Tyre Rotation

[davidgate]

My 2011 Puma 110 has about 14k on the clock - is tyre rotation (including the spare) the way to go these days and at what frequency? :confused:

Dave G:)

[landiematt]

Hi Dave. I do mine every 5000km's.Even though this is quite often and a pain, I have got over 100,000 km out of my BFG's. I do all 5. Matt

[87County]

agreed - rotation seems to be a good idea

some commentaters may say that it's important to keep the direction in which the tyre rotates the same when you the swap them around - and you can have them turned over on the rims to achieve this ....

Over the years I've tried both doing and not doing the turnover thing - hasn't seemed to make a difference that I can see

[Beckford]

I have always wondered why in the book which came with my vehicle (2010 Puma) they say not to rotate the tyres?

I have always rotated the tyres on all the vehicles I have owned including the Puma.

[Chops]

When mine went in for its first service, they said they were supposed to do the rotation then. They did'nt, but I suspect with all the other stuff going on they forgot. I wish I had checked it before I left,, now I'll have to do it myself,, :(
So as I understand, L/R should go to spare (S), so the original S and R/R go to the front, with R/R going to F/R, S going to L/F, and the fronts going directly to the back, crossing over on the way, (L/F goes to R/R, and R/F goes to L/R).
Can anyone confirm this?

Chops

[landiematt]

hope attachment worked. I use G.

[Sue]

So going by the pic above the spare is supposed to be included in the rotation also??..

[Chops]

Yes, include the spare,,, it means you get more "overall" miles out of the full set. This will then give you more "time" between tyre purchases too, although it means you buy 5 tyres every time, not 4.

[Xtreme]

Yes, include the spare,,, it means you get more "overall" miles out of the full set. This will then give you more "time" between tyre purchases too, although it means you buy 5 tyres every time, not 4.

But it does mean that you are able to change the brand/size/tread pattern when you're due for a new set instead of having to either dispose of an unused spare or stick with the same as the spare and end up with a spare that is probably close to or past it's 'use by' date.

[solmanic]

I've always had mine rotated and never actually had to buy a set of new tyres for any of my Defenders (all still had tread to spare at 90-100K km). If, like me, you get a tyre place to do the rotation, make sure you re-check the pressures. The numpties who've done mine the last three times don't seem to check and I always find my rears which get rotated onto the front are still at 40-50psi!

[Xtreme]

I've always had mine rotated and never actually had to buy a set of new tyres for any of my Defenders (all still had tread to spare at 90-100K km). If, like me, you get a tyre place to do the rotation, make sure you re-check the pressures. The numpties who've done mine the last three times don't seem to check and I always find my rears which get rotated onto the front are still at 40-50psi!

Also, if relying on the "a tyre place to do the rotation" insist that they torque the wheel nuts correctly.
I know of a number of cases where incorrect use of the rattle gun has led to either broken studs or nuts so tight that it was virtually impossible to undo them with the standard wheel brace ................... sometimes still unsuccessful even with the aid of a substantial 'cheater bar'.

[wannabeexplorer]

As per the illustration G, the front right going to the rear left, should you refit that tyre to keep the same direction?

[Benz]

I rotate my tyres every 5-8000 k's
I include both spares in my rotation.

don't think it is worth flipping the tyres on the rims to keep them in the same rotation direction is worth it.

unless you have directional tyres I guess

I'm no expert though

[rick130]

Buggered if I know how you fella's get over 100,000km out of a set of tyres, the most i've ever got is 55,000km on the Deefer and they were knackered at that.
They were fine for fast, dry road use with about 3mm of thread left but useless off road.

Oh, and I rotate them too, when I think of it :p

(probably every 10-15,000km)

You need to rotate muddies to get any life out of them anyway, they scallop out alternate lugs if left on the front for extended periods.

[Xtreme]

Buggered if I know how you fella's get over 100,000km out of a set of tyres, the most i've ever got is 55,000km on the Deefer and they were knackered at that.
They were fine for fast, dry road use with about 3mm of thread left but useless off road.

Oh, and I rotate them too, when I think of it :p

(probably every 10-15,000km)

You need to rotate muddies to get any life out of them anyway, they scallop out alternate lugs if left on the front for extended periods.

I think the fellas who get in excess of 100,000k's out of tyres must spend a lot of time on the black ribbon.

Not like what you'd probably experience in the deep north of the Upper Hunter. :angel:

[isuzurover]

Buggered if I know how you fella's get over 100,000km out of a set of tyres, the most i've ever got is 55,000km on the Deefer and they were knackered at that.
They were fine for fast, dry road use with about 3mm of thread left but useless off road.

Oh, and I rotate them too, when I think of it :p

(probably every 10-15,000km)

You need to rotate muddies to get any life out of them anyway, they scallop out alternate lugs if left on the front for extended periods.

I have found (after doing it 5 times in the past 5 years) that a big long road trip - like across the nullarbor, really hardens up tires and makes them wear slower.

[rick130]

That'd do it Ben.

It's heat and heat cycles that cure tyre rubber compounds, and on a long trip like that you are getting them hot and sustaining the temp in them for a while.

[JC Rover]

I rotate mine when I service her every 10,000km. I measure the depth on all five tyres. Put the best two on the front as that where the majority of braking occurs, the next best two on the rear, and the worst as the spare. Works well. I live in the land of the roundabout, so keeping your eye on yours tyres is essential.

[justinc]

I USUALLY rotate, BUT the last set of BFG MT 255/85's had NO rotation, and at almost 65K I reckon they were still good for 15K more when I fitted the new tyres and rims. I was careful to keep pressures correct front to rear and when loaded/ highway use I upped them to 48 rear and 40 front.


Just sayin'...:angel:

JC

[scarry]

I always rotate the tyres,but don't include the spare.

I cross the rears over left to right,then front to rear,therefore they will end up in a different spot every 10k.

A must for the work vans or the front left will be stuffed at about 40k

As for the D2,generally got 80 to 90k out of a set of Bfg A/T,by rotating them this way,although the last set were over 7yrs old & cracked between the tread blocks,so i replaced them.
As for the D4,haven't thought about it yet,trolly jack under the diff doesn't look like the go:confused:

[numpty]

I generally do mine every 10000 k's but only front to rear on same side. That's just my thing...and I dont include the spare.

I've just replaced the last of the original tyres with 125000 k's. Yes, mostly bitumen as I have a second set on steels for trips.

[davidgate]

Why are the dealers silent on the issue? You would think LR and the dealers would have a view on the issue! :o

Dave G :)

[disco 3 door]

Hi all, In wifes car the owners manual says to rotate r/f to r/r & l/f to l/r when running any radial tyre.

[Sue]

Hi all, In wifes car the owners manual says to rotate r/f to r/r & l/f to l/r when running any radial tyre.

Yes I asked around and I believe this especially applies if you tow a lot with your vehicle.. something to do with the way the steel wires in them run..

[Nera Donna]

Rotation is a must if you want decent mileage out of your tyres.
Both rears to front, Left front to spare and road the spare.
Check your tyre pressures every week or two and before a long run.
Rotation, balance and wheel alignment every 10,000k’s
I only have the two tyres that are going on the front balanced.
Most tyre places are not set up for proper 4wd wheel alignments (shiming etc). The ones that aren’t will just do a toe-n-go. Check and adjust the toe-in. So unless your vehicle is pulling badly or your tyres are wearing unevenly or you've just had some front end work done, you SHOULD be OK with a toe and go.

[newhue]

I'm a bit reserved with this whole tyre rotation thing. I have 6 tyres, front go on roof, backs go to front, and roof go to back. Balanced and aligned every 10K. 5 of the tyres will not see 50K, the sixth spare which was new but 4 years old when it went on is done at 35K.
Checked tyre pressures fortnightly to the 4psi rule, and always lowered them when 4x4ing. It has made little difference when hoping for 80K out of them, 100K is a pipe dream for me.

[GlennWA]

The workshop manual for the Puma are posted elsewhere on this site. On page 183/1479 it states "WARNING: Always use the same make and type of radial-ply tyres, front and rear. DO NOT use cross-ply tyres, or
interchange tyres from front to rear."

Make of that what you will but the fact that the owners manual states a similar thing makes me wonder why not?

Anyone got any ideas?

EDIT: Reading further "NOTE: DO NOT attempt to interchange tires, e.g. from front to rear, as tire wear produces characteristic patterns
depending on their position. If tire position is changed after wear has occurred, the performance of the tire will be
adversely affected."

[GlennWA]

Checked tyre pressures fortnightly to the 4psi rule...

Pardon my ignorance but what is the 4 psi rule?

[rick130]

The workshop manual for the Puma are posted elsewhere on this site. On page 183/1479 it states "WARNING: Always use the same make and type of radial-ply tyres, front and rear. DO NOT use cross-ply tyres, or
interchange tyres from front to rear."

Make of that what you will but the fact that the owners manual states a similar thing makes me wonder why not?

Anyone got any ideas?

I don't like reversing the direction of radial tyres, but I have no problem swapping them front to rear.

If I didn't I'd only get 25-30,000km out of the front's.

The factory state that in case it creates any wandering with the slightly different wear patterns, but I've never had that occur across three different brands of MT's.

[davidgate]

Pardon my ignorance but what is the 4 psi rule?

x 2

Dave G:confused:

[newhue]

Pardon my ignorance but what is the 4 psi rule?

This will expalin it better, but's basically a accepted way of measuring the correct tyre pressure for the weight of the vehicle and a given load.

4psi Rule (http://www.aawen4x4.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1:4psi-rule&catid=2:current&Itemid=7)

[kenleyfred]

Joining the concept very late. Have nearly 80K on the Defender tyres. They have never been rotated and have all worn evenly. They now probably have approx half the tread of the spare.

I assume it is now to late to start rotating and introducing the spare.

Although I am very happy with the tyres it came with they may not be the ones I go with on replacement and I'm loathe to get rid of an unused tyre.

[Chops]

The workshop manual for the Puma are posted elsewhere on this site. On page 183/1479 it states "WARNING: Always use the same make and type of radial-ply tyres, front and rear. DO NOT use cross-ply tyres, or
interchange tyres from front to rear."

Make of that what you will but the fact that the owners manual states a similar thing makes me wonder why not?

Anyone got any ideas?

EDIT: Reading further "NOTE: DO NOT attempt to interchange tires, e.g. from front to rear, as tire wear produces characteristic patterns
depending on their position. If tire position is changed after wear has occurred, the performance of the tire will be
adversely affected."

I would think it would be interpreted as "substantial wear", as in if feathering had occured on the tyre. When you then turn the tyre around, they sing like birds,,:eek:

[landiematt]

I got my 100,000 km's all highway driving at 100kph. (I only drive it to work and back) using BFG all terrain's. If you think about it, if you rotate every 5000km's over 100,000 km's, your tyres are only doing 80,000 km's on road and 20,000km's as the spare.