D4 2.7 or 3.0. Is it worth it?

[Disco3QLD]

Quick question for you Disco gods out there?

I'm looking at a new D4 and I can choose from:
- 2.7L for around $80k
or
- 3.0L for $94k

Is the 3.0L that much better?

[oldsalt]

I'd say go for the 3.0 - but to be on the safe side I'm willing to take your brand new 3.0 D4 for a "test drive" for you - I should be able to get it back to you in about five years and then I'll be able to give you my honest evaluation as to whether you made the right choice.....:p

[mervwho]

Absobloodylutely...

[MR LR]

Well now that you can get 19 inch wheels (aftermarket) that fir the 3.0L i wouild have one anyday over the 2.7L (we have a 3.0) better on every level, as to the oprice you have, it seems a bit steep, are you looking at a HSE or have you get a lot of options, form memory our SDV6 was $91,500 ($1500 e-diff), that price is standard, but we knocked it down a tad

[Disco3QLD]

Just got a trade in price on my 09 D3 of....wait for it.....$24k WTF?

[gghaggis]

Just got a trade in price on my 09 D3 of....wait for it.....$24k WTF?

:eek::eek:

Your kidding - was it recovered from the bottom of the harbour??

Cheers,

Gordon

[discotwinturbo]

3.0 all the way.
I had the same dilemma, but price was not the issue, just the rims.
This can be overcome with 18's from green oval experience.
The extra power is so handy offroad, and towing loads. I think economy from what I have read is slightly better.
My wife also convinced me on the 3.0.
Brett.....

[Redback]

Well well the slider bussiness most be doing well:p;)

Go the 3.0l:D

Baz.

[Plane Fixer]

I did not drive the 2.7 but have the 3.0 which I have had for a few weeks now and 7000KM and is awesome. The overtaking power is certainly there and it is economical as well. I for one saved up enough bikkies as the 3.0 was what I wanted from all the comments on this forum and a test drive meant I was in love with it.
Go the 3.0!!
Graeme (another one)

[Disco4SE]

You guessed it......another 3.0Lt fan.
Had the 2.7Lt in the D3 and would never go back.

You can get 17" wheels with the 2.7Lt and 18" with the 3.0Lt. Other than that, I can't think of any other reason to go for the 2.7.

Cheers, Craig.

BTW: $27K for your D3 is crap. Clean it up or get it detailed, then sell it privately

[WhiteD3]

If you're going to tow and can afford it, go the 3.0. If not, go the 2.7 and take the Mrs on a world cruise with the change.

[TerryO]

Just got a trade in price on my 09 D3 of....wait for it.....$24k WTF?


Those mongrels in the dealerships sure know how to rob a bloke but seriously don't worry I'll help out and give you 24.5k just because I'm a good guy who wouldn't want to see a bloke miss out on a new D4. ...:angel: ;)

cheers,
Terry

[d3syd]

Another voice to the chorus. 3.0 litre.

I thought he 2.7 was great in my D3 with adequate power and torque, but the 3.0 is in a different league. I get 1lt/100km better economy too.

[discotwinturbo]

Have a look at redhttp://redbook.com.au/cars/research/used/results'sort=default&N=4294953958%204294843310%204294953958%20429484331 0%202994&eapi=2&vertical=Car&silo=Spec&Range=Year%3a2009%2c2009book:

I wonder why they call them stealers.....

Brett

[Disco3QLD]

Private sale may be the go. My D3 has a few k's on it but that offer was a bit crap.

Dare I say it but I did look at the Cruiser after that:o. It's big but not as nice.

[PaulD68]

Just got a trade in price on my 09 D3 of....wait for it.....$24k WTF?

$24K is crazy. I sold my 09 TDV6 SE a few weeks back. I put it on at the Aus average. It was in great condition had a few extras (DVD etc) but had done over 100K which puts so many people off......when I lived in the UK, there is a saying "100,000 miles on a diesel, its hardly run in". I had to sell by a set date and chopping the price week by week, eventually becoming the cheapest '09 in Aus (lucky buyer!). It still sold for $20K more than you have been offered!!

I changed it for a D4 SDV6..........the power difference is just fantastic and I now get about 0.9Lt/100 better economy...........so eventually it will pay for itself :D

[Guppy]

I too like Craig had a 2.7lt D3 - loved it and had it for a great 5 Years and many great trips. The 3.0lt D4 is really the goods, from the engine point of view.

Private sale is the way to go, I got a fair deal more than $24K but I also got an offer for more than that from my dealer.

Gup

[scarry]

Well,i have to be different:angel:

I see many of you guys have gone from D3 to D4.

I went from D2 to D4,so the 2.7 was a massive jump in power,smoothness,there is just no comparison,and my D2 was chipped.

We don't tow anything,i wanted LT tyres,so the 2.7 suited us,money wasn't really an issue.

In the 18's there still are no LT's unless i go oversize,which i didn't want to do,and we have different type of Qld t/sport rules to most other states.

I did test drive the 3.0l,don't get me wrong,it is fantastic.
With the 8 speed auto,it is going to be even better!

I am really happy with the D4

[vbrab]

It may not be fair to tar all those in the "motor trade" all with the same brush, but generalisations are usually good for the majority.
When I first told a mate (who had owned many Land Rovers), that I was looking to buy one, his one piece of advice was that "there are no honest Land Rover salesmen", so buyer , and seller, beware.

[Disco3QLD]

Well well the slider bussiness most be doing well:p;)

Go the 3.0l:D

Baz.

Yeh good on ya Baz.:lol2: (Not as much in the sliders as you may think).

Land Rover's would be a great car if you didn't have to buy them from Land Rover dealers!

[discojools]

I went from a RRS with the awesome TDV8 to a 2.7 D4 and not really been to disappointed with the 2.7. It's still a smooth and relatively powerfull unit. I have a set of 17s with KM2s as spares and saved 10 grand which I am now using to get a bar and other stuff for the car.
I have never found myself wishing for more power. Maybe if I towed more often I might!
As far as dealers go the one that I use has been pretty good to deal with but hopeless on trade in prices. Sold my previous D3 and RRS privately.

[101RRS]

There is no doubt that the 3.0 has more zoom zoom but the question is it $15K more worth of zoom zoom. Noting that for everyday use a 2.7 with a chip is close to similar on road performance - for sure a 3.0 will still perform better at the extremes but for everyday use there is not much in it and certainly not $15k worth.

Garry

[~Rich~]

I don't know about the D4 2.7 but on the D3 with a remap and using 'Sand mode' it's Bl__d1 quick! :eek:

[Disco3QLD]

There is no doubt that the 3.0 has more zoom zoom but the question is it $15K more worth of zoom zoom. Noting that for everyday use a 2.7 with a chip is close to similar on road performance - for sure a 3.0 will still perform better at the extremes but for everyday use there is not much in it and certainly not $15k worth.

Garry

That's exactly my question, is it $15k's worth. My D3 with the DP chip goes pretty good and to save 1L per 100 will take a lot of driving to earn back and with better tyre options.

The problem now is that I have to go to all of the effort to privately sell and then still have to face the "Stealer" when I have the cash. I really don't have the time or the will. DAM YOU LAND ROVER!:mad:

If LR want to retain dedicated customers they should really do some work on their trade-in pricing. I would have signed up on the day if it was more reasonable.

[gghaggis]

Some things to consider:

A 2.7 ltr chipped is not close to a 3.0 ltr in terms of outright performance
The 3.0 ltr gets you the bigger brake package. Although that limits tyre selection, the braking performance and the off-road traction control is superior.
HDC works better
The 3.0 ltr gets the uprated (stronger) ZF 6HP28 gearbox (cf the ZF 6HP26 for the 2.7)


So it's not _just_ an engine upgrade!

Cheers,

Gordon

[101RRS]

Some things to consider:

A 2.7 ltr chipped is not close to a 3.0 ltr in terms of outright performance
The 3.0 ltr gets you the bigger brake package. Although that limits tyre selection, the braking performance and the off-road traction control is superior.
HDC works better
The 3.0 ltr gets the uprated (stronger) ZF 6HP28 gearbox (cf the ZF 6HP26 for the 2.7)


So it's not _just_ an engine upgrade!

Cheers,

Gordon

But that is not much for $15K - unless a lead foot, performance is not all that better, 2.7 brakes are more than adequate etc etc etc.

No doubting it is better but the question not yet answered is is $15K better.

My take is that it is $5 - $6K better not $15K and with the 2.7 you don't have the second turbo failure issue that is now starting to show up - hope the issue is all fixed under warranty but if proves to be an ongoing issue there will get expensive later on.

Garry

[gghaggis]

The question seemed to be asked citing the engine difference alone - I'm just pointing out that there is more than that, so obviously better value than if just considering 300cc and an extra turbo.

And yes, performance is a LOT better - I had both my chipped 2.7 and the 3.0 ltr for a couple of weeks - no comparison. Perhaps a more aggressive remap would get closer, but do you really want to go that far?

Cheers,

Gordon

[Disco4SE]

Not sure where the $10K came from. When I bought my 3.0Lt, it was $10k dearer than the same spec 2.7Lt.

Yes, I do think my $10K was worth it. No, I'm not a rev head, but do tow quite a bit, and appreciate the effortless power & torque compared to my previous re-mapped D3 2.7Lt. The larger brakes are noticeable and the stronger transmission is good assurance.

Yes, it is an extra $10K (or as you stated Gary, $15K) but you will get the money back when you sell it, as the 3.0Lt will fetch that much more on re-sale.

I do agree that if you are using your vehicle as a shopping cart or doing low Klm's and little towing, the 2.7Lt is certainly adequate.

Cheers, Craig

[Lotz-A-Landies]

It is not only the difference of 300mL or an extra turbo. It is in the sequential nature of the two turbos, the small one spins up FAST giving almost instantaneous boost and before it is running out of puff the larger tubo is coming on. The single turbo is a compromise at both ends of the rev range.

Merely in the test drive between the 2.7 TDV6 and the 3.0 SDV6 you could notice the difference.

In the 2.7 in traffic you have to plan to make a lane change hoping the space will still be there when the boost comes in. With the 3.0 you can just change lanes when you see the space, knowing the boost will arrive almost as soon as you hit the go pedal.

Same thing with hill starts.


Yes I am glad I paid the $10K extra for the SDV6

[gghaggis]

It is not only the difference of 300mL or an extra turbo.

I believe that was the point I was trying to make! It's a package, not "just" 300cc + a turbo.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Lotz-A-Landies]

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The problem now is that I have to go to all of the effort to privately sell and then still have to face the "Stealer" when I have the cash. I really don't have the time or the will. DAM YOU LAND ROVER!:mad:

If LR want to retain dedicated customers they should really do some work on their trade-in pricing. I would have signed up on the day if it was more reasonable.The dealers are in a business selling new cars, to keep used cars on the lot they (not Land Rover) have to give a warranty and still make a margin.

Seeing that you change cars regularly, perhaps you would have been better leasing the car and upgrade at the end of lease instead of paying the residual.

[JamesH]

Don't have anything to contribute but this is a really painful thread to read.

I never tow, do less than 10k a year and have been driving a 300tdi Defender since 2004. Of course the 2.7 will be adequate, and I'll love its performance, but the 3.0 is better.

$15000 is just nasty.

I'm still driving the Defender, I know I want a D4 but this engine issue is really making me unhappy. At least while I sit in sullen frustration doing nothing I'm giving my small mortgage a right seeing to.

(oh, and this voice in me says two months after I bite the bullet and get a 2.7, they'll release a new model with a 3.0 as standard)

[Robocop]

Painful lol..

Got the 3L it's absolutely fantastic, only tow a 6x4 cage trailer to the tip & the very occasional vehicle trailer.. Considered the 2.7, knew I'd always be unhappy, but kind of wished I'd test driven a V8 as well. You can't beat the sound of a TDV8..

[jonesy63]

Considered the 2.7, knew I'd always be unhappy...

Easily fixed - by NEVER test driving the 3L!!! :angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Don't have anything to contribute but this is a really painful thread to read.

<snip>

(oh, and this voice in me says two months after I bite the bullet and get a 2.7, they'll release a new model with a 3.0 as standard)I've only had the SDV6 just over 2 months and the model due out here by the end of the year will have an 8 speed auto.

Perhaps you can convert your Fender with the 2.7 TDV6 out of a Ford Explorer, essentially the same engine, made in the same Ford Dagenham plant and will be a lot cheaper than trying to get the donk our of a wrecked D3/D4/RRs.

[redjcw]

Have had a TDI since 1997 and also a few years back a V8...both gave/give good service.....just picked up a new SE 3.0 D4 after trying both 2.7 and 3.0.........did not have to pay as big a margin as I thought and the 3.0 is so much better IMO. Dealer was indicating that the 2.7 is being dropped shortly...not sure how right he is.....biggest problem with driving it is I can't stop smiling.....:)

[Owen]

Brother is looking to trade his SE D3 V8 on a 3.0 and trade in was appalling.....then the dealer told him to wack another 10,000 kms on it so it did not have to be sold with the statutory warranty and they could pay him an extra $10k.......crazy but they are aiming to cover their arses in the warranty the gov makes them give on old vehicles.

[Learner]

Painful lol..

Got the 3L it's absolutely fantastic, only tow a 6x4 cage trailer to the tip & the very occasional vehicle trailer.. Considered the 2.7, knew I'd always be unhappy, but kind of wished I'd test driven a V8 as well. You can't beat the sound of a TDV8..

Hi Robocop,
There is NO TDV8 for the D4.

[101RRS]

Hi Robocop,
There is NO TDV8 for the D4.

Or the D3

[Mike_S]

And if you're talking about teh 4.4 petrol V8, I'd take the 3.0 SDV6 over that anyday if the week. The diesel's got waaaaay more punch to it.

Driving a TDV8 engined RRS or FFRR is just a recipe for financial ruin though as the *need* for one becomes very strong :p

[Robocop]

I must have the petrol confused with the TDV8 in the RRS. Nah they can keep the petrol I already have a HSV, I thought it was diesel..