph the fuel economy is much better, but, I am struggling with that.

[PAT303]

Me too,driving back from Perth saw 130 a few times,mines improved alot now it's getting miles on it. Pat

[Loubrey]

Carl,

10.5 is really good at those speeds! If you take my 2.4 up to 120km/h it uses quite a bit more diesel than around 105km/h which seems to be its "sweet spot" for good mileage.