Td5 Power Steering Pump - HELP!

[wheelz88]

Guys, Im having an absolute shocker and need help!

Whilst driving home last night I started to hear this whurring noise at low revs and when i turned the car both ways. The steering did not seem heavy or lumpy. Once back home in the garage, I lifted the hood and could hear the noise very well once the wheel was turned slightly. It was late so i left it alone and now when I woke this morning my garage floor is now coated in power steering fluid as there is virtually nothing left in the reservoir.

I quickly jumped underneath and it looked as though there are two pipes/hoses relatively close together that were soaked in the PS fluid?

What I was hoping you guys could tell me is:

1. Would be the PSP? or would be something to do with the pipes/hoses?
2. How much for a new pump?
3. How much for new pipes/hoses

Many Thanks in advance.

P.S I have looked everywhere for an appropiate thread but cant find one.

[trevor]

G'day mate. Had the same problem with the noise, was ok UNTIL the fluid ran out naturally. Turned out that on of the hoses rubs against the sump and LR combated this problem with a piece of foam on the pipe (excellent idea ><). I use mine as a daily driver so couldn't wait for an O/S supplier and bough it straight from LR Melbourne, was 84 for ANR6***, sorry cant remember the exact part number. It's a moulded hose with a u-turn at the bottom. It's a very easy job to replace it and hopefully that is your issue. If you didn't have any issues with the PAS before the leak I dont see any reason why the PAS should be shot. I will try to find the part number for the pipe.

[trevor]

Anr6974. Power steering hose reservoir to pump. Have a look and see if there is play where the braid meets the metal u-turn of the pipe, that's where mine was leaking. Also if there is fluid on both hoses it could be that it is leaking onto the other, perhaps not both are leaking. Check all connections from the reservoir as it may be that a clamp isn't on properly. I hope its just a faulty hose. Mine is a 2002 td5 with about 200k when it went if that helps at all

[wheelz88]

Thanks Trevor,

I'm curious though as there was a noise before any leaking. Do you think that the start of a slow leak caused the noise and then once the car was off for a while it really poured out?

Also can you replace that hose from underneath?

[trevor]

That's what happened to me. It was loud and as I drove it more it became near impossible to steer (particularly right for some reason). The next morning there was a huge puddle of coolant. Just a thought as im not sure but perhaps the leak started and there wasn't enough fluid to fully circulate and the decrease in fluid and subsequent increase in air resulted in... Less fluid in the pump. I don't know why under pressure it loses less fluid as opposed as when the car is off. My only thought would be that under pressure it is continually circulated but when it's not it is let to drain freely, hopefully someone will tell me if this is the case or not. Yes I was able to replace the hose from both underneath to connect the hose to the pump and on top to connect it to the reservoir. It is quite a straight forward job, it's fairly easy to get your hands in there.

Another note is how much fluid you will need, not even LR dealers/mechanics were able to tell me how much fluid was needed. You need about 700ml, but buy a litre. I used DEXTRON ATF III as I misread another forum which stated another number closer to 4l :S. I have had no issues for about 15k with the ATF but LR do sell the recommended fluid for about 50$ for a liter bottle (it's a green fluid and the ATF is red). If I were to do it again I would use the recommended stuff just for piece of mind, but I'm happy with the ATF. Have a look at the hose and you will be able to see its not too difficult a job.
Trev.

[wheelz88]

Trev, thought i would let you know what the result was.

I checked the res to pump hose and it had a hole in it from rubbing as you suggested. I'm really amazed that LR would allow this rubbing to occur - but I gues that's LR through and through.

Well I have ordered a new hose from karkraft (very very impressed), so should be back in action in no time. Im thinking about replacing those stupid clips though to something a little better.

Is there any ideas on how to stop it from rubbing through again?

Cheers

[OffTrack]

I checked the res to pump hose and it had a hole in it from rubbing as you suggested. I'm really amazed that LR would allow this rubbing to occur - but I gues that's LR through and through.


Actually it's more to do with hack/lazy mechanics that think a service = oil change and a new filter or two. :wasntme:

If you take a look at a factory service schedule all hoses should be inspected for rubbing and wear at every service interval, depending on your milage that would be about every 6 months. If this was done by whoever maintains the vehicle it would have been picked up long (as in a year or two) before it got to the stage where it leaked.

From the factory the hoses have a protective foam cover to prevent direct contact but that rubs with age.

Best preventative measure seems to be use of a large cable tie to hold the u-bend away from the edge of the sump.


cheers
Paul

[trevor]

I'm with Paul, easiest option is to just get it out of the way with a cable tie. I haven't thought of a more permanent solution apart from using a different hose. Hopefully someone will have some better insight.

[thexprinter]

Had the same problem with my unit.....was out bush had a piece of Power steering hose, took out the Aluminium tube bend (hole was in the bend) and then pushed a longer section of hose over the tubing and fastened with hose clamps..Topped up P/S Fluid ..problem solved $10.00

[alien]

I've tied my hose back using old heater hose between the hoses and the cable ties so no hose rubbing.
Watch what streeses you put on what you tie it to also.

Some more reading for you...http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/115235-td5-auto-service-time-items-watch.html

[Alex 110]

old thread, I know, but...
Got the same problem on mine (2000my TD5, 200 000km) but with a twist.
Yes the pipe (reservoir to pump) had rubbed, yes a moaning noise from the pump...
Replaced the pipe, bled the hydraulics as per RAVE, next day still a puddle on the driveway.
It seems to be coming from where the pipe on the pump that the hose clamps onto joins the underside of the body of the pump (if that makes sense).
My question (finally) is: is there a union there that could be leaking or is this pipe integral with the pump body? I'm going to start pulling bits apart to get a better view of whats going on, but hoping to get some feedback from you guys first.
TIA
Alex

[CountP]

I have just replaced my power steering pump so this is still fresh in my mind.
The flexible hose you have just replaced pushes on to a steel pipe adaptor that bolts to the pump with two bolts. There is an o-ring between the pump and the pipe adaptor. Mine was wet in this area so I replaced the o-ring but this didn't help as it was leaking on the gasket between the pump halves.
There is gasket available but I replaced the pump.

[Lyonbyrd]

My pump was leaking so I ordered a seal kit from Best Parts Online. When I got the pump out it was leaking from the back gasket (most common). The Kit cost $70 & I could have done the job with some black gasket silicone I already had..

I replaced one of the shaft seals in the pump as well though it looked good & put a worm drive on one of those brass hose joints which fell off.. I'd replace all of those for piece of mind if I had more worm drives at the time cause they look like they want to fall off..

Took me half a day cause I'm slow..would have been nice to know I'd just needed a $15 tube of gasket silicone. A local pump guy said they were sealed pumps that you couldn't get seals for (don't listen to the BS). A new pump is ($400+), a local discovery guy offered me a 2nd hand one for $150 (no thanks).

Hopefully I just saved someone some time & money.. ;)

[justfishing]

Hello,
I just replaced mine a little damp on the rear side I got a new one from Island 4X4 in the UK Steering - Island 4x4 - Specialists in Land Rover and Range Rover Parts and accessories for all models. UK and worldwide mail order. (http://www.island-4x4.co.uk/discovery-9804-steering-c-18_82.html) landed here less than $200. that's with postage they are pretty good use them all the time
Ian