Discovery 1, Camry 0

[clubagreenie]

At 0720 this morning a non male person of sub-continental descent decided that a octagonal red sign with a certain 4 letters on it didn't apply to her and drove in to the side of my stationary D2.

Resulting damage, front bar bent in, ding in guard and door, step/slider scratched. panhard & track rods and drag links bananna'd. Possibly damaged rim and radius arm, steering box now leaking, front tailshaft possibly damaged due to axle now sits 6" to the right (inside edge of D/side wheel now almost in line with outer edge of guard).

Drivable around the corner to the in laws where I was headed anyway, but gets towed tomorrow. Other driver decides it's more important she makes her meeting despite green puddle on ground, lights hanging over bumper/missing and bonnet not really being held down by anything much more than art.

So pics to follow, Assessment as well, should result in "upgraded" replacement parts being fitted, incl hopefully cranked arms as they won't be able to sort out the wheel alignment castor due to the "bend" as a result of the accident.

[seano87]

I want to see a picture of this six-sided red sign with 4 letters on it! I've only seen 8 sided red signs!! :P




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[digger]

I want to see a picture of this six-sided red sign with 4 letters on it! I've only seen 8 sided red signs!! :P




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Sean, he is in SIDDENNEY , they do things differently there!! :P

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"Cluba"
I hope that the "non male person of sub-continental descent" said sorry!

Glad your OK.
Cant wait for pics


Digger

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

i hope the chassis didn't move. rotten bad luck, bloody toyota drivers

[clubagreenie]

No sorry, went to great pains to point out that despite them t boning me that I hit her. A great feat I thought.

[loanrangie]

So you flew down the road and did a handbrakey and slid sideways into the front of her car , you sir need to be congratulated for that amazing feat of driving :p.
I would say with that damage its more like Camry 1 disco 0.

[Yorkie]

good to hear your ok, thats really all that counts in these situations.
hope you get it back on the road soon. :)

[clubagreenie]

good to hear your ok, thats really all that counts in these situations.
hope you get it back on the road soon. :)

Well for a sub 20km/h crash the damage list is pretty high. Cosmetically just door and guard but underneath..

At least I listed specifics of the "raised suspension" option in the insurance so they'll replace with new same or new like for like components. Moved the diff enough to also damage the front tailshaft

[shorty943]

I want to see a picture of this six-sided red sign with 4 letters on it! I've only seen 8 sided red signs!! :P




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Seano, octagonal IS 8 sides, you thinking of Hexagonal, that is 6 sided.


Cluba, damned bad luck mate, hope the Landy gets better soon.

[clubagreenie]

So after discussion with assessor I can make a list of the replacement parts and sources, or best option if original upgraded replacement parts aren't available.

So I need a local source for HD Panhard & track rods and drag link. Possible (hopefully) radius arms (3deg corrected). Shock upgrade, depending on if the lower pins are damaged. The diff is far enough to the right to have pushed the LH spring against the chassis. Also need new snorkel as the bolts pulled from the original, new LH guard and LH door skin (depending on how they want to fix).

If the diff itself is damaged might be time for a D1 retrograde.

[seano87]

Seano, octagonal IS 8 sides, you thinking of Hexagonal, that is 6 sided.


Cluba, damned bad luck mate, hope the Landy gets better soon.

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[clubagreenie]

Sorry, had to be done...

Towed today. Left at the assessment centre after they wouldn't let me speak to an assessor about the replacement modded stuff I took the keys. Not half an hour later they called to ask if I had them. I said they could have them when I had a name and confirmed mobile number for an assessor supervisor I could call back to set up a meeting with on Monday morning. So that all happened and went well, meeting at 0900 Monday.

Then called back asking for the keys as it's parked (quite intentionally by the towie, he said it would get their attention) in the most inconvenient place where the trucks would have to take a double turn through the centre to get around. Had to pick up kids from school so couldn't get back before they closed. Most unfortunate.

On a brighter note I need to make a list of parts and part numbers of suitable replacement parts that I can tell need replacing and we'll compare on Monday and see how it goes. A pity they'll never get it aligned properly without castor correction. Must have damaged those radius arms too.

[clubagreenie]

So today's meeting with the assessor went well. I get to make a list of what's required, part no's and suppliers. Have so far found that it's cheaper, and not to mention months quicker to buy direct from overseas and I can get stuff that the local importers don't carry. So next week visit panel beater, organise new front bar and snorkel, fitting, refinishing and painting.

Question, going for an xrox bar as they are the most readily available and my personal favourite for looks. have so far only seen them in black, if I have the option, what do you all think of getting it color coded?

[bigcarle]

can i ask... are you insured by NoRMA???????

[boofdtl]

No good with out pics

[clubagreenie]

Body damage wise there's not much to take pics of. Insurance with AAMI, Apart from taking a week to get to speak to someone who has half a clue and will listen to what it takes to return the car back to it's previous state. I can see some unfortunates ending up with half 'n half suspension from instances such as these.

[clubagreenie]

OK Pics.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/745.jpg

Door/guard damage

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/746.jpg

Panhard Rod.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/747.jpg

Lower front guard and Bar Corner. Bar creased at corner.

Wheel took a good hit. Probably needs replacing plus hub/bearing assy.

[clubagreenie]

So met with the panel beater today. They asked on behalf on the insurance company if I would consider taking a cheque to pay out for the repairs/components.

There's two possible scenarios from todays meeting.

One, they can avoid dealing with multiple repairers (panel beater/mechanic/suspension specialist/tyre service). They asked for a more detailed listing of repairs and parts required, plus labour costings for same.

Two, just pay out a statutory write off. If it is a stat w/o whats the deal with keeping the remains (have seen details before of not at fault being paid out and also keeping the wreck).

Hopefully I can get together a comprehensive list to cover everything I need and then get paid for it (plus fitting) and also keep the car as well.

So in parts I'm getting new QT arms/links etc Will try to get some watts link arms thrown in as well (supplier?). Probably need to overhaul if not replace the steering box. New snorkel, safari or mantec? Experiences/recommendations?

I'm open to all recommendations and suggestions

Thanks

J

[isuzurover]

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Two, just pay out a statutory write off. If it is a stat w/o whats the deal with keeping the remains (have seen details before of not at fault being paid out and also keeping the wreck).

...

Stat write off: Some insurance companies (not many) will allow you to buy the wreck direct, others you will have to go to auction and bid.

It will be deregistered and you will need to jump through hoops to reregister. (inspections and $$$).

Best to be avoided if possible IMHO.

[THE BOOGER]

Is this your insurance company or hers? if hers hit her for every thing you can and small claims at court if she argues you dont have to accept anything from her insurance company and they have no authority to write off your car:)

[clubagreenie]

Is this your insurance company or hers? if hers hit her for every thing you can and small claims at court if she argues you dont have to accept anything from her insurance company and they have no authority to write off your car:)

This gets tricky. Claiming on her insurance but we're under the same company. So technically while it's the same company, claiming against her insurance I can take her for the full cost of repairs and still keep the car?

[Redback]

You can't re-register write offs in NSW anymore, once it has been written off that's it.

Baz.

[THE BOOGER]

Bugger yep gets tricky but if they make an offer as her insurance you dont have to accept remember your claim for damages is against her not the insurance if the offer is less than the cost of repairs you can claim the rest from her directly via a statment of liqidated claim from the court it will cost about $50 dollars then about the same for the sherriffs to deliver it that gives her 21 days to pay up. Send all you paperwork to her in her name try not to deal with the company unless they contact you direct. Remember they are after the cheapest fix they can get.

If you dont make a claim against your insurance policy they are only representing her so you should be able to keep your car

[clubagreenie]

Well theres no mention of write off. Just easing the pressure at their end of sourcing parts (potentially from o/s) and fitting stuff that's potentially over their heads. But it gives me the option of selecting exactly what gets done and adding upgrades that work out cheaper than OEM.

So panel work is a no brainer, barring, safari or mantec snorkel?
Repair bar or replace with xrox?

[THE BOOGER]

My son (firefox) has an xrox on his d1 looks good and takes a hit pretty well too:D

[THE BOOGER]

If the insurance is willing to front up sufficent cash and let you organise the repairs then go for it and get what is needed to do the job right:D

[clubagreenie]

So apart from a repairer who didn't want to complete the quote. Wanted to leave stuff on that wasn't required, and not add stuff that was. I eventually took the car back and thanks to Erich/Bundalene for a princely sum I had it back to std and took it for a wheel alignment to check to see what extra damage their may be (bent diffs/steering knuckles etc) all is ok. The wheel alignment is within 2% accuracy, but the steering box drop arm is bent (quite a feat) and the sector shaft is twisted about 30deg.

So got a report from them detailing what was replaced, what still needed to be replaced and pricing (parts/labour). Insurance has adjusted the final payout to include a new steering box, front tailshaft, and all the other bits, plus labour, final payout for mechanicals $8600- plus panel repairs paid directly to (another) repairer. It seems that the one who did the quote didn't like a customer who had an opinion and spoke to the assessor and an assessor who wanted details on the quote. So 10hours of personal running around over the last two days got the job done. The repairer tried to stand over me, physically pushed me out the door and threatened me not to come back "or else" and if he saw me again he'd "make sure that my police and claim were cancelled and he'd report me for fraudulently claiming non existent repairs" Don't know how when the assessor has pics of the damage and we're now on a first name basis.

Spoke to the insurance co about it, they are now off the preferred repairer list and have also been reported to the insurance industry ombudsman by both me and insurance. Expecting $$$ in the next few days and then it's a spending spree on the D2.

So listing in no particular order:
QT 3deg radius arms.
QT drag link, panhard rod and track rod.
QT engine mounts & spare bushes.
QT diff guards.
Snorkel Safari or Mantec (Recomendations?).
Woods F & R tailshafts.
1" coil spacers.
Extended stainless brake lines.
Pair new front hubs.
Set 5 Ku Alloys rims (road).
Set 6 Steel Rims (off).
Watts link arms.
2 sets new tyres. Road plus trying some Federal M/T's recomended and getting a good price (comments?)

[Disco Muppet]

Good to see its all starting to work out for you! :D



Snorkel Safari or Mantec (Recomendations?).
)

Depends. If you want wading, i'd say Safari. Dusty roads, Mantec. Both?
Go the Safari. But in the end, it all comes down to your opinion.
Hope this helps :D
Cheers
Muppet

[clubagreenie]

Mantec is 225pound shipped, safari 550-$ plus fitting.

Was also thinking of the validity of all HD stuff in the steering vs keeping a std unit in somewhere as a "fuse" so something can give rather than take everything out again. Probably the drag link, if it goes it has negligible effects, smallest to carry a spare. Protects the steering box from mega damage as well. Got it out last night and the drop arm literally twisted off the spline and the shaft is visibly twisted.

[wrinklearthur]

Curious

I was wondering how did the other drivers car end up?

I do realise that after what has happened, you may not care to know.

On that repairer, good on you, there are too many about like him, you must have got too close to the truth for him to act that way towards you.
.

[clubagreenie]

Yes, the repairer. turns out afdter looking over the quote he's overquoted for his work by about 2K. Ins contacted me today, investigating now but charging 2hours for "lifting/jacking", 6 hours for bonnet remove/replace (not damaged, necessary in scope of work) etc etc...

The other drivers car (late 80's camry), not too bad as it was a square hit in the fronr, pair of guards, bonnet, lights, grille. Maybe a rad etc but a day at the wreckers should see you come home with all the parts in the right color faded red. Fixed a mates skyline that was worse with nothing to bend back straight. Dropped in to see her and she's fine, her husband is planning on fixing it for their kid. Already bought her a new pulsar. Was going to offer her a 'k to throw to fixing it and since I was so well off but since she's gone new...

[clubagreenie]

And now....

(drum roll)

She's claiming I hit her. Got home from holiday to mailbox full of paperwork for me to fill out and pics to draw outlining why I shouldn't be held responsible. Seems That being hit in the side with no damage to the front isn't enough.

[Blknight.aus]

been there....

feel your pain but....

Finally... its happened to someone else...

[clubagreenie]

.... and there's no no thanks button...

[Geedublya]

And now....

(drum roll)

She's claiming I hit her. Got home from holiday to mailbox full of paperwork for me to fill out and pics to draw outlining why I shouldn't be held responsible. Seems That being hit in the side with no damage to the front isn't enough.

I could see this coming.
Reminds me of the time my mother stopped behind a stationary car which then proceeded to reverse into us, they claimed we hit them from behind and it came down to our word against theirs.
Fortunately for you they hit your side.
I have dealt with people like this before and they will lie and cheat with no conscience to save a few bucks.

[Disco Muppet]

And now....

(drum roll)

She's claiming I hit her. Got home from holiday to mailbox full of paperwork for me to fill out and pics to draw outlining why I shouldn't be held responsible. Seems That being hit in the side with no damage to the front isn't enough.

I can just imagine how that would play out in court.
"So madam, you claim the driver of the LandRover hit you?"
"Yes, that's correct"
"Madam, given that the damage indicates the opposite, could you explain how this occured?"
"Well, I was approaching a stop sign and i-"
"Did you stop at the stop sign?"
"....yes"
"So, the driver of the LandRover managed to hit your vehicle head on with the side of his vehicle, despite you being outside his line of travel"
".........uhmm....yes, I guess so"
"So, madam, are you suggesting my client was performing traveling 360 degree spins, which caused him to turn into the street where you had stopped, thus hitting your vehicle?"
"uhm.....yes"
"No further questions your honour"
:D:D:D
She has no chance mate. Good luck with it all!
Cheers
Muppet

[THE BOOGER]

I,m guessing the letters are from the insurance company:( did it get reported to the police at the time cant see it in the thread anywhere:(

[clubagreenie]

I certainly reported it, she refused since apparently you don't need to. She's probably hoping I didn't and can use it somehow.

I had a similar thing the night before my wedding. A kid on a pushbike somehow rode across 5 lanes of traffic on a major Sydney arterial road and hit the drivers door rolling up and over the car, car stopped with the bike jammed under it. Cops etc all turned up, dragged the kid off to hospital. Months later, a guy knocks on the door delivering a letter of demand for damages and medical costs. Apparently we hit him. An investigator came around to look at the car (still wasn't fixed) and just laughed. Went back to the kid and gave him a letter of demand for the damages to the car.