ScanGauge II & Transmission Temp?

[wardh]

Has anyone been able to read or show reliable transmission temps for D3/4 RRS on Scangauge II or other devices such as OBDII modules and downloads like Torque

I pull a 2.5 t van with my 06 D3 TDv6 and would like to be able to monitor the transmission temp. I also fitted the steel pan and would like to change the trans fluid more often so the need to read the trans temp is required for correct fluid levels.

Cheers

Howard

[Rollin over]

I use a Torque Pro (OBD2 & Car) $4.85 from Play store (Android app market)
and the module is from Ebay (ELM327 Mini Bluetooth Auto OBDII Car scan Diagnostic tool) I think it was around the $30 mark?

It will scan for faults and give you real time info etc but I don't think it can reset your service message? Still working it out.

Look on YouTube about the app.

I have used this to see my trans temp (87c) but not while towing yet.

Cheers
:banana::banana:

[bbyer]

I have used this to see my trans temp (87c) but not while towing yet.Cheers

You are saying that the Torque app will actually display automatic transmission temperature. I am impressed.

I cannot figure out how to get my ScanGauge II to display the automatic transmission temperature. If the Torque app can find it, then the ScanGauge should as well - I just wonder how?

[wardh]

bbyer, my reasoning exactly you would think that the ScanGauge would be able to access the transmission temperature if the Torque app can, my understanding is both are reading OBDII information at the ECU service port.

I know quite a few forum members have the ScanGauge fitted hence my query as it would make the gauge a very useful tool when towing, so has anyone managed to obtain Trans temps with ScanGauge?

Rollin over you are saying you have seen your trans temp (87c) is this the only trans temperature the Torque app has displayed? as I would have thought it would not be a static fig but would vary subject to conditions. Speed, Hills, etc or was this a one off standing at Idle reading.

Cheers

[Rollin over]

[QUOTE=wardh;1682750]bbyer, my reasoning exactly you would think that the ScanGauge would be able to access the transmission temperature if the Torque app can, my understanding is both are reading OBDII information at the ECU service port.

I know quite a few forum members have the ScanGauge fitted hence my query as it would make the gauge a very useful tool when towing, so has anyone managed to obtain Trans temps with ScanGauge?

Rollin over you are saying you have seen your trans temp (87c) is this the only trans temperature the Torque app has displayed? as I would have thought it would not be a static fig but would vary subject to conditions. Speed, Hills, etc or was this a one off standing at Idle reading.

Cheers[/QUOT

I don't have it in all the time...the car was up to temp before I plugged it in. I had to go up town so I tried it out for 5mins and the temp was at 87c.

[NTB]

I have read that the Torque Pro is only for Android.
Is there also a App for the iPhone so it may also monitor the OBD2 Data?

NTB

[discotwinturbo]

I have read that the Torque Pro is only for Android.
Is there also a App for the iPhone so it may also monitor the OBD2 Data?

NTB

Rev and a couple of others.....but none monitor transmission temp.

Exact water temp is measured. Sits at about 87 then goes as high as 96 towing heavy weight.

Has boost, maf inlet temps, maf air flow volume, and other stuff.

Brett....

[101RRS]

I had a Scangauage II on my RRs for a year and never got it to read transmission temps.

Garry

[bbyer]

I noted on the Torque Pro website below, a free add on advertised in the left column that is called Torque Scan.

From what I can determine, Torque Scan is perhaps like the X Gauge feature of the ScanGauge that allows new PID's, (I guess that is what they are called.) to be either read or entered. If so, I wondered if the PID for the Automatic Transmission oil temp could be read using Torque Scan.

I would think that a PID does not vary from app to app and hence if a PID could be read off Torque Scan, then it could be entered into X-Gauge.

Well maybe I dream, but it is a thought.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque&hl=en

Transmission oil temperature, like all temperature measurements depends upon where it is measured. I do not really know where the temperature sensor that is within the ZF is located but I presume it somehow reflects "normal" oil pan temperature.

I gather the range of normal transmission oil pan temperatures is much like engine coolant temperature, from 175F to 200F, (80C to 95C). If the temperature gets to 300F, (150C), there is a problem.

[Graeme]

Each ecu is addressed by its PID. Sensors themselves are not addressible but certain data can be read from an ecu using standardised parameters if the PID is known. In some countries engine emission related data is mandated by law to be standardised hence the availability of software using generic OBDII readers to extract such data as coolant temp.

[Rollin over]

You are saying that the Torque app will actually display automatic transmission temperature. I am impressed.

I cannot figure out how to get my ScanGauge II to display the automatic transmission temperature. If the Torque app can find it, then the ScanGauge should as well - I just wonder how?

Yes it does

[400HPONGAS]

Ive been using the torque plus app for quite some time, and as Graeme says , there is NO communication with the Transmission,suspension,braking ECU's .Its purely limited to engine codes /parameters and only if Landrover decided to comply with the standard codes.The app will display a lot more parameters than the ECU will supply standard OBD2 data for , eg engine oil pressure and temp ,the app has it , the siemens ECU wont supply it .
The Faultmate MSV-2 extreme is a nice sytem that will do /analyse/reset all car sytems , but its $1300 , the Torque app and a quality OBD2 reader is around $130 .
In the middle would be the BAS system that offers Tune/map upgrades $900
You get whay you pay for .Theres heaps more like Hawkeye,scantool etc etc

[Stuart02]

Is it a,coincidence that normal water temp and trans temps are allegedly 87 deg C?

[wardh]

OK I think I am getting a little confused! am I reading here that someone is reading D3 auto transmission temperature using the Torque Pro app?

The other school is saying there is no communication with the transmission. So am I correct in saying no transmission temperature is displayed with the Torque app? or for that matter Scangauge.

????

[discotwinturbo]

OK I think I am getting a little confused! am I reading here that someone is reading D3 auto transmission temperature using the Torque Pro app?

The other school is saying there is no communication with the transmission. So am I correct in saying no transmission temperature is displayed with the Torque app? or for that matter Scangauge.

????

I read it as you cannot read transmission temps.
I can only read water temp which matches the tranny temps mentioned earlier.
400hpongas has used torque pro extensively and he knows what he is talking about.
Brett...

[Graeme]

as Graeme says , there is NO communication with the Transmission,suspension,braking ECU'sJust to be clear, I currently only have a Faultmate so am not commenting on what is possible using other software and hardware.

However I have ordered a cheap motor vehicle OBDII reader which will be used to monitor all canbus messages on my tractor's recently-fitted implement guidance system that uses the same underlying J1939-11 standard as many motor vehicles. Once I have the necessary information, I hope to build a simple interface to control my sprayer's boom section valves as the guidance system's interface costs about $4K. A microprocessor will be connected directly to ELM327 chip in the OBDII reader, bypassing the chip that is programmed to only request specific engine emission-related data.

[Disco4SE]

I use a Torque Pro (OBD2 & Car) $4.85 from Play store (Android app market)
and the module is from Ebay (ELM327 Mini Bluetooth Auto OBDII Car scan Diagnostic tool) I think it was around the $30 mark?

Hi Rollin over,
I assume that this particular model suits the 3.0Lt.
I purchased one off ebay last year, only to find out that it didnt suit the 3.0Lt........and that there wasn't one available for it as yet.
Luckily I was able to cancel my order before it was too late.

Not knowing much about them.......do you leave the OBD reader plugged in all the time??

Cheers, Craig.

[wardh]

Thanks every one for your input, again this forum proves to be a valuable source of knowledge and information.

My interpretation of this thread.

At this point it appears that Torque Pro and ScanGauge II will not read specific transmission temperature in our D3/4 RRS vehicles.

Diagnostic Service instruments are available at a much higher cost as indicated by 400HPONGAS (Thanks for your input) but are not primarily designed to add to or supplement information of our instrument panels under normal driving conditions.

Back to the drawing board

Cheers all

Howard

[discotwinturbo]

Hi Rollin over,
I assume that this particular model suits the 3.0Lt.
I purchased one off ebay last year, only to find out that it didnt suit the 3.0Lt........and that there wasn't one available for it as yet.
Luckily I was able to cancel my order before it was too late.

Not knowing much about them.......do you leave the OBD reader plugged in all the time??

Cheers, Craig.

I dont leave my reader plugged in....it does not shut off.
That model above your quote, should suit just about all cars with the OBD2 port.....I have the same and I have fit it to more than 10 friends cars and all works fine (all different cars)
Brett....

[Rollin over]

Hi Rollin over,
I assume that this particular model suits the 3.0Lt.
I purchased one off ebay last year, only to find out that it didnt suit the 3.0Lt........and that there wasn't one available for it as yet.
Luckily I was able to cancel my order before it was too late.

Not knowing much about them.......do you leave the OBD reader plugged in all the time??

Cheers, Craig.

Well its reading data and I thought temp on the Trans, but old mate is saying it does not...I don't use it alot, but when I did it was showing alot of info.

[Disco4SE]

Thanks guys.
Have sent a message to the eBay seller, asking them if it suits my model / engine etc.

Cheers, Craig

[stray dingo]

I took the ScanGauge off my old car and plugged it in. But my foot keeps hitting the OBDII plug every time I come off one pedal and onto the other. It may be just that I have clown feet. It sits out from the trim about an inch. Do these other OBDII plugs for other gauges sit out the same distance?

[101RRS]

But my foot keeps hitting the OBDII plug every time I come off one pedal and onto the other. It may be just that I have clown feet.

Yep - you must have clown feet :o.

Even with work boots on, I never had issues hitting the OBDII plug.

Garry

[Disco4SE]

Heard back from the OBD Reader ebay seller re: if that particular model suits my D4.
Apparently, this model will fit all vehicles that have a 'OBD-II' compliant sticker under the bonnet.............or have the port under the dash / steering column, to plug into.

Have ordered me one.


Cheers, Craig

[discotwinturbo]

Heard back from the OBD Reader ebay seller re: if that particular model suits my D4.
Apparently, this model will fit all vehicles that have a 'OBD-II' compliant sticker under the bonnet.............or have the port under the dash / steering column, to plug into.

Have ordered me one.

Cheers, Craig

It should. All it is doing is transmitting the data that comes out of the port to a wireless reader.
I have tested mine on various cars and all works.
Brett....

[rufusking]

I took the ScanGauge off my old car and plugged it in. But my foot keeps hitting the OBDII plug every time I come off one pedal and onto the other. It may be just that I have clown feet. It sits out from the trim about an inch. Do these other OBDII plugs for other gauges sit out the same distance?
I had the same issue with the OBDkey clipping my foot so I bought a right angle extension off eBay and tucked the OBDkey up under the dash

[Epic pooh]

Caution musty old thread ...

I just picked up a scan gauge 2 with the most current firmware revision. Has anyone cracked getting the trans temp to display ? I take it that I would need to (attempt to) program an x-guage to do it and was wondering if anyone had done that successfully ?

Thanks in advance !

[bbyer]

You might just send an email to Scangauge. There are real people there that not only read and respond to the emails but also design the gauge as well.

I asked a couple of years back and the response was that getting tranny temperature for the D3 was not easy but that they had not given up trying.

I gather that retrieving tranny temperature would be one of those special programmed in parameters that the Scangauge II is in theory, capable of.

[Epic pooh]

Thanks bbyer, good idea, I'll do that ! I've tried a range of the ford cansf codes in the x-gauge mode but no success with those.

Happy with it otherwise - got it with a windscreen mount and it sits nicely under my phone mount next to the drivers side pillar - easily visible but does not obscure vision at all. Got the colour to be pretty much identical to the oem gauges.

[simmo1]

I wonder if anyone has had any luck here trying to read transmission temps, for either the 6 speed or 8 speed auto's?
Alan

[Ean Austral]

My hawkeye reads trans oil temp, I used it when changing the oil when I done the steel pan.


I haven't tried it whilst the car is moving but cant see why it wouldn't read it all the time. I am unsure what the oil temp would be at normal operating temperature, but it wouldn't be that hard to find.


Cheers Ean

[simmo1]

Mmmm given the previous posts here are you sure that you have transmission temp? Seems like so far no one has actually cracked the tranny temp. Are there any temp sensors in these things?
Alan

[Ean Austral]

Mmmm given the previous posts here are you sure that you have transmission temp? Seems like so far no one has actually cracked the tranny temp. Are there any temp sensors in these things?
Alan


Well I went out and plugged it in as I was sure it did, it also read a different temp to the water temp. My wife had come home about an hour before and the trans oil temp had risen to 60 when I got the car back in the garage.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/812.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130923930@N07/16841634271/in/photostream)




Cheers Ean

[discotwinturbo]

My hawkeye reads trans oil temp, I used it when changing the oil when I done the steel pan. I haven't tried it whilst the car is moving but cant see why it wouldn't read it all the time. I am unsure what the oil temp would be at normal operating temperature, but it wouldn't be that hard to find. Cheers Ean

Yep....it's reads the tranny temp on the fly.

Brett....

[AndyG]

A different approach, my TM4 reads directly from the engine and gear box metal, to get the temp, not the ODBII

[~Rich~]

Torque Pro with the Torque Scan plug in even on the basic scan brings up heaps of PID's almost too many to digest, let alone the full scan which would most likely fail as it would take hours to run.
The other issue is that the option of the Scan plugin to email the result does not work, the results are too long to scroll down and screenshot each view.

I have friends with Toyota FJ Cruisers who have entered a custom equation into Torque Pro to show Transmission temp.
It's a bugger we just need to find the PID required.
I havn't given up yet.

[justinc]

This is more to do with scangauge may be of interest to some?
I see between 65 and 85 city use in the work ute (2014 dmax) and towing 3t van can get to 105 and the coolant has been at 108...😮
The scangauge os a very useful bit of kit i find.


ScanGaugeII - Add-A-Gauge (http://www.scangauge.com.au/archive/support/xgauge.shtml)

Jc

[Graeme]

I have friends with Toyota FJ Cruisers who have entered a custom equation into Torque Pro to show Transmission temp.
It's a bugger we just need to find the PID required.From my OBDII research some time ago I suspect it would be the same PID,

[ozscott]

Glad you are getting use out of it Justin. They are great.

So towing a 2 tonn dual axle boat today with car full of peops and 31 degrees outside the 4.6 was 88-90 on the highway and 85-88 typically tooling around backstreets. Highest eas 91 for a couple of second laboring it up a long steep rise. Cooler than stock thermostat. Cheers

[justinc]

Glad you are getting use out of it Justin. They are great.

So towing a 2 tonn dual axle boat today with car full of peops and 31 degrees outside the 4.6 was 88-90 on the highway and 85-88 typically tooling around backstreets. Highest eas 91 for a couple of second laboring it up a long steep rise. Cooler than stock thermostat. Cheers

Very happy with it, so again thanks!☺

Jc

[LandyAndy]

How do you find the DMax Justin????.
We have one at work,4WD dualcab,MY14.
I dont like it,the auto sucks.Going up the hill out of Armadale with the cruise on it constantly shifts up and down,reving its guts out then upshifting,then downshifting.They bought me a secondhand 2011 Colarado 4wd manual dualcab with 17100ks on it,seems stronger than the DMax.
Im spoilt,my D4 holds 8th at 1200rpm on the same hill,occasionally shifts to 7th,it gets told 8th thankyou.
Andrew

[PeterJ]

Hi all, I have MY13 8 speed auto and I use IIDtool to read gearbox Temps (and lots of other data), was on the way home from Darwin towing 3.2t van at 100kph Temps were mid to high 90s depending on uphill down hill, ambient low 30s. Have got to 50k service next week, gear box ATF and filter change is scheduled $875. I am getting an oil sample, I will be interested to see how it has fared.

Regards
PeterJ
(Sent from the Note 4 using AULRO mobile app)

[justinc]

How do you find the DMax Justin????.
We have one at work,4WD dualcab,MY14.
I dont like it,the auto sucks.Going up the hill out of Armadale with the cruise on it constantly shifts up and down,reving its guts out then upshifting,then downshifting.They bought me a secondhand 2011 Colarado 4wd manual dualcab with 17100ks on it,seems stronger than the DMax.
Im spoilt,my D4 holds 8th at 1200rpm on the same hill,occasionally shifts to 7th,it gets told 8th thankyou.
Andrew

Those d4 are a benchmark for torque and driveability aren't they ��?!

I find exactly the opposite to your experience andy, and i have exactky the same vehicle as you drive. I'm very impressed with the auto to engine relationship actually. . The issue there is that you have a manual colon-rado vs an auto dmax. I never use cruise on long hills for that reason . It has less torque than the holden but if you compare both as autos then you wouldn't hesitate to go the isuzu as many not just me have done.

Plus i expect to have zero drivetrain issues with mine☺☺. It is also about to be remapped to around the 500Nm mark with the monstrous front mount IC i have fitted it should keep those egt's down. I'm currently unable to exceed 570 C upstream lugging it in 4th up steep hills held in 4th flat to the floor so hopefully remapping will see it still at a safe level...

Jc☺

[~Rich~]

From my OBDII research some time ago I suspect it would be the same PID,

Nope, unfortunately the PID is not the same.
Also checked a 4Runner PID which was different to no avail.
I'm still working on it.

[Graeme]

Not being a parameter for emission control its obviously not standard.

[blackdog1400]

From the Scangauge webpage




Discovery 4, 8 speed auto





Gauge
Auto Transmission Temperature ATF(1)


TXD
07E1225AE4


RXF
C462055A36E4


RXD
3008


MTH
00010001FFD8


Notes
*minimum firmware required version 4.22AU
*confirmed to be working on 2015 Discovery 4, 3L diesel, 8 speed auto

[Discodicky]

From the Scangauge webpage




Discovery 4, 8 speed auto




Gauge
Auto Transmission Temperature ATF(1)


TXD
07E1225AE4


RXF
C462055A36E4


RXD
3008


MTH
00010001FFD8


Notes
*minimum firmware required version 4.22AU
*confirmed to be working on 2015 Discovery 4, 3L diesel, 8 speed auto




I monitor auto oil temp, engine water, voltage and inlet air temp with my Scanguage 2.
Auto oil is usually 10-15 deg and sometimes 20 deg lower than the engine coolant temp.
For example today on a 120 klm drive it was high 60's and early 70's Celcius and Eng coolant temp varied between 83 deg going long downhills to 89 normal flat and pulling up hills.
Ambient temp today was 11 deg.

[Mike57]

I just had my ScanGauge upgraded to the latest firmware and those codes in the thread above work and I can now display the auto transmission temp. You need to input all the codes. The handbook that came with the gauge gives all the step by step instructions.