My New MY12 Defender 90 is broken already!

[MuzzyDelta90]

Hi Guys,

So far I have had the first 4000 km trouble free with my new 90, but on Saturday it got towed away to the dealers for repairs :(

The engine started sounding really loud - like the windows were all wound down and then the little orange light on the dashboard lit up and the car went into a sort of shutdown mode. I limped to the nearest petrol station and rang the 24 hour Landrover assistance line. They were quite helpful - we tried the electronic reset (where you lock/unlock the doors with the remote 3 times) but that didn't work so they rang for a tow truck.

It sounds like an electronics problem and no doubt when they connect it up to a diagnostic machine they will find the problem. But it was an inconvenient time for it to break down and I am without a car for a few days.

Do any fellow Landy owners know what the problem might be - and is it common?

cheers

Andrew

[Allan]

Could have blown a turbo hose off, seems a common problem.

Allan

[dullbird]

or an EGR failure

[JayBoRover]

No idea but keep us informed. Watching with interest. Good luck.

[Summiitt]

If it happened when the engine was cold or just warming up, it could be an over fueling in the common rail, typically sounds like an engine that has death rattles or an old engine pinging. It happened to me in my puma, turned out to be dirty fuel running thru a cold motor, having said that it's also happened in winter, below freezing point, the engine warning light came on, she went into limp home mode, I turned it off and waited about 10 min and it was as good as gold. On both occasions, the motor was cold or in the process of warming up.

[MuzzyDelta90]

The motor was well and truly warm - been driving for 10 kms or so. I expect to hear from the dealers today and hopefully they have found what the problem is and are able to fix it without too many dramas.

[Yorkie]

But it was an inconvenient time for it to break down and I am without a car for a few days.


surely they gave you a loaner to get around in?, if not i would be pretty peeved off. :mad:

[MuzzyDelta90]

Good news! Just got a phone call from the Dealer at lunch today and they have found the problem and fixed it - apparently it was the turbo hose which had come off. There was also some recall thingy and that was sorted too - pick it up tomorrow after work.

Yorkie, don't know about the loan car - it was towed away on Saturday and it's fixed now. Probably not enough time to sort one - however, I am going to try and get reimbursed for the $50 taxi fare that I paid on Saturday morning to get back home again.

[wannabeexplorer]

Glad you got it sorted!
No such luck for me (with only 200km on the clock and the new car smell evaporating in the dealer's garage)

[isuzurover]

So landrover is still not doing up bolts properly???

[Allan]

Glad its sorted, they need a good pot of vegimite on that section of assembly, as many other sections, a pair of glasses may not go a miss either when you look at the panel fit:wasntme:

Allan

[PAT303]

So landrover is still not doing up bolts properly???

Lucky they don't or you knockers would have nothing to whinge about. Pat

[dullbird]

Lucky they don't or you knockers would have nothing to whinge about. Pat

Thats GOLD!!:D

[isuzurover]

Lucky they don't or you knockers would have nothing to whinge about. Pat

Unlike you and Dullbird (et al.), I am not a POM, so don't require things to complain about.

So - let me get this straight - you think it is fine that LR sell vehicles with hoses not tightened correctly, t-case/handbrake bolts loose, extra nuts/bolts floating round in the roof, etc, etc... ????

Interesting....

[PAT303]

No different to any other manufacturer,I had my TDCi serviced last week and the bloke who does it said better than 3 out of 5 Tojo/Nissans have the uni's in back to front so the nipples can't be greased,the same number have no grease in the drive shafts from new,no oil in diffs/gearbox's,loose wheels,loose suspension mounts,electrics that don't work etc etc,but it's easier to pick on LR. Pat

[goingbush]

Ahhh Yers, I had a brand new Telstra Ford Courier and it had no hose clamp at all on the turbo inlet. Sometime after the first service (they did not twig) the hose must have fell off and I put up with the noise for a while until I stopped & lifted the bonnet to find I could see straight into the turbo !!!

Another time . long long time ago I had a Brand New Telecom Mitsubishi Express L300 (Worst vehicle I EVER had) and was on the Romsey Lancefield road when the oil light came on & momentarily after the engine started rattling.

Found No Sump plug & no oil . No mobile phone in those days either.
got a variety of old spark plugs & a gallon tin of used sump oil from a farmer & forced a spark plug into the hole with a shifter & poured in the sump oil. Made it another 100klm home, engine was replaced shortly after. What a POS that was.

Another Telstra colleague had a pitman arm break off a brand hew Hiace van .

Far as I can tell things like this are not specifically a LandRover problem,
In fact I have never had a Landrover let me down , (something that I could not fix on the side of the road anyway) But I have had to walk & get Towed exclusively in Japanese cars !!!!

[Loubrey]

Not to mention our company's brand new fleet of Patrols and Navarras that spend more time back at Nissan than at work...

Running joke is that we should have bought double the number so that we would have at least half of them at work at the same time!

[dobbo]

No different to any other manufacturer,I had my TDCi serviced last week and the bloke who does it said better than 3 out of 5 Tojo/Nissans have the uni's in back to front so the nipples can't be greased,the same number have no grease in the drive shafts from new,no oil in diffs/gearbox's,loose wheels,loose suspension mounts,electrics that don't work etc etc,but it's easier to pick on LR. Pat


My none Land rover ute, 20+ thousand km's, four months 1 week, two services totaling $520, not one problem.

You do the math

[TimNZ]

My none Land rover ute, 20+ thousand km's, four months 1 week, two services totaling $520, not one problem.

You do the math

20,000km/$520.00 = $0.026/km

2010 110 Defender, 60,000km's, 6 services totaling $0.00, one door rubber replaced under warranty, so:

60,000km/$0.00 = $0.00/km

Cheers,

[isuzurover]

Lucky they don't or you knockers would have nothing to whinge about. Pat

To add to my previous post - contrary to your assertion, I would love it if LR would make a vehicle that I could bring myself to buy...

FWIW, my immediate family have bought several new (Australian and Japanese) vehicles in the past few years - all of which have done high km... I can only recall one failure under warranty, a fuel guage. No parts fell off or were found to be loose - ever.

[dobbo]

20,000km/$520.00 = $0.026/km

2010 110 Defender, 60,000km's, 6 services totaling $0.00, one door rubber replaced under warranty, so:

60,000km/$0.00 = $0.00/km

Cheers,

Also $20k cheaper and I won't be paying that in service costs. Like Ben I just wish the new defender was built like our county's. Seems they were the last of a dying breed.

[TimNZ]

Like Ben I just wish the new defender was built like our county's.

That's a fair point, (however the gap would probably be greater than 20k!). I do miss my County, but I couldn't live with it for 1000km/week like I can with the TDCi.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Also $20k cheaper and I won't be paying that in service costs. Like Ben I just wish the new defender was built like our county's. Seems they were the last of a dying breed.

The County's weren't that well built, the survivors have just had 20+ years to be sorted. For example many have a problem where the front driver's side coil spring rubs on the chassis. That's pretty dodgy. And they all elongate the lower front shock mount holes. Of the 5 housings i've seen this year, all have had this issue. The steering boxes are weak compared to Defenders. Shouldn't mention the Isuzu habit of lunching gearboxes either.

But when that lump fires up, you sedately drive lines that others baulk at, well, it's a County thing :cool:

[DeanoH]

....................................So - let me get this straight - you think it is fine that LR sell vehicles with hoses not tightened correctly, t-case/handbrake bolts loose, extra nuts/bolts floating round in the roof, etc, etc... ????

Interesting....

No, just normal :angel:

My first Landy was a 1966 SIIA which I bought very second hand in 1973. It still had the plug in the tail shaft sliding joint that was supposed to be removed and replaced with a grease nipple at the first service!!!:o:(.


Deano:)

[PAT303]

My none Land rover ute, 20+ thousand km's, four months 1 week, two services totaling $520, not one problem.

You do the math

Maybe you should bring your non LR ute into the outback,you know the place you never go too and see how well it is then,my TDCi has 25k of it and going fine,but I'm sick of these bull**** threads about the defender being no good by people who don't own one and live in the city. Pat

[dobbo]

Maybe you should bring your non LR ute into the outback,you know the place you never go too and see how well it is then,my TDCi has 25k of it and going fine,but I'm sick of these bull**** threads about the defender being no good by people who don't own one and live in the city. Pat

Yep, my Ute has never seen dirt.;)

[djam1]

Dirt is the least of your worries try the Pilbara there is a bit of dirt separating the rocks occasionally.

[MuzzyDelta90]

Picked up the Defender yesterday and it's as good as new - apparently there was a recall and they replaced the steering pump bracket.

The discussion on faults in new cars reminds me of an English magazine on classic cars I read a few years back and a guy had bought a brand new Rover car (a P6 from memory - mid 70's Rover with the 3.5 litre V8) - he had approx 150,000 miles on it when it started playing up and took it in to get fixed - apparently he hadn't any services done to it, ever! The oil which was still the original was sludge and the push rods had worn out, hence the troubles - apparently they just couldn't believe you could run an engine that long without a service! They just don't build Rovers like they used to!

[Judo]

Unfortunately I think it's standard procedure to send vehicles out with minor issues these days. Land Rover and others included. A guy at work here just bought a new Jeep Wrangler and it's been back for mechanical issues 3 times now and I think he's only done about 10,000kms. Last visit was a new gearbox! He's been happy with the service once he gets back to the dealer, but every time - just like Land Rover - their comments are similar to, "Oh yeah, it's a known issue. We'll fix that up.".

If it's known, why aren't they fixing these things BEFORE selling the vehicle!! Must be frustrating. (I've never owned a new vehicle). That's just how manufacturers operate these days...

[Loubrey]

Picked up the Defender yesterday and it's as good as new - apparently there was a recall and they replaced the steering pump bracket.



Good to hear it's all worked out in the end!

Regardless of the long winded wining about "They don't build them like they used to..." Land Rover remains one of the few marques that actually honour waranty completely on their vehicles for the full period.

We have brand new minespec vehicles in all the major brands with the majoroty from Nissan and we have "new car problems" with every single brand.

The big diference is that none of them are able to or are willing to repair these issues under waranty. Every single incidence is a long winded excuse why they don't think its due to manufacture defect but rather user abuse. If you do manage to push them into a corner on the repair, they take 2 to 3 weeks to fix the most basic issues.

[PAT303]

My none Land rover ute, 20+ thousand km's, four months 1 week, two services totaling $520, not one problem.

You do the math

I did,in three years time my 60K defender will have 80% resale value,your 'olden ute will have 25 maybe 30% if your lucky. Pat

[MuzzyDelta90]

Despite the inconvenience of my new car breaking down - the Dealers and Land Rover couldn't have been more helpful. Once I had pulled over into a petrol station, I rang the 24 hr Land Rover assistance line - they were very helpful and it was eventually towed away to the nearest dealer which was Alto in Artarmon, Sydney. Got a call from the service people on Monday asking the usual questions about what was wrong and they rang back on Tuesday to say it was all fixed and ready to go. No dramas whatsoever, mind you, the intercooler hose was probably an easy fix and they did the recall fix on the bracket at the same time. If I have any other troubles and this is what I am to expect, then I shouldn't have any complaints.

[MuzzyDelta90]

A guy at work here just bought a new Jeep Wrangler and it's been back for mechanical issues 3 times now and I think he's only done about 10,000kms. Last visit was a new gearbox! He's been happy with the service once he gets back to the dealer, ".

I might be blaspheming here, but I was seriously considering buying a Jeep Wrangler - what changed my mind in the end was the fact that you have to spend a lot of money just to get the suspension halfway decent for off-roading. Apparently, they build them as cheap as they can and the suspension isn't as strong as it should be. Also, they are pretty terrible to drive. However, with the family history of Rover cars, and having owned a Series II Discovery before, plus the great deal on the Defender 90's coupled to a novated lease and there was just no contest. I just love the 90 - it's such a fun vehicle, great retro styling and so functional. Plus I can't believe how easy it is to park in the city - it's way shorter than my previous car, a Honda Accord - the 90 will fit into just about any space, making it a great city vehicle too.

[dobbo]

I did,in three years time my 60K defender will have 80% resale value,your 'olden ute will have 25 maybe 30% if your lucky. Pat

Considering you do so many km's of outback travel why are you only accumulating 20k pa? Got nowhere to drive to in Newman?

No based on it's current km's in 3 yrs my car will have 180000km's + on it and who gives a crap about resale value or what is? It's not an Aston Martin. Fact is I drive this vehicle a lot and I as well as others cannot trust a modern day defender to cope with that amount of km's. TD5 or earlier, any day of the week. Puma no.

[PAT303]

Oh yeh as Holdens are renowned for solid reliability and never breaking down. Pat

[dobbo]

Oh yeh as Holdens are renowned for solid reliability and never breaking down. Pat

It wasn't built by Holden, and from my experience Isuzu's tend to be very reliable. Besides with an option of two dealer networks available to maintain said car. I would have loved to get another Land Rover, 5 out of the last 7 cars I have bought have been from the marque, but I simply do not have the confidence in the marques lineup at this present time. I do not feel that I am alone in this.

[DeanoH]

Considering you do so many km's of outback travel why are you only accumulating 20k pa? Got nowhere to drive to in Newman? ..................................
.

What a strange observation.

My impression is that Pat has more than one 4WD, maybe even access to a work vehicle. Always the best sort to do long country Km's in as the cost is picked up by the employer :D.
To me 20K pa doesn't seem so bad for country leisure cruising when working full time. I mean averaging 400 Km per week, every week enjoying your 4WD I would have thought most people would have envied ? But I dont live in ...'Close enough to their Shire to smell the dirty Hobbit feet', wherever that might be, so I can't really say.

As to Newman, I can understand that those ignorant of the region may consider its remoteness to be a negative. In fact its 'remoteness' means that a resident doesn't have to drive as far to 'get away from it all', something urban or urban fringe dwellers unfortunately must do to enjoy the 'bliss' of the bush or outback.

Newmans closeness to the pristine Oakover River area, Carawine/Upper Carawine Gorge with historic Gold minining regions to the North and Australias second largest National Park to the East along with the beauty and challenge of the historic CSR make it a great place to be from a 4WD touring perespective. In Newman you don't have to drive to the area you want to visit, you're already there.:) But I'm biased, I've been there.


Deano:)

[goingbush]

Considering you do so many km's of outback travel why are you only accumulating 20k pa? Got nowhere to drive to in Newman?

No based on it's current km's in 3 yrs my car will have 180000km's + on it and who gives a crap about resale value or what is? It's not an Aston Martin. Fact is I drive this vehicle a lot and I as well as others cannot trust a modern day defender to cope with that amount of km's. TD5 or earlier, any day of the week. Puma no.

While were going from OT to MS I wonder how much of the crap you hear about LandRovers being unreliable & Jap stuff being legendary is based on personal experience or heresay !!

Generally if a Toyota or Nissan owner has a problem they keep quiet about it, Its like a secret society that does not want the bad word to get out.

As I said before Ive never had a LR let me down to the extent that I could not fix it on the road & What has let me down is a piece of Legendary Jap Crap with a Timing Belt, For me the Td5 is so much better simply because it has a Chain instead of a rubber band to drive the engines most critical functions.

There is nothing you can't do yourself on the side of the road to fix a Td5.

heres some happy snaps

This is the only time in 32 years of 4x4ing that Ive ever had to be towed. I got $1000 for the 80 series at the Broome wreckers, ( it had 4 bent valves & holes in two pistons) & had to buy another one at the Toyota dealer to finish the trip with, Lesson Learned only LandRovers from now on.

http://goingbush.com/landy/1hz.jpg
http://goingbush.com/landy/ot.jpg

[isuzurover]

...

As I said before Ive never had a LR let me down to the extent that I could not fix it on the road & What has let me down is a ... Timing Belt, ...


I could say the same until I bought a 300Tdi (with a timing belt) - however is was the head gasket that let me down...

[dobbo]

I never stated I prefer Japanese vehicles. I do however believe that keeping a vehicle as simple as possible is a necessity. Electronic driving aids give people with no experience a false sense of their limited abilities. Timing belts don't just explode, how many km's had it done?

[goingbush]

I never stated I prefer Japanese vehicles. I do however believe that keeping a vehicle as simple as possible is a necessity. Electronic driving aids give people with no experience a false sense of their limited abilities. Timing belts don't just explode, how many km's had it done?

The timing belt (& tensioner kit) was replaced 20,000 klm prior, by a proper diesel repair centre (the one & Only time I never did it myself too).

I hear what you say about electronic driving aids too - nothing beats driving skill & picking the right line. Tho Traction Control is nice I would never want to see a knob on a Defender dashboard saying "sand - mud - snow - steep " that would be disgusting !!

[sashadidi]

It wasn't built by Holden, and from my experience Isuzu's tend to be very reliable. Besides with an option of two dealer networks available to maintain said car. I would have loved to get another Land Rover, 5 out of the last 7 cars I have bought have been from the marque, but I simply do not have the confidence in the marques lineup at this present time. I do not feel that I am alone in this.

These people had confidence in a Puma to go all the way through Africa from the Uk and it survived so cannot be all bad!!!!!
Vehicle Modifications : Gap Year 4x4 (http://www.gapyear4x4.com/vehicle-preparation/vehicle-modifications/)

[ATH]

I have a mate who with his wife has driven about 100K since buying his Puma in 2007.
Not a good year for Pumas apparently but he's had no problems, very good service from the stealer (Barbagallo) and they travel through many remote areas on their own.
Their experience has been one of the reasons I've returned from the darkside plus I detest keep having to polish scratches out of the Prados plastic bits!!!:D
Happy motoring.
AlanH.

[newlandyowner]

Boss buys an 80 series, a few weeks later I get my Disco 2.
Boss gives me weeks of "Land Rover jokes". "You've made a mistake" etc.

2 months later, 80 series drops a valve, $5.5k later, engine rebuilt.

I dont get anymore Land Rover jokes from him, in fact he asks me how the disco is going.

"Still on the original engine" I reply every time.

The look on his face is worth $5.5k I reckon.

[dullbird]

Unlike you and Dullbird (et al.), I am not a POM, so don't require things to complain about.So - let me get this straight - you think it is fine that LR sell vehicles with hoses not tightened correctly, t-case/handbrake bolts loose, extra nuts/bolts floating round in the roof, etc, etc... ????

Interesting....

Excuse me what exactly am I whinging about, and why are you attacking me???:mad:...I just thought his comment was funny which it was!!!! Something which is very lacking on this site lately...many of you all take yourselves a little bit to seriously and need to LTFU, Aulro used to be the place to come for a good laugh with like minded people, I'm not sure what happened!!!!

your out of order Ben there is no need for it.

[djam1]

Excuse me what exactly am I whinging about, and why are you attacking me???:mad:...I just thought his comment was funny which it was!!!! Something which is very lacking on this site lately...many of you all take yourselves a little bit to seriously and need to LTFU, Aulro used to be the place to come for a good laugh with like minded people, I'm not sure what happened!!!!

your out of order Ben there is no need for it.

Agreed there have been many examples of Ill humored bad manners on the site of late.
Whats happening its taken a real downturn.

[isuzurover]

Excuse me what exactly am I whinging about, and why are you attacking me???:mad:...I just thought his comment was funny which it was!!!! Something which is very lacking on this site lately...many of you all take yourselves a little bit to seriously and need to LTFU, Aulro used to be the place to come for a good laugh with like minded people, I'm not sure what happened!!!!

your out of order Ben there is no need for it.

Dullbird - it was a JOKE - I think we all (myself included) could do with lightening up and having a laugh.

FFS, if "whinging pom" jokes are banned on here, next thing you know we won't be allowed to call Dougal a "sheep shagger" (?you are a pom???)

:D

That is the problem with the internet - it is very hard to transmit the sentiment of posts without emoticons...

[Judo]

Don't forget, Aussies are all exported British criminals. ;) Which makes me think..... Imagine trying to use a Defender as a getaway in a bank robbery. Flawless plan.

[BigJon]

Don't forget, Aussies are all exported British criminals. ;)
.

Think again, most South Aussies are descended from free settlers, not the riff raff like the other states! :p:twisted:

[dullbird]

Then please if it is a joke use the emoticon because that's wht helps get text over in the right context.....the way the thread was going and the way it was written including lots of these????? Did not read as a joke at all!!

I can. Take whining Pom jokes hell I have lived here for 6 years and I hear it almost daily :eek:

The way the thread was reading the lack of emoticons in your reply and the fact that you named me and pat direct yes I did take offense. More so because I have been attacked by other members in a similar manor before and they meant it.

Still onwards and upwards lets get back to rovering I think life's to short to sit here debating.:)


Dullbird - it was a JOKE - I think we all (myself included) could do with lightening up and having a laugh.

FFS, if "whinging pom" jokes are banned on here, next thing you know we won't be allowed to call Dougal a "sheep shagger" (?you are a pom???)

:D

That is the problem with the internet - it is very hard to transmit the sentiment of posts without emoticons...

[miker]

only some.....

[Scouse]

I can. Take whining Pom jokes hell I have lived here for 6 years and I hear it almost daily :eek:

I didn't think Ian was that mean to you :(.

[isuzutoo-eh]

I didn't think Ian was that mean to you :(.

Naah she's standing in front of her mirror making jokes at her reflection's expense. Best not explain how mirrors work :p

Oh wait, Lou's a pom not a blonde :angel:

[tomalophicon]

Don't forget, Aussies are all exported British criminals. ;) Which makes me think..... Imagine trying to use a Defender as a getaway in a bank robbery. Flawless plan.

Did the English export the black fellas here too? :o

[dobbo]

Did the English export the black fellas here too? :o

No the tel co's have done that. ;)

[Flyingbluepiranha]

Hi Andrew,

My turbo pipe fell off 25 minutes after I drove it out the showroom. The dealer called me a taxi and the tow truck and gave me a brand new Freelander for the rest of the weekend and the Monday while it was fixed. The reason it came off - hose fited at an angle which under pressure did not have the strength to hold it's self on. It needs to sit at 90 degrees.

At around 4,000km I had another engine shut down whilst driving. This time the temp had shot right up and on investigation I found a cooling system hose had a hole in it. Again, on a Saturday morning the tow truck came and this time I was given a brand new Evoque for the weekend - the wife was pleased, maybe even more so this time! The reason for this fail was the clip holding the hose underneath was sitting with it's tightener on top of it's pipe instead of underneath and had been rubbing on the other. I will try to picture the pipe so you can check yours to make sure it wont happen to you someday.

Where the two roof panels meet, just behind the drivers door the filler has dried out and cracked. I also have a rust spot on the bottom right hand corner of the rear door. And, there is a leek into the cabin just on the right drivers foot. It's going into the garage once more for a whole new windscreen seal and to the body shop to fix and repaint the rest and roof. This I'm told will be a big job taking up to a week to complete. They have arranged a car for me in it's place once again.

The dealer has been excellent in every case. No questions, just solutions and a replacement car within minutes everytime. I can't give them any more praise they have been great.

Other than that everything seems to be OK, for now!!!

[MuzzyDelta90]

FlyingBlue Pirana

I haven't had any more problems with it since - it's now up to 8,000 km and the engine is settling in nicely. Of course it might be a bit too soon to say anything, but am more than happy with it.

[discojools]

Yeah have had the same hose probs as FlyingBluePirahna so I reckon our 90s were built on the same day and the hose fitter was having a bad day! All good now just ready for 10k service when I get back from UK next week.. Gonna get some seat covers while I'm here and maybe a couple of other bits.

[Didge]

Time for some Land Rover jokes to lighten the mood:
Land Rover and BMW did a test to see which car was the most airtight.
So BMW and LR locked a cat in a both a 3 series and a Defender and came back a couple of days later to see how the cats fared. The cat in the BMW died from asphyxiation and they couldn't find the cat that was in the Defender.
How do you know your Landy has run out of oil - it has stopped leaking. etc.
b-boom :)

[Defender Mike]

I skipped a lot of this after it started to degenerate but I did ask the dealer service manager a couple of weeks back about the turbo hose problem. He asked me how many k's had I done 6000 I told him, "well" he said "if was going to fall off it would have by now" and the letter we sent you about being due for a service just disregard it as you get free service but only after 10,000ks. :o
On another different note has anyone else noticed that our 90's are apreciating in value yes they are going up in price mine is now worth around 5 grand more than I paid for it . This is the only vehicle I know that gains value after you drive off the showrooom floor. Check carsales .com .:)

Mike

[Sue]

I skipped a lot of this after it started to degenerate but I did ask the dealer service manager a couple of weeks back about the turbo hose problem. He asked me how many k's had I done 6000 I told him, "well" he said "if was going to fall off it would have by now" and the letter we sent you about being due for a service just disregard it as you get free service but only after 10,000ks. :o
On another different note has anyone else noticed that our 90's are apreciating in value yes they are going up in price mine is now worth around 5 grand more than I paid for it . This is the only vehicle I know that gains value after you drive off the showrooom floor. Check carsales .com .:)

Mike

Not according to my insurance company.. the 'quotes' I received today for next years insurance (it never hurts to shop around) are valuing the car at about half of what I paid for it when it was brand new- less than a year ago!

And how did you swindle a free service from them lol.. They quoted me an exorbitant price for my first service which was actually a shock as every other new car that we've owned has had a first free service from the dealer.. :)

[Didge]

Exactly Sue, not that I have a new one. When I bought my old 96 Deefer a few years ago, I could only get it insured for $1500 less than I paid and I could sell it for more now (based on ads I've seen). I think the insurance companies look at Redbook too often and are guided by national averages (Deefers are cheaper in SA and WA from what I've seen) :)

[Defender Mike]

Not according to my insurance company.. the 'quotes' I received today for next years insurance (it never hurts to shop around) are valuing the car at about half of what I paid for it when it was brand new- less than a year ago!

And how did you swindle a free service from them lol.. They quoted me an exorbitant price for my first service which was actually a shock as every other new car that we've owned has had a first free service from the dealer.. :)

I did a corporate deal 3 years free service & free rubber matts . I also got the 5 grand discount when they went down to $39,990 drive away. They are back up to 44 g's now and used dealers in Perth are trying to flog a 2010 with 46,000ks for $44,000. Second hand 2012 ...90's with the leather and saw tooth mags goingfor $52,000 .
I would argue with your insurance company I had to do the same with my disco and my SS ute both went on agreed value.
Mike:)

[First90]

I did a corporate deal 3 years free service & free rubber matts . I also got the 5 grand discount when they went down to $39,990 drive away. They are back up to 44 g's now and used dealers in Perth are trying to flog a 2010 with 46,000ks for $44,000. Second hand 2012 ...90's with the leather and saw tooth mags goingfor $52,000 .
I would argue with your insurance company I had to do the same with my disco and my SS ute both went on agreed value.
Mike:)

Mike I did the same corporate deal and it seems pretty comprehensive in terms of scheduled servicing inclusions.

You have to be really careful with insurance and market value calls for defenders. The insurance companies right the market value down hard as they have the average per annum kays for defenders at 30,000. Even though my 2010 only has 15,000 (all off road) they were trying to tell me its worth nothing.

[lardy]

Dirt is the least of your worries try the Pilbara there is a bit of dirt separating the rocks occasionally.

I would go with that, if anyone wants to test tyres or vehicles send em too us up here.
A trip to millstream in between graders should sort out the men from the boys and that isn't even that hard!
I am proudly still driving my 130 300tdi defender no air con no refinement,it could be fourty degrees dust galore, it does still what it was designed to do and touch wood, the only thing to go crook on it, the wiper grub screw came loose and the threw the wiper onto the bonnet and the rear hub flange might need changing as it intermittently starts to leak.
They are on a par or surpasse much of the other brands if only for character and basic ruggedness


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[Sue]

I would argue with your insurance company I had to do the same with my disco and my SS ute both went on agreed value.
Mike:)

Oh they will be hearing from me that's for sure.. currently the owed value of the car is more than the proposed insurance value.. :(