Runout 2.7 D4

[scarry]

So the 2.7D4 is on run out,what is it's replacement,does anyone know?
A poverty pack 3.0l,maybe detuned?

[ash333]

Spoke to a dealer earlier this week. I was unable to get a definite answer however the following options were given:

1. Detuned version of the 3.0l. They may also increase power on the existing 3.0l to increase the gap between the 2 engines

2. Fit the diesel engine from the Evoque. Possibly with the 8 speed gearbox

3. Do not replace it.

It will be interesting to see what LR decide.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

So the 2.7D4 is on run out,what is it's replacement,does anyone know?
A poverty pack 3.0l,maybe detuned?It will be the 3.0 SDV6 six speed while the upgrade will be the 3.0 SDV6 8 speed.

[scarry]

It will be the 3.0 SDV6 six speed while the upgrade will be the 3.0 SDV6 8 speed.

It was inevitable the 2.7 would eventually be dropped,as has happened in other markets.

Be very interesting to see prices.They can't drop the 3.0l prices to much unless a base model arrives,as existing 3.0l owners will not be happy.

Remember there has always been a 12 to 14k difference between the two different engined models.

What this may do is push the D4 further upmarket.

Anyway,we will have to wait & see..........

[gotaflat]

It will be the 3.0 SDV6 six speed while the upgrade will be the 3.0 SDV6 8 speed.

8speed... Bugger. Mine is only 14months old... Can't change yet. And planned this one would be good for 5 years at least....
Any chance of a new engine? ..may be TDV8 8speed? Because that would enough to sway me to make an early change, just have to start lobbing the Minister for Home Affairs (AKA SWMBO) a little earlier.

Engine change may be in the D5 if it comes?.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

People say they don't like the Land Cruiser 8 speed because it is always changing gears on even the slightest of hills. So this may be one "improvement" that may be one to avoid, at least that's what I'm planning. My D4 is only 10 weeks!

Scarry there is a commercial model that is not distributed in Oz and there is still the base model which has only 5 seats and no leather trim. Was in the 70K range.

[MR LR]

When dad came home from work the other day he told me that the 2.7 was taken off the system (you can't order them anymore), which made him happy as his work car (to be replaced in 4000km) is a 2.7 so he'll get a 3.0 then :D other than that i'm not sure what it's replacement will be, i wonder if they ahve a detuned 3.0 will it get 18 inch wheels or not, have to probe further.

[Orkneytdv6]

I pick up my 2.7 tomorrow, the news my dealer told me is that no one knows yet, 8 speed not coming anytime soon to Aus, the pop up gear shifter also not on the short list as Aus buyers like a stick.

Last info was also wont be a disco under 90k until land rover decide what to do. Apparently, now news is out about the 2.7, sales have picked up, as it's only what stock is left, no forward orders now.

I saw a truck load leave Melbourne, all 2.7 stock. I'm glad I got in when I did. The 3.0l with options I wanted is out of my budget.

[MR LR]

Yeah dad brought an Evoque demo home the other day to show us, and that gear thing is a bit of a gimminck, apparently customers either love it or hate it, just not for me, but then i have a 300tdi so what do i know about technology.

[discotwinturbo]

People say they don't like the Land Cruiser 8 speed because it is always changing gears on even the slightest of hills. So this may be one "improvement" that may be one to avoid, at least that's what I'm planning. My D4 is only 10 weeks!

Scarry there is a commercial model that is not distributed in Oz and there is still the base model which has only 5 seats and no leather trim. Was in the 70K range.

8 speed!!. My neighbors 3 month old 200 series only has a 6 speed...his is the Sahara.
What model is the 8 speed on ?

Brett....

[Lotz-A-Landies]

8 speed!!. My neighbors 3 month old 200 series only has a 6 speed...his is the Sahara.
What model is the 8 speed on ?

Brett....2nd hand info, if it's not correct I stand corrected.

If you like to follow up it comes from this forum, www.aulro.com - 144429-2-7-vs-3-0-tdv6-worth-extra-post1631251 (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/144429-2-7-vs-3-0-tdv6-worth-extra-post1631251.html?highlight=speed#post1631251) you tell me if it makes it sound like the LC200 has an 8 speed transmission?

[TerryO]

If the new entry level Disco starts at 90k then LR can say good bye to a large percentage of their sales which they won't want to see happen.

Like most run out sales that happen in the industry LR will try to keep quite as long as possible on what they will soon bring in as the entry level model so as not to stall the sales on what is in stock or is being ordered otherwise people will just wait or ask to wait for the upgrade.

Hard to imagine they won't have a similar priced entry level model to what they have now, even with the present currency fluctuations.

cheers,
Terry

[Redback]

They can bring in anything they want, we won't be buying another new LR product as long as my arse points to the ground.

Baz.

[olid4]

As in you're not happy with Landrover or the product or you plan for your current Disco to last the duration?

[gghaggis]

2nd hand info, if it's not correct I stand corrected.

If you like to follow up it comes from this forum, www.aulro.com - 144429-2-7-vs-3-0-tdv6-worth-extra-post1631251 (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/144429-2-7-vs-3-0-tdv6-worth-extra-post1631251.html?highlight=speed#post1631251) you tell me if it makes it sound like the LC200 has an 8 speed transmission?

No, the LC is a 6 speed - but it was criticised for continually shifting between 5th and 6th. Some UK D4 owners felt the LR 8 speed was the same.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Redback]

As in you're not happy with Landrover or the product or you plan for your current Disco to last the duration?

2 out of 3, love the car;)

The dealers have been good, Trivetts in particular.

Baz.

[stray dingo]

8speed... Bugger. Mine is only 14months old... Can't change yet.

Mines only 4 days;)

[Tombie]

The 8 speed box is essentially an Emissions control exercise.

Once you are moving it misses most of the lower gears.

If you drive like there's a poison stake on the accelerator then you may save a bit of fuel. And even then only in full on traffic (and you would have to take off so gently the guy behind will want to Road Rage your arse!).

The whole idea is to map the ECU for emissions testing - so the engine and transmission ramp softly, low RPM per gear keeping under the threshold for higher penalty...

All it does in reality is adds more points of complexity to the labyrinth, valves etc and more to stress...

Dont be a bunch of "Number hunters"....

[discotwinturbo]

2nd hand info, if it's not correct I stand corrected.

If you like to follow up it comes from this forum, www.aulro.com - 144429-2-7-vs-3-0-tdv6-worth-extra-post1631251 (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/144429-2-7-vs-3-0-tdv6-worth-extra-post1631251.html?highlight=speed#post1631251) you tell me if it makes it sound like the LC200 has an 8 speed transmission?

I see how that post reads.

Brett....

[bh78]

My Disco HSE is on the water.

It replaces a Lexus ISF 311kw 5 litre V8 with an 8 speed box. It was by far the best car I've had, the gearbox changes couldn't be felt under normal driving conditions and it managed to average under 9 litres per 100 kilometres on the highway. Just not to practical with a growing family.

Don't assume 8 speeds is necessarily bad.

[scarry]

There are many on the UK site disco4.com,that have gone from the 3.L 6 speed to the 8 speed.

Not many (if any ) complaints.

[Tombie]

My Disco HSE is on the water.

It replaces a Lexus ISF 311kw 5 litre V8 with an 8 speed box. It was by far the best car I've had, the gearbox changes couldn't be felt under normal driving conditions and it managed to average under 9 litres per 100 kilometres on the highway. Just not to practical with a growing family.

Don't assume 8 speeds is necessarily bad.

And dont assume its necessarily good either....

The 6 speed, once moving is in 5th or 6th....

The 8 speed once moving is in 7th or 8th....

Gear D4 6 speed D4 8 speed
8 na 0.667
7 na 0.839
6 0.69 1
5 0.867 1.285
4 1.14 1.667
3 1.52 2.106
2 2.34 3.143
1 4.17 4.714
FINAL 3.54 3.21

Some slight benefits, but not a lot to be noticeable...

Very different in a manual.... Torque converter covers the rest...

Only benefit I see is marginal improvement downhill Low 1st, and running at very high speed unloaded.

I cant see a problem with or without the 8 speed box...

I'm just pointing out - dont feel good / bad / superior / inferior if you do or dont have it...



P.S> Comparing a 300+kw ultra light petrol sports car to a 2800kg 4wd diesel is like comparing Lara Bingle to Susan Boyle

[bh78]

Gee, I thought my new Disco was quite handsome :)

[DiscoWeb]

I was at a Range Rover Club meeting last night, hosted at Purnell motors and they confirmed the 2.7lt is no longer able to be ordered, only available stock left.

Personally I think it is a bad move as the price premium of the 3.0lt will knock out many buyers and as discussed over and over on this and other forums the 19in rims required on the 3.0 D4 will put other off, rightly or wrongly.

They can not simply drop the price of the 3.0lt dramatically, so they can slot in an 8 sp without annoying everyone who has purchased a 3.0 D4 in the past few years so I am confused.

I have a 2009 D3 with 70,000 km and will hold that for a few more years and most likely would have stuck with the 2.7lt when I renewed it as I have been very happy with it so far.

$70 K and some change was my all in price and I was pretty comfortable with that as I think it offered very good value compared with other options. I was new to LR so had no particular preconceptions.

At $90 k+ I think the value is looking much thinner. I did not buy a nearly 3 tonne 4wd to try and imitate a sports car, I do not tow big vans or boats so the extra power is not really that relevant to me. Additionally as I have never felt under powered in the 2.7TDV6 I am not placing a lot of value in that extra grunt.

Hopefully LRA will alter the line up again by the time I am purchasing, but if I was in the market in the next 12 -24 months I think I would struggle with my purchasing decision, before it was simple - D4 2.7 !


George

[Graeme]

In the UK where the 2.7 doesn't meet EU5 emisson standards, the 2.7 in base models was replaced by a lower power 3.0 so perhaps Oz will get that too. I don't know what brakes are being fitted to those lower power vehicles.

[Disco4SE]

I agree with the comments on the last few posts, however, I can't see that Landrover would do anything to jeopardize sales.
If they were to introduce the lesser powered 3.0Lt, I would imagine that it would come with smaller brakes to suit 18" wheels...........and the 2.7Lt transmission.

If I am wrong, sales would drop and Gordon (GOE) would have to quit his day job and concentrate on importing & selling the Compomotive 18" rims :)

Cheers, Craig

[ososlo]

I have a new salesman chasing me for a new D4...I would be interested only for the world wide warranty so I would be covered in the middle of nowhere in the middle of Oz..our D3 has only done 49000km ...16000km of that over the ditch..and are intending to bring it back over this winter..

But if I could get a new D4 2.7 on my terms I would consider it...here is his reply...

"I need to get the order in ASAP to try and get it here for September. It could be October so the sooner the better!
They are not deleting TDV6 we just don’t get allocated any from factory. They are a big seller overseas, we tend to focus on the 3.0. This is why there is the wait as we have to grab a build slot, without any allocation for one.
So to answer your question unless Land Rover is going to do something we haven’t been advised of next year or in the future there won’t be a run out. New Discovery has been allocated for 2016 which will 2017 here in Australasia."

So take what you want out of that ..but if I wanted to order a new D4 I can get one but it will be Sept or Oct before I see it so a bit late for the top end this winter!!!!

Looks as though we will be staying with our D3 in the short term..

It has been fun seeing what I can get out of LR though!
I can’t do anything about the timing for delivery sorry.

Graeme
NZ

[scarry]

I recon the replacement will be the lower powered 3.0l as used in UK.

It will probably have the larger brakes.

The 2.7 was a good seller,they won't want to lose that market.

[discotwinturbo]

I recon the replacement will be the lower powered 3.0l as used in UK.

It will probably have the larger brakes.

The 2.7 was a good seller,they won't want to lose that market.

After doing lots of emails to LR, I found out that the UK GS and Commercial models have the same brakes as all 3 litres.
I reckon a standard TDV6 with the 3 litre and smaller brakes would be an absolute hit.....but that would be too smart for LR to build that vehicle.
Brett....

[cruiser1]

LR could be getting ready for a D5. I just got a D4 last week so did a bit of hunying around to see what might, or might not be coming. Found an article that says the D5 is being developed and that it will be more "down market" then the D4. See 2016 Land Rover Discovery 5 / LR5 details emerge (http://www.worldcarfans.com/111051033260/2016-land-rover-discovery-5--lr5-details-emerge)

Guess we have to wait and see.

[Malcolm]

I don't think the dealer I am speaking with genuinely has any idea what is happening. From what I understand - and happy to be corrected - the new MY model is due Oct/Nov. My theory is therefore:
They will run the 2.7 out, and run the 3.0 MY12 6 speed out by end of year.
Perhaps then sell the 3.0 MY13 6 speed (spec'ed like the current TDV6 i.e. basic seats etc) as the base model. And sell the 3.0 MY13 8 speed as the SE model.
Either way, I'm having trouble convincing myself to buy the 2.7 now - unless they really get aggressive on the price. But there appears to be enough buyers out there to discourage that.
Thanks to all for the information so far - certainly helping me with my purchasing decisions.

[4x4x2]

You'd hope they would widen the range up and bring out some really basic models for police ,outback use-mining etc --or do something fairly dramatic with the defender safety airbags cab room so on (-im not bagging the defender as i have had one forever ) i saw a comment earlier about the pricing being to high and 90 k is imho pretty out there for a vehicle for hard bush work

[CaverD3]

Detuned 3.0L is not just a detune. Different manifold and injectors I understand.

[ozscott]

So twin turbo still or down to single? Either way it would have to be a pretty under stressed engine to anyone who cares about those things (ie long term owners).

Cheers

[rufusking]

We could get lucky and get a manual with steel rims!