Constant driving with LLAMS

[Guppy]

Hi all,

Anyone running LLAMS at lower height continuously on their D4? I would be interested in pros and cons found by you all

Thanks

Gup

[ADMIRAL]

Hi all,

Anyone running LLAMS at lower height continuously on their D4? I would be interested in pros and cons found by you all

Thanks

Gup

Not a good idea, unless you are prepared to have the vehicle wheel aligned at the height you wish to run at. Note that the wheel alignment settings ( particularly the front end ) change substantially at the access and raised heights, when the vehicle is aligned at the normal ride height in tight tolerance mode. Llams or not, if you are running at any height the vehicle has not been aligned at, whatever that is, your wheel alignment is out.

It may not feel like it at the wheel, ( power steering disguises a lot ) but it is easily enough to chew the tyres out over a long trip.

[Disco4SE]

I have my D4 booked in for a wheel alignment tomorrow and intend to have it done at normal height of course, however going to get them to check readings at normal height +30mm (Llams fitted).

Will be posting the results.

Cheers, Craig

[Graeme]

I hear a slight increase in tyre noise that could be caused by being closer to the source of the noise, the sound waves reverberate differently in the smaller air gap between the road and vehicle or the alignment slightly out. A wheel alignment check at normal height then the lowered height would reveal any adverse changes but as the height is the standard high speed height, I suspect the alignment isn't out by much. I often lower for fast bends because the lower stance improves stability and tracking with my softer D3 suspension and 17" LT tyres.

[Guppy]

Thanks for the feedback,
I suspected the alignment would change - has anyone considered aligning at this height enabling improved stability and economy with speed and long distances?

Gup

[Graeme]

Whilst I find the ride a little softer on slightly bumpy surfaces when lowered, the bump-stops are too close for many of the bumps in my local rural roads which causes the ride to suddenly become a lot harsher. If anything, I find the medium height setting (+30 mm) provides a generally better ride but the handling suffers on corners. I've permanently raised the front of my D4 10mm for extra bump-stop clearance at normal height because its enough to make some difference, which would also contribute to the reason for the better handling on the low setting.

I think part of the improved stability at the lower height is due to the more negative camber at this height, along with a lower suspension geometry roll centre and slightly lower C of G and perhaps increased caster. If the alignment was done at this height there might not be such an improvement unless only the toe was corrected, assuming it alters enough to warrant correction. Note that the D4 has a lower roll centre than the D3 due to changes in the suspension components to achieve this.

[101RRS]

I have had LLAMS fitted for just under a year and have covered about 10,000km with it fitted - I run all the time with -20 selected and I have not noticed any unusual tyre wear. I have never had a wheel alignment in the 25,000km of ownership as I am a believer that if it is OK don't tamper with it.

My driving life experiences with wheel alignments are not good where the alignment was done for the sake of having it done - where alignment seemed OK at the start, getting an alignment has stuffed it up and my vehicles have had to go back and back to get fixed. So unless I identify an issue, no alignment for me.

Garry

[adzee]

Had llams for six months now and covered nearly 17k kms with all heights used with offroading etc. I love the firm feeling of +30 setting and the extra vision, but am not sure I would be using all the time in case it puts excess wear on the compressor. Driving at -20 is too harsh and would not be pleasant to drive long distance!

[101RRS]

Driving at -20 is too harsh and would not be pleasant to drive long distance!

That is not my experience.

Garry

[Guppy]

Thanks all!
Some very good experiences - I will give it a try at the settings and see what happens.
Still waiting on my 18" Compmotive wheels (thanks Gordon) to arrive by sea! and also the 285/60/18 Cooper LTZ I ordered to see how they will run off road in combination with the LLAMS

Gup

[Disco4SE]

Thanks all!
Some very good experiences - I will give it a try at the settings and see what happens.
Still waiting on my 18" Compmotive wheels (thanks Gordon) to arrive by sea! and also the 285/60/18 Cooper LTZ I ordered to see how they will run off road in combination with the LLAMS

Gup

Hey Gup,
Exact combo that I have. Very happy so far.

Cheers, Craig

[~Rich~]

Yes they work well. ;)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/04/353.jpg

Yes when in off road and highest LLAMS setting you don't get much travel!
But if you have an eDiff it won't worry you. ;)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/04/354.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/04/355.jpg

I use LLAMS @ lowest for sporty driving around a nice bendy road - more fun!
Also if you are tight on height getting in a car park it's also handy.

[Graeme]

I use LLAMS @ lowest for sporty driving around a nice bendy road - more fun!
Good for removing lifted LCs from the rear bumper going into a tight left-hander at speed.

[85 county]

That is not my experience.

Garry

you must have a bigger but than him????

[gghaggis]

That is not my experience.

Garry

The RRS suspension tuning is not the same as the D3 - it is designed to be firmer in the first place, so this could account for the differing experiences.

Cheers,

Gordon

[101RRS]

The RRS suspension tuning is not the same as the D3 - it is designed to be firmer in the first place, so this could account for the differing experiences.

Cheers,

Gordon

Yeah - afterall is it a Sport rather than Fridge on wheels :o

[discotwinturbo]

Yeah - afterall is it a Sport rather than Fridge on wheels :o
So is the Disco the fridge on wheels ? LOL

[~Rich~]

A Cool fridge at that ;)

[TerryO]

I love the firm feeling of +30 setting and the extra vision, but am not sure I would be using all the time in case it puts excess wear on the compressor.


Hi Adzee,

I don't see why it would put any extra ware on the compressor if +30 is what you would run it at all the time.


cheers,
Terry

[Disco4SE]

Had my wheel alighment done last week at Tyrepower Camberwell. Very very pleased.
Michael really knows what he is doing and has a passion for Landrovers.

The result of having the Llams set at normal height +30mm did alter the Toe etc a reasonable amount. Enough to wear tyres if left in that setting for a period of time.

The front wheel toe for both wheels altered +3.5mm and the rears +0.8mm. The fronts obviously more.

In summary, I would drive at the +30mm only when necessary but not for great periods of time.

Cheers, Craig

[400HPONGAS]

Same as Garrycol, all bitumen driving at the Minus 30 setting , with an an eye on wheel alignment , wear issue, no problem yet . Ride is only slightly harsher, but I trade that off for better Fuel economy (Not much better ,1L/100km consistantly )

[Graeme]

..Minus 30 setting..
Minus 20 setting? 30mm is used for the 1st raised height.

[400HPONGAS]

Yeah,I know it says -20 on the green LED , but mine and three mates always seem to drop 25-30 when you measure it at the rear .medium loaded. Lucky I suppose , its probably the Pilbara dirt loading it up , LOL
Graeme,rechecking it ,from normal and LLAMS in Green LED its -25-30 ,from Access and Green LED its 20. Ill Try another recalsand see what happens !

[Graeme]

The height changes are for when used with normal height. At other heights the changes may be a bit different due to changes in the sweep of the sensor arms and therefore sensor voltage changes.

[time2]

Hi All

Just reading this thread and note that most concern with driving at adjusted heights is the tyre wear but I'm wondering I anyone has any thoughts of the increased wear on the driveline wear at the new heights. Do you think there would be any cause for concern?

Regards

[101RRS]

You cannot go higher than what the car is capable off - when using the interim levels common sense has to apply and you only select the height appropriate to your circumstance. Eg - driving at freeway speeds with +50mm selected then you deserve to have drive train issues.

There is no reason to be at high offroad heights when onroad and for most offroad work there is no need to go above the equivalent of normal offroad and only select higher when needed for short periods.

Garry