DPF??

[Redback]

Did the D4 2.7l come with a Diesel Particulate Filter:confused:

I need to know so I don't purchace the wrong oil for top ups while away if needed.

Mine is a July 2011 model.

Baz.

[PKD4]

Hi Baz,

Mine is a 09/11 TDV6 and I am fairly certain that mine does have a DPF. My manual implies that it is.

I am a no expert in mechanical matters at all but there is a thread somewhere in the d3/d4/rrs section that someone who is much more knowledgable than me described how to find it on your vehicle - under the passenger side somewhere?

I tried to find the thread but could not remember what the original title of the thread was - hopefully the original poster can help you out.

Pat

[irondoc]

mine is a 2011 model and doesn't have a DPF

cheers
lucas

[Redback]

I had a look on the Disco3.uk site, they say if the 8th letter of your vin is G it is there and M if it isn't, the 8th letter in my vin is a number:eek:

I can only assume the vins for Aust are different.

Baz.

[BobD]

Graeme told us about the DPF. It is located under the passenger seat in the exhaust pipe if you have one. I thought mine had one but when I looked there is nothing but a straight pipe and a spare mounting point for it if it was fitted.

Bob

[sniegy]

Hi all
All 2.7's in Aus do not have DPF.
Was only introduced for the 3.0l.
If u have a 3.0l, your vin will have a G if u have a DPF.
Eg: SALLAAAG incl. DPF, SALLAAAF no DPF.

Cheers.

[sniegy]

I had a look on the Disco3.uk site, they say if the 8th letter of your vin is G it is there and M if it isn't, the 8th letter in my vin is a number:eek:

I can only assume the vins for Aust are different.

Baz.

Hey Baz,
You have the same as me, a 2.7 so it will have a 1 there.

[Redback]

We are taking the car to Trivetts next Friday, they going to see why our economy isn't very good, I thought having the DPF could be why the economy was crap, I like Trivetts, they have restored my faith and have always been good to us.

Thanks all,

Baz.

[Disco4SE]

Hi all
All 2.7's in Aus do not have DPF.
Was only introduced for the 3.0l.
If u have a 3.0l, your vin will have a G if u have a DPF.
Eg: SALLAAAG incl. DPF, SALLAAAF no DPF.

Cheers.
Thanks Pete.
First time someone has come up with a simple way of finding out whether they have a DPF or not.

Cheers, Craig

[Robocop]

How many kms has it done? I had very ordinary economy up until my D4 3L hit about 15,000kms.

[Redback]

How many kms has it done? I had very ordinary economy up until my D4 3L hit about 15,000kms.

22,000ks;)

[Graeme]

First time someone has come up with a simple way of finding out whether they have a DPF or not.
Very simple to look underneath providing you know what you're looking for.

[BJM]

We have recently been looking at moving from our current TDi Ford Territory into a Discovery 4 and I have found something I think is interesting for this thread.

Every 2014 TDV6 I looked at was complied as Euro 5 and had a DPF.
Every 2014 SDV6 I looked at still had the F in the VIN, no DPF and was complied Euro 4.

As we've had trouble with DPF in other brands we've had in the past it made our decision to go for an SD over a TD that much easier.

Thanks to the people who have posted this info up because it has helped me a lot over the last few weeks.

[Greatsouthernland]

We have recently been looking at moving from our current TDi Ford Territory into a Discovery 4 and I have found something I think is interesting for this thread.

Every 2014 TDV6 I looked at was complied as Euro 5 and had a DPF.
Every 2014 SDV6 I looked at still had the F in the VIN, no DPF and was complied Euro 4.

As we've had trouble with DPF in other brands we've had in the past it made our decision to go for an SD over a TD that much easier.

Thanks to the people who have posted this info up because it has helped me a lot over the last few weeks.


Interesting. I have the MY14 SDV6, LR assist asked my 'rego' and determined I had DPF. THEN went on to say all 2014s have DPF anyway :twisted: ... So checked VIN as mentioned in this thread, and no G in my VIN, AAAF5, seems LR admin may have ... No idea?

[Redback]

Interesting. I have the MY14 SDV6, LR assist asked my 'rego' and determined I had DPF. THEN went on to say all 2014s have DPF anyway :twisted: ... So checked VIN as mentioned in this thread, and no G in my VIN, AAAF5, seems LR admin may have ... No idea?

Yep, LRA have no idea, because, they only import them, they have nothing to do with the car itself in any way, they are Land Rover in name only.

Baz.

[Graeme]

So checked VIN as mentioned in this thread, and no G in my VIN, AAAF5, seems LR admin may have ... No idea?Have you looked underneath the front passenger seat area for a large muffler-looking device so see if a DPF is fitted or not?

[Greatsouthernland]

Have you looked underneath the front passenger seat area for a large muffler-looking device so see if a DPF is fitted or not?

Have now.

Looks like something obstructive, so I'd say yes :( ?

[Greatsouthernland]

Maybe this thing...

[Greatsouthernland]

Yep, LRA have no idea, because, they only import them, they have nothing to do with the car itself in any way, they are Land Rover in name only.

Baz.

Cheers Baz,

Yes in admin and roadside assist for sure. :thumbsup:. I've met a couple of really switched on knowledgable enthusiasts through the dealerships, and there are many more on here who work for LR and share their knowledge (thank you :arms: ).

Then there are those on here who don't work for LR, but should, cos they are awesome champions of the mark through dogged determination and passion :unsure::banana: or frustration leading to shared fulfilment ... :eek: you know what I mean :confused:

This is what makes up for the bureaucratic failings, for me, until I come across one of those admin roadblocks...then I may change my opinion :D

[BJM]

So it's possible to have an "F" in the VIN and still have a DPF???

[SBD4]

You have no DPF. See this post:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/192163-dpf-dicso-4-a-2.html#post2094012

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Greatsouthernland]

You have no DPF. See this post:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/192163-dpf-dicso-4-a-2.html#post2094012

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Thanks SB, you're a legend! Means my oil is easier to find :D.

[Graeme]

I was going to say that device is too small to be a DPF and doesn't have sensors before and after. It looks as though the cat has been moved away from the motor to the DPF spot for non-DPF systems.

[Greatsouthernland]

So it's possible to have an "F" in the VIN and still have a DPF???

Apparently not BJ.

[BJM]

I just took a run down to the dealers and had a roll around under my new car and it doesn't have one either... :D

I was worried when I saw that little thing under there but now I've seen that diagram I'm all smiles again. :D

[Grappler]

I know my 2.7 doesnt have a DPF.

Vehicles without DPF will not display a DPF icon on the dash, during system check on startup.

[Greatsouthernland]

I just took a run down to the dealers and had a roll around under my new car and it doesn't have one either... :D

I was worried when I saw that little thing under there but now I've seen that diagram I'm all smiles again. :D

Good reason for smiling too. Look at the oil choice...better options now!

[Greatsouthernland]

Based on this.

[BJM]

Mine comes with 3yrs free servicing and will be on a 3yr lease so hopefully I'll never have to worry about what oil to use.

[Greatsouthernland]

Mine comes with 3yrs free servicing and will be on a 3yr lease so hopefully I'll never have to worry about what oil to use.

:BigThumb: good plan. I thought the same..... and then....ended up in Bendigo on a Saturday arvo checking the oil, finding it low(3,500km on ODO, just run in) checked with Roadside assist as it usually read full, was told I had to add oil before attempting trip home (800km) on Sunday.

Not much choice in Supercheap, and Repco was shut.

So if you don't check your oil on a weekend, and then don't find yourself more than walking distance from your dealer....then as you hope, you shall be fine :D
I really hope you are that lucky mate, but it is what it is.

[Grappler]

Mine comes with 3yrs free servicing and will be on a 3yr lease so hopefully I'll never have to worry about what oil to use.

What is the service interval of your vehicle?

My Defender came with 3 years free service. It has annual/20,000km iservice nterval, But I still get a letter recommending an intermediate service, six monthly, which they expect payment for. :o
Thats why I use the the Total Quartz and a genuine filter for the intermediate oil change. I use the same oil in my RRS TDV6:D

[BJM]

What is the service interval of your vehicle?

My Defender came with 3 years free service. It has annual/20,000km iservice nterval, But I still get a letter recommending an intermediate service, six monthly, which they expect payment for. :o
Thats why I use the the Total Quartz and a genuine filter for the intermediate oil change. I use the same oil in my RRS TDV6:D

I don't know. I haven't taken delivery yet!

[Jimlr]

Always like to have a litre or so on hand for tops ups, any car, new or otherwise.
So what's the correct castrol oil for non DPF cars? I thought the required magnatec or edge professional meeting the 913-c spec, was unavailable to the public here in low quantities, unless branded LR from a dealer?

[Greatsouthernland]

Always like to have a litre or so on hand for tops ups, any car, new or otherwise.
So what's the correct castrol oil for non DPF cars? I thought the required magnatec or edge professional meeting the 913-c spec, was unavailable to the public here in low quantities, unless branded LR from a dealer?

:o Well this is interesting, if you try to look up the Castrol recommended oil, it tells you to call technical assistance.

Castrol Australia - NetLube (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/castr_au/default.asp?categoryId=3000)

It seems Castrol and LR have formed a partnership where LR is pushing the Castrol brand.

Reminds me of John Laws and the cash for comment scandal... Then there was the Steve Vizard parody of Lawsy and his Valvoline add :D "you know what I mean"...

Check out this video on YouTube:

Fast Forward - John Laws. - YouTube

[JonW]

Try this one. At least they give you the info. Used this site for my old Pajero NS series diesel.
Lubricants: Oil Finder - Caltex Australia (http://www.caltex.com.au/PRODUCTSANDSERVICES/LUBRICANTS/Pages/OilFinder.aspx)

[isuzurover]

We have recently been looking at moving from our current TDi Ford Territory into a Discovery 4 and I have found something I think is interesting for this thread.

Every 2014 TDV6 I looked at was complied as Euro 5 and had a DPF.
Every 2014 SDV6 I looked at still had the F in the VIN, no DPF and was complied Euro 4.

As we've had trouble with DPF in other brands we've had in the past it made our decision to go for an SD over a TD that much easier.

Thanks to the people who have posted this info up because it has helped me a lot over the last few weeks.

That makes sense. Euro 5/6 regulations were written to force manufacturers to fit DPFs, so all euro 5/6 will have a DPF, whereas manufacturers usually managed to comply with euro 4 without fitting a dpf.

[Greatsouthernland]

Try this one. At least they give you the info. Used this site for my old Pajero NS series diesel.
Lubricants: Oil Finder - Caltex Australia (http://www.caltex.com.au/PRODUCTSANDSERVICES/LUBRICANTS/Pages/OilFinder.aspx)

So where do you get this? Found it on google...

Crankcase
HAVOLINE ENERGY EF 5W-30

Service Refill Capacity: 5.7* Litres.

I'll check google...
Edit. Looks like Sydney and minimum 20 litres..or Adelaide, 320 litres hmmm...
.

[PeterJ]

Hopefully not too late to help you but try Fuchs oil. I contacted their technical group and sent them the LR oil spec and checked independently online it meets/exceeds the LR specification for DPF fitted vehicles (Titan GT1 pro C1) and they market other specification oils as well for non-DPF I bought mine from Burton Auto 5l containers $42.00

[SilvaD4]

Hi all
All 2.7's in Aus do not have DPF.
Was only introduced for the 3.0l.
If u have a 3.0l, your vin will have a G if u have a DPF.
Eg: SALLAAAG incl. DPF, SALLAAAF no DPF.

Cheers.

goddammit (hope this is not swearing) but I wish I had read this before today (whether my D4 had a DPF or not).

Long story short - the low engine oil warning came on today while out for a Sunday drive near Beerwah Qld (only 18k on the clock - not ready for the first service yet).
A check of the service menu screen suggested the oil level was below minimum.
As a result, I could not for sure work out the correct oil purchase to do a top up (Land Rover Assist could not tell me if I had a DPF or not - the correct oil spec to buy depends on this info).

So now the D4 will be towed back to the dealer on Monday and I had to get a Taxi home.
There was a slight chance I could have purchased the correct oil near Beerwah but for the lack of knowledge by Land Rover Assist (and me for not reading sniegy's post before today) I could not do so.
So this issue has now cost Land Rover about $1K or more.
The Taxi alone was $300.
Anyway, I am home now and will take my 2.0L TDI VW Jetta to the shops in search for the correct oil (for next time)

On Monday the Dealer will need to work out why the oil level dropped to below minimum.
I suspect that this is normal for a new engine to use a bit of oil in the first few months of its' life.

This is what happened with my (then new) Jetta about 8 years ago but at least I was able to work out which oil to buy, do a top up and keep going to the 1st service. (VW Assist was on the ball and most helpful)

[letherm]

On Monday the Dealer will need to work out why the oil level dropped to below minimum.
I suspect that this is normal for a new engine to use a bit of oil in the first few months of its' life.


My oil level dropped in the first 6 months but has remained stable since. I get a 6 month service done as I drive a lot of short trips and want the oil changed to be on the safe side. :) I've got a MY13 D4.

Martin

[SilvaD4]

My oil level dropped in the first 6 months but has remained stable since. I get a 6 month service done as I drive a lot of short trips and want the oil changed to be on the safe side. :) I've got a MY13 D4.

Martin

Hi Martin, can you remember how much your D4 consumed in that 1st 6 months?

[letherm]

Hi Martin, can you remember how much your D4 consumed in that 1st 6 months?

From memory it was between 1/4 and 1/2 of the oil indicator gauge - closer to the 1/4. Enough for me to be concerned and mention it at the 6 months mini service but not enough to do anything about. I have a feeling I mentioned it in this forum and someone advised that a diesel does use a bit of oil initially - hence me waiting until the service. I just kept an eye on it until the service.

Martin

[hiker]

Hi all,

Am planning for a long trip in my MY2015 D4 3.0L and would like to carry a spare 5ltr oil. Have read the posts with great interest and it seems the choice of oil relies on the DPF

My VIN starts with SALLAAAN5GA **** and hoping that someone can tell me if a DPF is fitted.

Many thanks

Grahame

[loanrangie]

Hi all,

Am planning for a long trip in my MY2015 D4 3.0L and would like to carry a spare 5ltr oil. Have read the posts with great interest and it seems the choice of oil relies on the DPF

My VIN starts with SALLAAAN5GA **** and hoping that someone can tell me if a DPF is fitted.

Many thanks

Grahame

Stick ya head under and have a look.

[gavinwibrow]

Stick ya head under and have a look.

I think what he means is what am I looking for?

[BJM]

Was only introduced for the 3.0l.
If u have a 3.0l, your vin will have a G if u have a DPF.
Eg: SALLAAAG incl. DPF, SALLAAAF no DPF.

[loanrangie]

I think what he means is what am I looking for?

Not how it reads, he wants a Vin range.

[BradC]

Was only introduced for the 3.0l.

My MY08 2.7 TDV6 came with one.

[Mog60]

attached is a VIN explanation

[kelvo]

Hi all,

Am planning for a long trip in my MY2015 D4 3.0L and would like to carry a spare 5ltr oil. Have read the posts with great interest and it seems the choice of oil relies on the DPF

My VIN starts with SALLAAAN5GA **** and hoping that someone can tell me if a DPF is fitted.

Many thanks

Grahame

The eighth digit being a N says yours is a low power (TDV6) without a DPF.

[twr7cx]

I think what he means is what am I looking for?

While I haven't seen the D3/4 DPF setup, if you Google Image search pictures of 'diesel particulate filter' you should be able to get a rough idea of what they look like from them. Almost a larger more complicated cat converter which might have some tubes or lines connecting to it. Then stick your head under the vehicle and see if it's there in your D3/4's exhaust system.
Again, no expert here, but I'd image the cat converter is there too - either before or after it - so if you can identify the cat converter and another similar looking item then you probably have a DFP.

Might be handy if anyone on here has a DPF vehicle if they can post up a picture or two of it in the exhaust system that others can use as a reference.

Alternatively, if people are wondering, put your vehicle into Off Road Height mode, get under and take a picture and someone on here will likely be willing to have a look and confirm for you.

[kelvo]

Might be handy if anyone on here has a DPF vehicle if they can post up a picture or two of it in the exhaust system that others can use as a reference.

Alternatively, if people are wondering, put your vehicle into Off Road Height mode, get under and take a picture and someone on here will likely be willing to have a look and confirm for you.

If you don’t trust looking at the eighth digit of the VIN, have a look at the exhaust as it exits the engine bay and runs under the front passenger footwell.

[hiker]

The eighth digit being a N says yours is a low power (TDV6) without a DPF.

Good to know - thanks very much! looks like Castrol Edge 5w-20 should do the trick!

cheers!

[kelvo]

Good to know - thanks very much! looks like Castrol Edge 5w-20 should do the trick!

cheers!
It needs to be 5W-30 and meet/exceed the Ford WWS-M2C913-B specification. This Castrol Magnatec Stop-Start 5W-30 A5 is correct MAGNATEC STOP START 5W-30 A5 | Castrol MAGNATEC - Car Engine Oil | Castrol Australia | Castrol MAGNATEC Engine Oil | Castrol™ Australia | Castrol Car Engine Oils | Edge, Magnatec and GTX ranges | Engine Oil | Castrol Australia | Castrol™ Engine Oil & Lubricants - Castrol™ Australia (https://www.castrol.com/en_au/australia/car-engine-oil/engine-oil-brands/castrol-magnatec-brand/magnatec-product-page/magnatec-stop-start-5w-30-a5.html)

[twr7cx]

It needs to be 5W-30 and meet/exceed the Ford WWS-M2C913-B specification. This Castrol Magnatec Stop-Start 5W-30 A5 is correct MAGNATEC STOP START 5W-30 A5 | Castrol MAGNATEC - Car Engine Oil | Castrol Australia | Castrol MAGNATEC Engine Oil | Castrol™ Australia | Castrol Car Engine Oils | Edge, Magnatec and GTX ranges | Engine Oil | Castrol Australia | Castrol™ Engine Oil & Lubricants - Castrol™ Australia (https://www.castrol.com/en_au/australia/car-engine-oil/engine-oil-brands/castrol-magnatec-brand/magnatec-product-page/magnatec-stop-start-5w-30-a5.html)

There is a correct Castrol Edge too (which is probably a better quality oil than the Magnatec):

149848

Personally I prefer the Penrite offering purely because it's a 6L bottle so one is large enough to do the oil change. Edge you need to buy two bottles. The Magnatec also comes in. 6L but I think it's inferior to the Edge or Penrite.

[Graeme]

I'd image the cat converter is there too - either before or after itThe catalytic converter will always be before the DPF because for a DPF regen the engine is purposefully over-fuelled to cause the cat to generate sufficient heat to burn off the particulates in the DPF.

[BradC]

The catalytic converter will always be before the DPF because for a DPF regen the engine is purposefully over-fuelled to cause the cat to generate sufficient heat to burn off the particulates in the DPF.

Indeed. The DPF is pretty obvious. It sits under the passenger seat, has pressure sample pipes pre and post, and a temp sensor at the exit. DPF equipped cars also have a post-catalyst temp sensor before the DPF. It is fitted with a slip joint on the front and a triangle flange between the DPF and front muffler.

This is what it looks like from above (with the flange cut off anyway). The pressure sensor lives up in the transmission tunnel. It's a a complete bastard and getting it cut out was incredibly satisfying.
http://www.fnarfbargle.com/private/190403-DPF/SAM_0194.JPG

Having said that, the DPF does have some massive pluses when it comes to "rotten egg smell on startup" and mitigating that blast "cloud of smoke" when you scream off from the lights. The intermittent "drop to the stops, limp mode *on*" faults made it more than I could bear however.

Apparently they are some $2.5k to replace, so I'm sitting on my re-tyre-ment there.